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In theory, again, in theory, when the inevitable long bomb comes in the taller forwards could find themselves manned up on a comparative shorty. Forward pressure is just playing percentages, assuming you don't win the initial contest - which is appropriate because you'll generally not win two thirds of your contests.

But if they do win those marks, forward pressure doesn't matter. It's the inverse of Melbourne's game plan where the talls always lose the contest so the smalls kick their goals.
 
People really need to be OK with Amiss biding his time in the 2nds.

I know we all love shiny new toys but at this stage it isn't holding him back to play at Peel, he's still growing into his body and will still be playing against defenders who are bigger than him
 

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Taylor said:
There will be a period of time where Amiss is too tall, too fast and too smart for the WAFL and simultaneously too slight for the AFL. Kicking five a game at Peel and then one or two a game at AFL.

But then he will break out.
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If Jye kicks 5 a game in the wafl he'll force someone out of the 1s. That's the best possible outcome.
 
FreoRicci said:
The melts once NOD is ruled out and Hughes plays wing neat to Henry.
Trade out Acres and Hughes is the replacement. Would be hilarious to see
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I don't get it, NOD clearly lacking match fitness, I expect him to miss round 1. I'm very happy at how the team is prepared for round 1, missing just one or two out of the whole squad is brilliant.

I'd be surprised to see Hughes make the cut, but I also trust our match selection committee know what they're doing.
 
mattis117 said:
I don't get it, NOD clearly lacking match fitness, I expect him to miss round 1. I'm very happy at how the team is prepared for round 1, missing just one or two out of the whole squad is brilliant.

I'd be surprised to see Hughes make the cut, but I also trust our match selection committee know what they're doing.
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We are playing the saints. Having a harder body out there against a weaker team that may resort to physical presence and contests over skill isn't a bad strategy

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Arcassius said:
We are playing the saints. Having a harder body out there against a weaker team that may resort to physical presence and contests over skill isn't a bad strategy

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stop it with the intelligence!

We are resorting back to our default dribbling illogical hyper-manic "it's Round 1 bay-bey" phase. No cooling off period now.....full one-eyed delirious non-rational mode....ENGAGED!!! :p:cool:
 
Round 1
B: Brandon Walker, Alex Pearce, Heath Chapman
HB: Nathan Wilson, Brennan Cox, Hayden Young
C: James Aish, Jaeger O'Meara, Jordan Clark
HF: Bailey Banfield, Matt Taberner, Sam Switkowski
F: Luke Jackson, Nat Fyfe, Lachie Schultz
Foll: Sean Darcy, Andrew Brayshaw, Caleb Serong
I/C: Will Brodie, Ethan Hughes, Josh Treacy, Liam Henry
EMERG: Sam Sturt, Matthew Johnson, Jye Amiss, Travis Colyer

Preferred
B: Brandon Walker, Alex Pearce, Luke Ryan
HB: Heath Chapman, Brennan Cox, Hayden Young
C: James Aish, Jaeger O'Meara, Nathan O'Driscoll
HF: Michael Frederik, Matt Taberner, Sam Switkowski
F: Luke Jackson, Nat Fyfe, Lachie Schultz
Foll: Sean Darcy, Andrew Brayshaw, Caleb Serong
I/C: Will Brodie, Nathan Wilson, Josh Treacy, Jordan Clark
EMERG: Liam Henry, Ethan Hughes, Sam Sturt, Bailey Banfield

So for mine there are a couple of players that people seem to rate I just can't, even after the practice matches. Henry is high on that list. So he is IC because he seems to have coaches on side and Frederik is missing. I just can't get on board with his low production.
Even though I don't think Clark is a winger he is a better bet on the wing than Wilson, Young or Chapman. I don't think that Hughes is a long term bet and I can't wait for NOD or Frederick to get back to fit because Hughes is first out if either of them are there.
Don't think Ryan make game 1 either.
I could be persuaded either way on Banfield vs Sturt. I rate Sturt's offence better than Banfield and the reverse as forward defence. Either way there is only room for one of them when Fyfe is fit. If Frederick is playing in the forward line then neither of them are in IMHO.
 
mayne iac said:
Have you watched Henry this pre season??
No low production.....There's only 1 reason he "seems" to be in favour with the coaches and that is due to his high work rate and high production.
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Yes. He was better in the preseason games. But it looked to me like his best was running of HB. Don't think he pushes out others there. Compared to Clark, Young, Chapman, Walker, Wilson yes his production is low. I might have him on the wing over Hughes but I would rather neither TBH.
 
wakojako said:
If Treacy isn't in round one than they will only play him when Tabbs/Fyfe gets injured. If he doesn't get consistent games this season than he is gone and we won't get s**t for him.
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People need to calm down about young developing forwards leaving the club.

both Treacy and amiss know that tabs and Fyfe are nearing the end and that their time will come if they keep working at it.

we’ll be doing well if tabs and fyfe play over 30 games out of 46 between them - the others will get a chance.
 
If Henry can match Acres 6 goals last season (Henry kicked 10 in 2021) the upgrade in his field kicking is going to be enormous. Eventually him and NOD on a wing each with 50 games under their belt would be exciting. I think we are hoping for around 40 goals from Fyfe which covers Lobb's output, that makes LJ the cream on top.
 

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Boppo said:
If Henry can match Acres 6 goals last season (Henry kicked 10 in 2021) the upgrade in his field kicking is going to be enormous. Eventually him and NOD on a wing each with 50 games under their belt would be exciting. I think we are hoping for around 40 goals from Fyfe which covers Lobb's output, that makes LJ the cream on top.
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I hate to play devils advocate but in 2022, Acres (contrary to public opinion) had a disposal efficiency of over 70%.

Posters on here. Many of them make out he was a massive ball burner when in fact it was quite the contrary. 71.8% to be precise.
 
King Huskii said:
I hate to play devils advocate but in 2022, Acres (contrary to public opinion) had a disposal efficiency of over 70%.

Posters on here. Many of them make out he was a massive ball burner when in fact it was quite the contrary. 71.8% to be precise.
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Maybe the stats say that but we can eyeball the difference between Henry's field kicking and that of Acres.
 
Boppo said:
If Henry can match Acres 6 goals last season (Henry kicked 10 in 2021) the upgrade in his field kicking is going to be enormous. Eventually him and NOD on a wing each with 50 games under their belt would be exciting. I think we are hoping for around 40 goals from Fyfe which covers Lobb's output, that makes LJ the cream on top.
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There's every chance Henry will upgrade our wing link up play from what it was last year. So far in the preseason, Henry's contested work isn't so shabby either. It's a different kind of contested work from Acres, but makes use of his strengths to win the ball to advantage.

If O'Driscoll can take his attacking game up a level, it'll make for some very dangerous feed into our forward line.
 
King Huskii said:
I hate to play devils advocate but in 2022, Acres (contrary to public opinion) had a disposal efficiency of over 70%.

Posters on here. Many of them make out he was a massive ball burner when in fact it was quite the contrary. 71.8% to be precise.
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Any kick longer than 40 metres that goes to a 50/50 contest is considered effective I believe.

That basically describes Acres game style.
 
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ilikepotatoes said:
Any luck longer than 40 metres that goes to a 50/50 contest is considered effective I believe.

That basically describes Acres gamestyle.
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Yep. flour bags into the 50 that travel more than 40m and give the defence plenty of to set up are counted as an effective kick. Hence Acres did quite well despite us all groaning that it was a wasted entry because Frederick was 15m in the clear.
 
Taylor said:
In theory, again, in theory, when the inevitable long bomb comes in the taller forwards could find themselves manned up on a comparative shorty. Forward pressure is just playing percentages, assuming you don't win the initial contest - which is appropriate because you'll generally not win two thirds of your contests.

But if they do win those marks, forward pressure doesn't matter. It's the inverse of Melbourne's game plan where the talls always lose the contest so the smalls kick their goals.
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If we are too tall we need to go to the long bomb. That's where our advantage lies. Taberner, Jackson and Fyfe will win that battle against most defenses.

Fyfe and Jackson do have ground ball skills but they have some things that defenders can expose too. Our best strategy is for them to be marking targets. That leaves one more spot for a kpf which will go to Taberner.

An additional kpf either has to work in a rotation or makes us too tall. Taberner can't rotate, so we need Fyfe/Jackson rotating. That's in addition to any forward time Darcy gets. Not sure what advantage a 4th tall may give us?

In addition, with a Jackson/Fyfe forward stoppage combination we should be looking using that as often as possible. Long bomb to the forward boundaries either marked or taken over the boundary line for a throw in kind of thing.

We may improve our entries but we are setting up for the long bomb.

Am I wrong?

(Taylor: not meant as a direct reply to your post)
 
King Huskii said:
I hate to play devils advocate but in 2022, Acres (contrary to public opinion) had a disposal efficiency of over 70%.

Posters on here. Many of them make out he was a massive ball burner when in fact it was quite the contrary. 71.8% to be precise.
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Kicks over 40m have to be marked by the opposition to not be treated as effective. Acres' big issue with his game is that he gets the ball then holds up play before kicking long down the line to a contest.

That's super effective for the stats.

If you kick is 40m+ and it goes to grass, effective. If it goes to hands and is dropped by the opposition, effective.
 
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Loopy kicks, yes, but fair dos: Acres also fast, good at out-bodying opponents (or 'accidentally' knocking into them) and ever capable of a longish on-the-run goal.

We definitely have ground to make up in his absence. It'll be done in different skill combos and after our pre-season I feel much more positive about this squad's capacity to replace him.
 
theGav56 said:
If we are too tall we need to go to the long bomb. That's where our advantage lies. Taberner, Jackson and Fyfe will win that battle against most defenses.

Fyfe and Jackson do have ground ball skills but they have some things that defenders can expose too. Our best strategy is for them to be marking targets. That leaves one more spot for a kpf which will go to Taberner.

An additional kpf either has to work in a rotation or makes us too tall. Taberner can't rotate, so we need Fyfe/Jackson rotating. That's in addition to any forward time Darcy gets. Not sure what advantage a 4th tall may give us?

In addition, with a Jackson/Fyfe forward stoppage combination we should be looking using that as often as possible. Long bomb to the forward boundaries either marked or taken over the boundary line for a throw in kind of thing.

We may improve our entries but we are setting up for the long bomb.

Am I wrong?

(Taylor: not meant as a direct reply to your post)
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If you went in with Fyfe, Jackson, Darcy and Tabs as your ruck and tall forwards, with our usual 4 smalls (Schultz, Switta, Freddie, Sonny), then given normal time on ground you would have 3 talls in the forward line less than half the time. Darcy and Jackson won’t do more than 80% time on ground, Fyfe and Tabs maybe 90%. That would give you 3 talls 40% of the time and 2 talls 60% of the time.

If you included Treacy or Amiss into the team and he did 80% game time and you dropped one of the 4 smalls, you would end up with 3 talls in the forward line 80% of the time and 4 talls 20% of the time.
 
just listening to the small Ross interview with Damo - no mention that he's up against his former club first up, would have liked to hear his insights on that. Unless it's just a sample bitesize?

I have nothing but respect for Ross - he was a strong ethic coach (initially), driven and focused and hardliner. Things you needed to have by design to get towards the business end of things. He's still very charismatic to listen to, quite the character. It was an amazing 4 year period he gave us, put us on the map and made us relevant to the footy world. But it fell apart after 2015 - 2016-2019 were 'dark ages', where we had to engage full blown rebuild too soon after being a finals contender. Those years were hard to endure, even when we blooded exciting new talent like Brayshaw, and dare I say, Cerra.....some have also departed, the ever-revolving door in the world of football keeps turning. We thank you Ross for those 4 great years, but it's been over for some time now. A case of so near, but yet so far.

But come Round 1, all sentiments need to be erased - we need to come over at Marvel, what will be your neck of the woods this time. You think you have unfinished business with them? Well fair enough - but we have unfinished business too, what you started but couldn't complete.....your time has come & gone, you're at the wrong end of the stick my friend. We had a fair degree of winning success at Marvel last year, we need to replicate it again and smash our old coach's mob into the ground....pummel them. Break them.

It's nothing personal, it's just a new wave dear Mr. Lyon. And you're not a part of it this time.

Freo need to get ruthless to win this one. Saints have had issues since Ross walked through the door, the cynic in me would suggest it's not a coincidence, but it probably just is. Sometimes you get the wink of the eye from lady luck, other times....you go home with a belly full of burps to watch TV through the after hours of loneliness.

Their problems are their own, for them to deal with. We can only deal with what's put out in front of us, and it's time to get ruthless....because it's the only way we'll push towards that maiden flag. And I think that we're hungry now, we're ready.

Be seeing you soon Rossie boy, see ya soon.... ;)
 

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