Movie Star Wars - Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker - Spoilers and Rumors

[glenferry23]

Really enjoyed Luke lifting his X-Wing out of the water, an obvious callback to TESB with Yoda's theme etc.

But from watching the OT, I always thought that force ghosts were just able to present. And not actually interact physically with their surroundings. TLJ took this to another level, with Yoda able to summon lighting from the clouds (which when you really think about it, would've been a handy skill to have against the First Order/Palpatine/other battles etc).

Anywa, it was still a great moment. I was wondering if even Yoda would have appeared at some point in this movie.

 

[manureid]

Also, was that the actor that played Wedge in the Falcon gunpit? Was a quick flash and was my first thought that it was him.

 

[SM]

Also, was that the actor that played Wedge in the Falcon gunpit? Was a quick flash and was my first thought that it was him.

Yeah was a bizarrely short cameo, didn't even have Lando respond with his name so that people knew it was him.

 

[manureid]

Yeah was a bizarrely short cameo, didn't even have Lando respond with his name so that people knew it was him.

Made me wonder if it was supposed to not be Wedge but more a cameo for the actor. But seemed odd.

 

[SM]

Made me wonder if it was supposed to not be Wedge but more a cameo for the actor. But seemed odd.

It was definitely Wedge, would be odd to use the actor in any other capacity, plus it was built up in the media beforehand. But just so short. And right after his 'son' (in the universe) dies moments before he arrives and nothing is made of it. Strange all round.

Like.. why not have Snap (the big guy who's always in JJ films) make some comment about "Dad's been retired a long time but I'll see if I can get him to suit up for one last fight" when all the Resistance are talking about having no allies, and have someone refer to Wedge by name in response, so that when Wedge turns up there's a bit of emotional impact.

 

[Moti]

Cannon is what is considered to be the "true" story usually made by the creators of said story. So for example, Episode 4 is the actual story, someone's fanfiction of what happened between 4 and 5 isn't. Originally, the cannon of Star Wars was the 6 movies, Clone Wars cartoon, thousands of other books, comics and video games endorsed by Lucas and LucasArts.

When Disney bought Star Wars they said "everything other than the movies and the cartoon shows are no longer cannon. They didn't happen. What we say now happens".

So the fighting styles I linked to you were cannon and legitimate before Disney but I am not sure if they are now.

The EU was never considered canon by Lucas, just Lucasfilm approved.


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[SM]

The EU was never considered canon by Lucas, just Lucasfilm approved.


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Eh I still don't believe that as much as people trot out this line. Lucas grabbed Coruscant out of the EU, he used Aayla Secura in Eps 2 and 3 out of the EU. He makes reference to "Master Vos" and planets and events previously established in EU material.

He absolutely plucked what he wanted out of it, but to say he never considered it canon or considered it as events that happened is, in my opinion, false.

He disregarded what he didn't like, but he still leant on a lot of it. And that's not even getting into TCW which originally existed in the old EU..

 

[manureid]

It was definitely Wedge, would be odd to use the actor in any other capacity, plus it was built up in the media beforehand. But just so short. And right after his 'son' (in the universe) dies moments before he arrives and nothing is made of it. Strange all round.

Like.. why not have Snap (the big guy who's always in JJ films) make some comment about "Dad's been retired a long time but I'll see if I can get him to suit up for one last fight" when all the Resistance are talking about having no allies, and have someone refer to Wedge by name in response, so that when Wedge turns up there's a bit of emotional impact.

Maybe in the directors cut.

 

[Moti]

TLJ has 43% audience score on Rotten Tomato
ROS has 86%

I think you are looking at the wrong numbers

Different way the scores were calculated. TLJ was not verified, all since May 2019 are verified as people seeing the film. Happened due to Capt Marvel trolling and questions over TLJ numbers among a few other films.


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[glenferry23]

It was definitely Wedge, would be odd to use the actor in any other capacity, plus it was built up in the media beforehand. But just so short. And right after his 'son' (in the universe) dies moments before he arrives and nothing is made of it. Strange all round.

Like.. why not have Snap (the big guy who's always in JJ films) make some comment about "Dad's been retired a long time but I'll see if I can get him to suit up for one last fight" when all the Resistance are talking about having no allies, and have someone refer to Wedge by name in response, so that when Wedge turns up there's a bit of emotional impact.

Genuinely didn't know this. Wedge had a son? Yep, know that you explain it that way it is odd they a) didnt mention Wedge by name (I thought it was an Anthony Daniels cameo when I first saw him!) and then b) have no mention/acknowledgment that his son just died in the battle.

Maybe Disney will flog another comic to fill in the blanks

 

[SM]

Genuinely didn't know this. Wedge had a son? Yep, know that you explain it that way it is odd they a) didnt mention Wedge by name (I thought it was an Anthony Daniels cameo when I first saw him!) and then b) have no mention/acknowledgment that his son just died in the battle.

Maybe Disney will flog another comic to fill in the blanks

It's not technically his son, it's the kid from the Aftermath books, his father is a brainwashed Imperial spy in the second book who dies, and Wedge marries his mum. They clash a lot, but in the book set between VIII and IX Snap finally calls Wedge "Dad" and it's a hugely emotional moment for Wedge.

So having his son die mere months later would be a crazily emotional moment which.. means nothing to 99% of people watching the film. To the point where what was the point of including it?

 

[King Elvis]

Holy shit, that was Wedge?!

 

[glenferry23]

It's not technically his son, it's the kid from the Aftermath books, his father is a brainwashed Imperial spy in the second book who dies, and Wedge marries his mum. They clash a lot, but in the book set between VIII and IX Snap finally calls Wedge "Dad" and it's a hugely emotional moment for Wedge.

So having his son die mere months later would be a crazily emotional moment which.. means nothing to 99% of people watching the film. To the point where what was the point of including it?

Very valid point. Seems it was worthy of at least a further mention.

Even at a minimum to reference Wedge by name. Ideally from Lando, given their leadership/involvement of the Death Star 2 battle. Opportunity missed here.

 

[Royces Hart]

Very valid point. Seems it was worthy of at least a further mention.

Even at a minimum to reference Wedge by name. Ideally from Lando, given their leadership/involvement of the Death Star 2 battle. Opportunity missed here.

It just felt silly to go to all the trouble of getting him back, then giving him 1.5 seconds of screen time.

It’s not as if he’s that well known that people will recognise him 40 years later, so at least reference him by name to give people a heads up. Dropping him in like an Easter egg feels like fan service. Having him come and join the resistance in some meaningful form seems far more realistic, given his experience, and then doesn’t feel shoe horned.

 

[glenferry23]

It just felt silly to go to all the trouble of getting him back, then giving him 1.5 seconds of screen time.

It’s not as if he’s that well known that people will recognise him 40 years later, so at least reference him by name to give people a heads up. Dropping him in like an Easter egg feels like fan service. Having him come and join the resistance in some meaningful form seems far more realistic, given his experience, and then doesn’t feel shoe horned.

Yep, spot on. I only knew it was Wedge by reading this thread a few days ago.

At the time watching it live, I actually thought they'd given Anthony Daniels an onscreen cameo, perhaps as a tribute etc to his 40+ year involvement in Star Wars. Was surprised to hear it was actually Wedge, it deserved more recognition than that.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Yep, spot on. I only knew it was Wedge by reading this thread a few days ago.

At the time watching it live, I actually thought they'd given Anthony Daniels an onscreen cameo, perhaps as a tribute etc to his 40+ year involvement in Star Wars. Was surprised to hear it was actually Wedge, it deserved more recognition than that.

Watching it live?

 

[glenferry23]

Watching it live?

Watching it in the cinema, when it happened I didn't know it was Wedge. Until I read about it here.

 

[Royces Hart]

Watching it in the cinema, when it happened I didn't know it was Wedge. Until I read about it here.

So, what you are saying is that you weren’t there at Exogol, watching the battle live?

 

[glenferry23]

So, what you are saying is that you weren’t there at Exogol, watching the battle live?

I was one of those minions chanting in the stands in Palpatine's hideout. Had a great view of the battle above, but still couldn't tell it was Wedge.

 

[edgie]

TLJ has 43% audience score on Rotten Tomato
ROS has 86%

I think you are looking at the wrong numbers

Critics on RT, not the audience.


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[edgie]

I too thought it was Anthony Daniels.

I also think John Williams is in it, as a bartender on Kijimi?


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[STFU Donnie]

Rey being a Palp doesn't bother me at all in the slightest and helps establish her rapid growth in the force but I would have liked it to also have been her downfall either into the darkside which would have been a nice episode 8 heel turn of some sorts or ultimately her death. Like a candle burning too bright or like Carl Carlson in Eurkea Episode 5.

What, this dude?

 

[Exe Gesis]

opening weekend nunbers

TROS 250m
TLJ 318m
TFA 350+m

 

[Janus]

opening weekend nunbers

TROS 250m
TLJ 318m
TFA 350+m

Ouch.

It’s not going to improve either, with it getting a B- rating on Cinescore.

The people who love it will have to see it multiple times.

 

[HahnPremium]

Still think the ST should have been set maybe 100 years or so after the OT.
You could still hark back to the old lore and have force ghosts etc but have a new setting, a new scenario and new characters which are the focus.
The mish-mash conservative line Disney went was a half-arsed bit of both effort. Obviously they didnt want to alienate fans by dismissing beloved characters altogether but with flashbacks, stories of the old lore echoed or envisioned by new characters would have been more daring in trying to take the franchise in a different direction.