State of umpiring
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The funny thing is that the damage they are doing with that statement is hilarious.
Even their media lackeys are calling them out on their bullshit.
She is clearly out of her depth. Someone that knows what they are doing would have read the room and admitted that the umpire made an error.
Instead she goes to the book of dumb explanations and rolls them all out in one statement.
I’m not even angry with it anymore. It’s actual made me laugh how much of a cluster**** the competition has become.
Maybe we can decide games by fan poll and save the players the effort of playing the game?
Even their media lackeys are calling them out on their bullshit.
She is clearly out of her depth. Someone that knows what they are doing would have read the room and admitted that the umpire made an error.
Instead she goes to the book of dumb explanations and rolls them all out in one statement.
I’m not even angry with it anymore. It’s actual made me laugh how much of a cluster**** the competition has become.
Maybe we can decide games by fan poll and save the players the effort of playing the game?
The non 50 call I understand. The touched goal is BS. You can see it was clearly touched. Baileys finger bends back as the ball goes past. Black and white. We could see it at the ground 30 seconds before the ball was balled up again in the middle of the ground
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Robbo: The state of AFL umpiring is the worst I’ve seen
Mark Robinson
Footy used to be decided by skill. It’s now being decided by interpretation and missed calls.
The decision not to pay a 50m penalty to North Melbourne’s Bailey Scott was the worst decision of the season. It polluted a cracking game of Australian Rules, one which should be talked about for being pure, thrilling and high-scoring, but instead the commentary surrounds a series of mysterious non-calls that decided the result.
In nearly 30 years of covering footy, the umpiring has never been more in disarray.
It’s not in anyone’s best interests to bash the umpires because, well, they’re just doing their best. But as BT likes to say, boy oh boy, wowee.
It’s not all their fault, mind you.
The game is frantic and complicated; the players are deft and sneaky with illegal ball distribution; the holding the ball interpretation was changed mid-season; the mass congregation of players around the ball means umpires are often blindsided; and, in some cases, the umpires are too scared to blow the whistle for fear of making a mistake.
The umpires will deny that last one. But how else can you explain the series of missed free kicks in the final minute of the North Melbourne-Collingwood game?
The non-penalty against Steele Sidebottom and Beau McCreery was outrageous. There’s too much at stake to simply say a mistake was made.
Why wasn’t it paid? The controlling umpire missed it, but what about the other three umpires? Couldn’t one of them have taken control? Or did they all freeze as well?
On Friday night, St Kilda’s Marcus Windhager was penalised 50m for running from behind the play to stand the mark. And we’ve seen other players put a big toe over the mark this season and be penalised and waved back 50m.
But on Sunday, the two Collingwood blokes lost their heads and charged over the mark at Scott. They were confused and Scott was confused. And so, too, were the umpires.
The Nick Daicos missed call was half-understandable. He was tackled – who knows if he had prior opportunity – he tried to handball. The ball fell out. Play-on was called.
The Isaac Quaynor missed call was clearly wrong. Because the game has allowed players – over many years – to squirt the ball over their left and right shoulders, by swinging in unison the cradled hand with the clenched fist, it’s almost impossible to determine if the ball is thrown or a handballed.
The umpire assumed Quaynor handballed it. In real time, it looked iffy. The replay showed it was a throw.
All up, it was two certain free kicks and one maybe in 40 seconds of craziness.
No one with footy in their soul can believe that to be acceptable.
But that’s footy, you say. Yeah, it is. But the impact on games seems more profound.
The week before, Elliot Yeo was penalised for holding the ball. The AFL ticked it off. That was disgraceful as well. And not because it was in the moment, when the game was still being decided, but because the very essence of winning the ball was challenged because the AFL changed the interpretation.
“I don’t know what to say to Elliott – ‘don’t win the ball like that?’,’’ Eagles coach Adam Simpson said at the time.
Yeo was furious in his endeavours to win the ball, having laid a tackle previously, and after gathering the ball on his knees and being tackled immediately, he was penalised.
He didn’t drag it in or under; he simply took the ball in his hands.
Yet Quaynor played hot-potato with the ball and was not penalised.
The congestion piece can’t be dismissed. Collingwood loves to play stacks-on-the-mill at the death, and other teams have joined that parade.
Countless free kicks are ignored when that happens. As players throw themselves at the contest, players are manhandled without possession and are pushed in the back and laid on.
The whistle seemingly is put away in those times. It happened again on Sunday.
That we’re talking about umpires and not drugs or racism, or other distasteful matters, wouldn’t disappoint AFL headquarters.
The AFL has a problem with the umpiring of the game and there’s layers of blame.
Let’s not ignore it.
Mark Robinson
Footy used to be decided by skill. It’s now being decided by interpretation and missed calls.
The decision not to pay a 50m penalty to North Melbourne’s Bailey Scott was the worst decision of the season. It polluted a cracking game of Australian Rules, one which should be talked about for being pure, thrilling and high-scoring, but instead the commentary surrounds a series of mysterious non-calls that decided the result.
In nearly 30 years of covering footy, the umpiring has never been more in disarray.
It’s not in anyone’s best interests to bash the umpires because, well, they’re just doing their best. But as BT likes to say, boy oh boy, wowee.
It’s not all their fault, mind you.
The game is frantic and complicated; the players are deft and sneaky with illegal ball distribution; the holding the ball interpretation was changed mid-season; the mass congregation of players around the ball means umpires are often blindsided; and, in some cases, the umpires are too scared to blow the whistle for fear of making a mistake.
The umpires will deny that last one. But how else can you explain the series of missed free kicks in the final minute of the North Melbourne-Collingwood game?
The non-penalty against Steele Sidebottom and Beau McCreery was outrageous. There’s too much at stake to simply say a mistake was made.
Why wasn’t it paid? The controlling umpire missed it, but what about the other three umpires? Couldn’t one of them have taken control? Or did they all freeze as well?
On Friday night, St Kilda’s Marcus Windhager was penalised 50m for running from behind the play to stand the mark. And we’ve seen other players put a big toe over the mark this season and be penalised and waved back 50m.
But on Sunday, the two Collingwood blokes lost their heads and charged over the mark at Scott. They were confused and Scott was confused. And so, too, were the umpires.
The Nick Daicos missed call was half-understandable. He was tackled – who knows if he had prior opportunity – he tried to handball. The ball fell out. Play-on was called.
The Isaac Quaynor missed call was clearly wrong. Because the game has allowed players – over many years – to squirt the ball over their left and right shoulders, by swinging in unison the cradled hand with the clenched fist, it’s almost impossible to determine if the ball is thrown or a handballed.
The umpire assumed Quaynor handballed it. In real time, it looked iffy. The replay showed it was a throw.
All up, it was two certain free kicks and one maybe in 40 seconds of craziness.
No one with footy in their soul can believe that to be acceptable.
But that’s footy, you say. Yeah, it is. But the impact on games seems more profound.
The week before, Elliot Yeo was penalised for holding the ball. The AFL ticked it off. That was disgraceful as well. And not because it was in the moment, when the game was still being decided, but because the very essence of winning the ball was challenged because the AFL changed the interpretation.
“I don’t know what to say to Elliott – ‘don’t win the ball like that?’,’’ Eagles coach Adam Simpson said at the time.
Yeo was furious in his endeavours to win the ball, having laid a tackle previously, and after gathering the ball on his knees and being tackled immediately, he was penalised.
He didn’t drag it in or under; he simply took the ball in his hands.
Yet Quaynor played hot-potato with the ball and was not penalised.
The congestion piece can’t be dismissed. Collingwood loves to play stacks-on-the-mill at the death, and other teams have joined that parade.
Countless free kicks are ignored when that happens. As players throw themselves at the contest, players are manhandled without possession and are pushed in the back and laid on.
The whistle seemingly is put away in those times. It happened again on Sunday.
That we’re talking about umpires and not drugs or racism, or other distasteful matters, wouldn’t disappoint AFL headquarters.
That the crowds are up and television ratings are rocketing are always the stock answers to the many criticisms of the game. But this time it seems different.The AFL has a problem with the umpiring of the game and there’s layers of blame.
Let’s not ignore it.
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Robbo is spot on.
It's not just the other clubs, the fans are noticing it too, and not just us on the receiving end. If Nick Daicos dropped his strides and said bend over, 95% of the umpires would oblige.
There's your answer why it wasn't overturned....
Even a simpleton like Robbo has finally given up defending the AFL.
The more they try to defend the indefensible, the more people are starting to question the integrity of the competition.
It’s clear that betting should be suspended on the AFL as there are major question marks over the results of games and evidence to say games are being manipulated in favour of AFL profits.
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When does the external investigation start?
Gil McLachlan the new CEO of Tabcorp has been appointed to run an independent inquiry.
That statement from the AFL is beyond a joke.
Virtually every week since the stand rule was implemented, players have had 50 metre penalties against them for anticipating a “play on” call.
Now they expect us to forget that just so they can protect the umpires after they have made a clear mistake.
I wanted Laura to succeed but she’s lost me now. That statement was so dishonest I don’t think I can ever trust her again.
Virtually every week since the stand rule was implemented, players have had 50 metre penalties against them for anticipating a “play on” call.
Now they expect us to forget that just so they can protect the umpires after they have made a clear mistake.
I wanted Laura to succeed but she’s lost me now. That statement was so dishonest I don’t think I can ever trust her again.
All I took from her statement is that they probably sent an apology to Collingwood for inconveniencing them with the rules of the game and will do better by implementing the interpretations of Collingwood players.
It’s just ****ing bizarre that she tried to twist her bullshit in a way to make out that Scott should have been made to play on and the Collingwood players were totally vindicated in running over the mark.
It’s just ****ing bizarre that she tried to twist her bullshit in a way to make out that Scott should have been made to play on and the Collingwood players were totally vindicated in running over the mark.
She’s an incompetent gimp.
It like trusting a pyromanic with a 44 gallon drum of petrol and a box of matches in your home and expecting to come home to anything but fire engines.
She was never the right appointment and she clearly has no idea about the game. She’s nothing more than a glorified lawyer that has watched a few footy games.
It’s a shop manager telling a lie to the customer in order to protect her staff.
You might get away with that if you are running a Maccas Drive Through, but it’s definitely not on here.
It’s just so bad that I think she needs to go.
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That the AFL would lie and gaslight it to try and deflect from their failure to award the 50m penalty is disgusting. Simply put, he marked the ball, it was whistled a mark, there was no umpire call to play on and then not 1 but 2 pies players charge into the protected area and nothing. Every other time ever that is as straight forward a decision as you are going to get for 50m but not when it was collingwood needing help to get them across the line.
Imagine what the call would have been had those 2 players tackled scott..i'll bet the pies would have got a free for htb the umpires were that one sided
Imagine what the call would have been had those 2 players tackled scott..i'll bet the pies would have got a free for htb the umpires were that one sided
I worked in corporate enterprises for years managing major IT incidents and emergency situations. Often explanations had to be provided to regulators, to industry partners or major clients so professional PR types would take the facts from myself or my team to create a narrative. In almost every instance, when I read their spin I couldn't reconcile their bullsh!t with the facts that were provided. It usually got worse when lawyers re-wrote the messages. I always had a full and thorough comprehension of the number one rule, which was to never admit liability, but there were times I had to bang the table and point out that the message that had been re-written was so wrong and was misleading (in some cases bald faced lies) that I would not send it. I mostly got my way with corrections to at least add an element of truth as the messages would be issued with my name or the name of a member of my team at the bottom.
I shook my head at the AFL message today. That was a disappointing explanation to say the least.
Exactly. We even see instances where a player genuinely plays on but the ump is slow to make the "play-on" call. If the man on the mark twitches a butt cheek it's 50. Matthew Richardson, Bryan Taylor or Jamie Brayshaw carry on pointing out how it's 50 every day of the week in those situations.
And yet the AFL sent out that piece of tripe.
They spent all day coming up with the best lie they could to pretend they didn’t cost us the game and this was the best they could come up with? F’n LOL
I said I'd wait until I saw the explanation.
There's nothing personal in my response. The explanation is garbage.
It has to be Sports Integrity Australia.
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Player marks, whistle blows for mark, players run over mark, fifty meters. Been that way for as long as anyone can remember.
The idea that Bailey Scott played on is astoundingly weird, like we're watching two different visions. Let's grant Kane's notion though. The umpire never called play on and the players ran over the mark. You've always had to wait for the umpire to call play on before you could over step.
It's just a **** up AFL. Just admit it and cut out the 1984 war is peace crap that makes you feel even more annoyed than you originally were.
The idea that Bailey Scott played on is astoundingly weird, like we're watching two different visions. Let's grant Kane's notion though. The umpire never called play on and the players ran over the mark. You've always had to wait for the umpire to call play on before you could over step.
It's just a **** up AFL. Just admit it and cut out the 1984 war is peace crap that makes you feel even more annoyed than you originally were.
Tabcorp have launched an investigation on how the umpires let the game get to that state at half time.
All family members of the games umpires were returned safely post the final siren.
From a Vic teams perspective, I'm sure there's some AFL think tank that hopes the smaller Vic teams fold so they can move their members to one of the Tigers, Pies, Blues, Bombers, or Cats.
That non-goal last season was brutal, as a team who also got dudded by an apparent bench infringement that handed the Swans the win last year, we feel the pain. Obviously the cost where the Crows missed the finals was a worse outcome.
Would be interesting to see a ladder of most vs least apologises where it negatively effected the outcome of the game.
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