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Damon Lindelof reportedly walking away from writing a Star Wars movie, but the director is still attached and it's apparently still going ahead. Lucasfilm can't take a trick when it comes to cinema.
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That's a shame, DL has a good body of work.
I think in the last 4 years with the MCU, and the direction of Mandalorian - Disney are prioritising $ over substance and laughing all the way to the bank. Andor the outlier which was top shelf was but nothing groundbreaking. Just higher quality than the escapist fantasy which Star Wars is.
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I'd say Andor was relatively groundbreaking but I suppose that depends on your definition. Having such an overtly anti-fascist show is a pretty big thing even in this day and age.
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I’d say the fact they have been sitting on the films for four years, with another two to four likely, suggests they are worried about substance. In the context that it makes them more $, of course.
I used to think a way to play it safe for them would be to do a set of movies that crossover the Reyverse and Mandoverse.
Rey, Jedi Finn, Grogu, Mando, Thrawn etc team of Republic/Empire/Mandalorians against the Grysk.
Space battles, lightsaber battles, fan service, but something different from a rehashed OT.
But now I'm starting to think even that wouldn't work, not if people get Mando fatigue which could happen.
Rey, Jedi Finn, Grogu, Mando, Thrawn etc team of Republic/Empire/Mandalorians against the Grysk.
Space battles, lightsaber battles, fan service, but something different from a rehashed OT.
But now I'm starting to think even that wouldn't work, not if people get Mando fatigue which could happen.
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Which is a very good thing. Less is more. When they were talking a movie a year it really threatened what makes Star Wars in the cinema so special.
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Could? It's happened.
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Those last two bad batch episodes are great… such a shame the show goes through so many ups and downs
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Loved the Bad Batch finale. Felt like ESB.
Throwing this out there. I've always thought that ROTJ is the worst movie in the entire SW catalogue...umming and uhhing a bit when I compare it to Rise of Skywalker, but for me it's ROTJ's fault in part that ROS even existed. ROTJ's story is badly written - you have two completely separate hour long episodes bridged by an old guy sitting on a log chatting mostly about other irrelevant topics, plus they left us with a legacy where writers since the EU have had to consider this canon when creating their own expanded stories. So - in a parallel universe where all things are possible and they gave me the keys to SW, here's what I would have done to ROTJ:
Tatooine, rescuing Solo. Luke walks in with his saber (the first thing you'd ask if some guy walks into your house...ok, maybe the second thing...if he says he's a Jedi, is "where's your saber?"), and immediately Boba Fett is on the phone to Vader. For the purposes of show don't tell, it could be revealed later that BF does this - they spent the entire movie in TESB covering Vader's relentless search for his son, it's what BF was hired for, and all of a sudden he shows up in his lap - ROTJ inexplicably throws all this out the window). Luke still ends up with the rancor, we all love and can't lose that sequence, except this time he loses his saber and it ends up in Jabba's hands. Boba at this point is trying to convince Jabba to hand Luke over to the Imps, but Jabba's too pissed off about his rancor, so off to the pit they go. Luke causes havoc on the sail barge, especially when R2 steals the saber and flings it over to Luke, and Boba sees he'll need to prolong the fight, because he's called the imps and the only thing they have available in that short time is the local garrison which is on its way and Luke might escape in the meantime. So we get the big boss battle between the Mandalorian super soldier and the Jedi as it should have been...insane amounts of ordnance and force powers meeting head on, neither besting the other but carnage everywhere and Luke being stalled. At that moment, a squadron of Imp Landspeeder Battle Cruisers (insert Kenner toy commercial here) arrives, shoots the crap out of the bad guys, and circles Luke with every cannon aimed squarely at him, just like the end of Last Jedi. Knowing he can't escape, he surrenders, but not before sending a thought bubble to Leia saying "go, I'll be ok"...the Imps make no effort stopping them from escaping, because the commander knows what would happen if he let Luke escape...he's shitting himself at this stage! Job done, and a second big bounty in the mail, Boba flies off into the sunset, reputation as the galaxy's best bounty hunter intact, thereby eliminating the Book Of Boba Fett and possibly the Mandalorian and Bad Batch from future existence (losing the second two would be a shame). Jabba would need to be dead, because you would imagine he'd put a mark on Boba's head for ratting him out - maybe Boba shoots him dead as he leaves...! The rebels run off to the fleet, and Luke is brought directly to the Emperor who is on board either the Executor or, one-upping Vader because he's the boss, the Super Duper Mega Executor...or even the Executive...insert Kenner toy commercial here. No Death Star II, Dagobah visit, Endor or Ewoks.
The mission now for the rebels is not destroying the DSII - it's rescuing the single most important member of the Rebellion. Lose Luke, the Rebellion dies, especially if he becomes another Vader (piss off with the Rule of Two, it's stupid). Maybe take out a good chunk of the Imperial Navy while they're at it. No visit to Yoda - instead, Yoda feels Endgame-level trouble brewing through the Force, and realises the only way he can help Luke from far away is to become part of the Living Force, so he lets himself die. This would tie in with Qui-Gonn's various comments, and also is what happens in ROS, when all the dead Jedi pool resources at the end. The Rebels send in their infiltration/sabotage and extraction unit which included Solo, Leia and Chewie (playing the role of a Wookie prisoner yet again, but growing a moustache because he's on wanted posters everywhere...it's either that or dress him up like a stormtrooper...), and get the fleet ready. Luke, Vader and the Emperor do most of what they did in ROTJ. I'm not a fan of Luke & Leia as siblings, so I'd happily pretend it never existed, but if Vader was to get his radar properly tuned, he'd realise Luke and Leia are siblings, and then taunt Luke with it. You'd think a second huge revelation - "you gotta be f###ing kidding me...Obi-Wan...?!?...double noooooooo!!!!!" - would send Luke right over the edge, and we'd get that rage sequence at the end that the Emperor was trying to egg him on for. Outside, just like the Solo movie where they release the Wookies, here they release them, Togorians, Trandoshans, and any other big slave species you can think of (and hell, why not a bunch of heavily armed Ewoks and Ugnaughts), utter carnage as the Rebels and revolters fight the Imps. Insert Kenner toy commercial here. Luke and Vader, as in the movie, escape with the help of the dead Jedi or at least a timely bit of wisdom (the Emperor, who is probably unaware of Qui-Gon's ability that he's been showing other Jedi, could get a real shock when he sees Jedi who are supposed to be dead standing in front of him). Luke, Leia, Solo, Chewbacca, the droids and Vader all make it to the shuttle, just as the Rebel fleet start pounding the Imperial Navy. The conversation between Leia and Vader would be really interesting whichever way, sibling or otherwise, you went. Luke would also have some choice words to fling at Obi Wan...!
We know GL was limited by what he had to work with in 1981-83, one result being Ewoks instead of a Wookie planet, but the movie also suffered by what was going on in most movies of the era. Watch any Bond movie or hit tv show of the time...slapstick action sequences, villains beaten by their own stupidity, heroes winning through dumb luck...it's why we remade most of them. The notion of the competent anti-hero was still way off too, with Clint Eastwood's Unforgiven in 1992 giving us one of cinema's first real examples, so an Andor type wasn't in the works. GL was very good guys and bad guys with his approach to SW. So for me, the improvement would be in the story telling, which was pretty ordinary in ROTJ, and a bit of hindsight-enabled visual fx and future story tie-ins...
Tatooine, rescuing Solo. Luke walks in with his saber (the first thing you'd ask if some guy walks into your house...ok, maybe the second thing...if he says he's a Jedi, is "where's your saber?"), and immediately Boba Fett is on the phone to Vader. For the purposes of show don't tell, it could be revealed later that BF does this - they spent the entire movie in TESB covering Vader's relentless search for his son, it's what BF was hired for, and all of a sudden he shows up in his lap - ROTJ inexplicably throws all this out the window). Luke still ends up with the rancor, we all love and can't lose that sequence, except this time he loses his saber and it ends up in Jabba's hands. Boba at this point is trying to convince Jabba to hand Luke over to the Imps, but Jabba's too pissed off about his rancor, so off to the pit they go. Luke causes havoc on the sail barge, especially when R2 steals the saber and flings it over to Luke, and Boba sees he'll need to prolong the fight, because he's called the imps and the only thing they have available in that short time is the local garrison which is on its way and Luke might escape in the meantime. So we get the big boss battle between the Mandalorian super soldier and the Jedi as it should have been...insane amounts of ordnance and force powers meeting head on, neither besting the other but carnage everywhere and Luke being stalled. At that moment, a squadron of Imp Landspeeder Battle Cruisers (insert Kenner toy commercial here) arrives, shoots the crap out of the bad guys, and circles Luke with every cannon aimed squarely at him, just like the end of Last Jedi. Knowing he can't escape, he surrenders, but not before sending a thought bubble to Leia saying "go, I'll be ok"...the Imps make no effort stopping them from escaping, because the commander knows what would happen if he let Luke escape...he's shitting himself at this stage! Job done, and a second big bounty in the mail, Boba flies off into the sunset, reputation as the galaxy's best bounty hunter intact, thereby eliminating the Book Of Boba Fett and possibly the Mandalorian and Bad Batch from future existence (losing the second two would be a shame). Jabba would need to be dead, because you would imagine he'd put a mark on Boba's head for ratting him out - maybe Boba shoots him dead as he leaves...! The rebels run off to the fleet, and Luke is brought directly to the Emperor who is on board either the Executor or, one-upping Vader because he's the boss, the Super Duper Mega Executor...or even the Executive...insert Kenner toy commercial here. No Death Star II, Dagobah visit, Endor or Ewoks.
The mission now for the rebels is not destroying the DSII - it's rescuing the single most important member of the Rebellion. Lose Luke, the Rebellion dies, especially if he becomes another Vader (piss off with the Rule of Two, it's stupid). Maybe take out a good chunk of the Imperial Navy while they're at it. No visit to Yoda - instead, Yoda feels Endgame-level trouble brewing through the Force, and realises the only way he can help Luke from far away is to become part of the Living Force, so he lets himself die. This would tie in with Qui-Gonn's various comments, and also is what happens in ROS, when all the dead Jedi pool resources at the end. The Rebels send in their infiltration/sabotage and extraction unit which included Solo, Leia and Chewie (playing the role of a Wookie prisoner yet again, but growing a moustache because he's on wanted posters everywhere...it's either that or dress him up like a stormtrooper...), and get the fleet ready. Luke, Vader and the Emperor do most of what they did in ROTJ. I'm not a fan of Luke & Leia as siblings, so I'd happily pretend it never existed, but if Vader was to get his radar properly tuned, he'd realise Luke and Leia are siblings, and then taunt Luke with it. You'd think a second huge revelation - "you gotta be f###ing kidding me...Obi-Wan...?!?...double noooooooo!!!!!" - would send Luke right over the edge, and we'd get that rage sequence at the end that the Emperor was trying to egg him on for. Outside, just like the Solo movie where they release the Wookies, here they release them, Togorians, Trandoshans, and any other big slave species you can think of (and hell, why not a bunch of heavily armed Ewoks and Ugnaughts), utter carnage as the Rebels and revolters fight the Imps. Insert Kenner toy commercial here. Luke and Vader, as in the movie, escape with the help of the dead Jedi or at least a timely bit of wisdom (the Emperor, who is probably unaware of Qui-Gon's ability that he's been showing other Jedi, could get a real shock when he sees Jedi who are supposed to be dead standing in front of him). Luke, Leia, Solo, Chewbacca, the droids and Vader all make it to the shuttle, just as the Rebel fleet start pounding the Imperial Navy. The conversation between Leia and Vader would be really interesting whichever way, sibling or otherwise, you went. Luke would also have some choice words to fling at Obi Wan...!
We know GL was limited by what he had to work with in 1981-83, one result being Ewoks instead of a Wookie planet, but the movie also suffered by what was going on in most movies of the era. Watch any Bond movie or hit tv show of the time...slapstick action sequences, villains beaten by their own stupidity, heroes winning through dumb luck...it's why we remade most of them. The notion of the competent anti-hero was still way off too, with Clint Eastwood's Unforgiven in 1992 giving us one of cinema's first real examples, so an Andor type wasn't in the works. GL was very good guys and bad guys with his approach to SW. So for me, the improvement would be in the story telling, which was pretty ordinary in ROTJ, and a bit of hindsight-enabled visual fx and future story tie-ins...
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To be fair wasn’t Boba Fett and the other bounty hunters tasked with finding the Falcon? It wasn’t to necessarily find Luke. For all we know Boba may have only heard about Luke when overhearing Vader telling Lando to reset the carbon chamber for Skywalker etc.
”There will be a substantial reward for the one who finds the millennium falcon”
”There will be a substantial reward for the one who finds the millennium falcon”
True. But we also know that Vader had a fairly strong rapport with Fett - once the Bespin trap failed, Fett would surely have had his brief updated. It was only a contract to locate the Falcon after they saw it blast off from Hoth and no doubt ID'd it as they chased it through the asteroids - knowing this, Vader's plan was to use the Force as a lure with bait, so at that stage he didn't need bounty hunters to locate Luke. And if Fett didn't get the update, he'd also realise that Luke standing there right in front of him was worth a quick call to Vader...
It’s a solid theory, yes. However it’s also relying on a lot of extrapolation from things that may or may not have been said or shown on screen. He was hired for a job. Did it. And then moved to his next contract of delivering Solo to Jabba. The life of a contract bounty hunter I guess.
FWIW I too have issues with ROTJ. This one doesn’t really matter for me however.
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I think you're extrapolating a lot to create a plot hole that didn't actually exist.
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Hard disagree on ROTJ being the worst, in fact I think it sometimes gets unfairly maligned because of the Ewoks. The rescue of Han is thrilling and fun, Luke's Jedi arc entertaining and it has one of the most satisfying conclusions of any movie series, with three separate action pieces dovetailing into each other. Lando driving the Falcon out of the flames is still a goosebump moment.
I have it clearly ahead of TROS, all three prequels and probably TFA as well.
I have it clearly ahead of TROS, all three prequels and probably TFA as well.
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Didn't exist?!? The biggest plot hole in the entire movie is the complete detachment from the chase that made up the entirety of Empire. You're blind if you can't see that. Vader had an obsession - the word used in the crawl - with finding Luke, and in ROTJ it was just gone as though it didn't matter anymore. And then, the most dangerous bounty hunter in the galaxy - GL's intention for the character - is hanging out in his boss's living room way out in the Outer Rim, and out of the blue the very guy his client - aka Universe Boss's Right Hand Man - has just paid him to be a significant part of the capture of, has just walked in through the front door unarmed...and Boba does nothing...seriously...?
It's. F###ing. Stupid.
It's completely obvious that Vader has previous dealings with Fett - "no disintegrations" - and a healthy respect, allowing him to backchat in the cf chamber while giving noone else an inch throughout three movies. He would have been all over Skywalker from the very first second if the story had taken an ounce of care with its continuity and characterisation...
Don't know if you guys are old enough, but I recall reviews after the movie came out also criticising the plot. Many thought it should have been two movies. But once the late 1980's, the lowest period of SW interest ever, was over and we were all suddenly into Heir To The Empire, and then excited to hear there would be prequels, the criticism just disappeared...ROTJ, a rare example of a movie that succeeded wildy despite mediocrity...
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Vader only wanted the Falcon to set the trap for Luke at cloud city where he had his chance to turn Luke and failed so there was no reason to chase the Falcon anymore.
His attention then was focused on the new Death Star by order of the Emporer.
He explained to Vader that Luke would come to him on his own accord so pursuing him further was unnecessary.
How did you miss that?
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Yeah ok.
Boba Fett wasn't privy to that conversation. He's sitting in a room filled with traps and dungeons and a guy he knows he can make a buck off walks right over to the trapdoor.
And at which point do any of the Sith blindly do what their master tells them...?
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You do know there's a year between the movies right?
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For real dude? Boba Fett has no authority in Jabba’s palace, he’s just another guy who was first to get the job done. The Hutt’s are gangsters, not politicians.
Boba is a rouge.
They came to the culmination of the deal and that was that. Because he’s still there enjoying the luxuries of a gangsters paradise makes it even clearer that he’s living it up as a special guest resting on his laurels.
Boba Fett doesn’t GAF about Luke Skywalker by then. He was paid squillions just for delivering Solo.
Oh dear. Do you not understand the hold Palpatine had over Vader?
It’s kinda the arc of Anakin Skywalker’s life story and the main reason for the tale from the beginning.
It's a reimagination, bud. Do you understand that?
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A year. It's always been a year.
