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Storm fanbase is comparable to Kangaroos/Hawks
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Maybe so but I reckon the RL would like to get the crowds the AFL get all around the country IE.this weekend AFL =234,000 RL = 102,000
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I lived in NSW for longer than I care to remember.
Its a crap sport no matter where you live or how long you watch it for, unless you like watching overweight men line up and just smack eachother.
The only good thing about living in NSW was being there when Storm won the title.
Id still like to know which RL club/s have more members than the Roos, or even the Bulldogs for that matter. The Bullies have 19,000ish, yet so many assholes wanna see them gone. Without having a clue about RL im sure there are many RL clubs that would love that many members!
Based on the crowds of recent times they have a future at their current level preaching to the converted so long as they are media funded. Have you been to any of their Melbourne games? Islanders in the standing room might make for some acceptable RL crowd numbers but it does zero for the future of the sport in Melbourne. The other relevant fact is that the Storm crowds in Melbourne are as good as they'll get in the foreseeable future whereas North and Hawthorn have actually recorded significantly higher crowds over extended periods.
In short the average storm Crowd compared to a bottom end North/Hawthorn crowd might make for a BF thread but it doesn’t make for a viable Melbourne RL assault and can't. The reality is RL has made no impact in Melbourne at all even though the Melbourne team has won a grand final. On the other hand if comparing to teams that are considered to be of questionable viability makes you happy then smile away. It all points to the realty that RL has no future in Melbourne.
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Re: Re: Storm fanbase is comparable to Kangaroos/Hawks
Cosidering the fact that the Storm are 100% owned by the News Corp / Herald Sun conglomerate who give the club HUGE amounts of money and free undeserved publicity in its media outlets you would have to consider the exercise an abject failure.
Its not if the Storm can survive more like when will they be folded up?
Cosidering the fact that the Storm are 100% owned by the News Corp / Herald Sun conglomerate who give the club HUGE amounts of money and free undeserved publicity in its media outlets you would have to consider the exercise an abject failure.
Its not if the Storm can survive more like when will they be folded up?
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You have obviously got a bit of research to do yourself before you start making the statements you just have .The hawks have 31,200 members ,third or fourth highest of any Victorian club in the league plus a huge supporter base in the South Eastern suburbs of Melbourne & the country area of Gippsland .We are bad this year ,pathetic actually so our attendances have been well down but if we were going well i mean around the top eight (not even top four) the Broncos stadium would be lucky to fit us all in .
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Re: Re: Storm fanbase is comparable to Kangaroos/Hawks
Firstly, i conceed the crowds point. But point is, we have the right end of town supporting our game. Just on Saturday, Lachlan Murdoch was at the Broncos game. So don't worry, the corporate fanbase, combined with the huge leagues clubs that could buy out any AFL club at the drop of a hat will make sure the NRL stays viable for a little while longer
I can appreciate that people from outside NSW would have little idea on this point, but leagues clubs such as the one at Penrith make absolute squillions each year. Penrith have gone on to buy clubs all around NSW. Don't worry, if push came to shove, the leagues clubs have the $$$
Now Mark, would you conceed that the Swans had no future in Sydney for the first 10-15yrs? You had **** crowds, **** performance, and pretty much, you were on a par with where Melbourne are now after 6yrs. The best thing to happen to the swans was the SL war. Without that, the Swans would still be getting 10k to a game MAX. Now, id like to bet, that within the next 10yrs, 1-2 Melb AFL teams will fall over. That alone would be a great boost to the Storm, as i could guarantee they'd pick up many disgruntled supporters. So as i've said before, wait for 15yrs (it took 15 for the swans to be successful) and then come back and have this argument with me.
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Firstly, i conceed the crowds point. But point is, we have the right end of town supporting our game. Just on Saturday, Lachlan Murdoch was at the Broncos game. So don't worry, the corporate fanbase, combined with the huge leagues clubs that could buy out any AFL club at the drop of a hat will make sure the NRL stays viable for a little while longer
I can appreciate that people from outside NSW would have little idea on this point, but leagues clubs such as the one at Penrith make absolute squillions each year. Penrith have gone on to buy clubs all around NSW. Don't worry, if push came to shove, the leagues clubs have the $$$Now Mark, would you conceed that the Swans had no future in Sydney for the first 10-15yrs? You had **** crowds, **** performance, and pretty much, you were on a par with where Melbourne are now after 6yrs. The best thing to happen to the swans was the SL war. Without that, the Swans would still be getting 10k to a game MAX. Now, id like to bet, that within the next 10yrs, 1-2 Melb AFL teams will fall over. That alone would be a great boost to the Storm, as i could guarantee they'd pick up many disgruntled supporters. So as i've said before, wait for 15yrs (it took 15 for the swans to be successful) and then come back and have this argument with me.
Thanks,
Moffo
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Re: Re: Re: Storm fanbase is comparable to Kangaroos/Hawks
"Now Mark, would you conceed that the Swans had no future in Sydney for the first 10-15yrs? You had **** crowds, **** performance, and pretty much, you were on a par with where Melbourne are now after 6yrs. The best thing to happen to the swans was the SL war. Without that, the Swans would still be getting 10k to a game MAX. Now, id like to bet, that within the next 10yrs, 1-2 Melb AFL teams will fall over. That alone would be a great boost to the Storm, as i could guarantee they'd pick up many disgruntled supporters. So as i've said before, wait for 15yrs (it took 15 for the swans to be successful) and then come back and have this argument with me."
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The big difference is that the Storm won a premiership whereas the Swans had some very ordinary seasons in between.
Averaging 8000 in a city of 3.7 million is not viable esp when the team is successfull like the Storm have been. It will come down to how long News Corp want to keep pumping in millions of dollars to prop up this failure.
"Now Mark, would you conceed that the Swans had no future in Sydney for the first 10-15yrs? You had **** crowds, **** performance, and pretty much, you were on a par with where Melbourne are now after 6yrs. The best thing to happen to the swans was the SL war. Without that, the Swans would still be getting 10k to a game MAX. Now, id like to bet, that within the next 10yrs, 1-2 Melb AFL teams will fall over. That alone would be a great boost to the Storm, as i could guarantee they'd pick up many disgruntled supporters. So as i've said before, wait for 15yrs (it took 15 for the swans to be successful) and then come back and have this argument with me."
Thanks,
Moffo [/B][/QUOTE]
The big difference is that the Storm won a premiership whereas the Swans had some very ordinary seasons in between.
Averaging 8000 in a city of 3.7 million is not viable esp when the team is successfull like the Storm have been. It will come down to how long News Corp want to keep pumping in millions of dollars to prop up this failure.
Re: Re: Re: Storm fanbase is comparable to Kangaroos/Hawks
Fundamentally I can't see any future for RL in Melbourne. The fact is that Melbourne's sporting public wlll go to almost anything and yet they stay away from RL in droves. It isn't like Sydney. 10k attendance for Sydney is ok. 10k for Melbourne means nothing. There is a very good reason for the MCG capacity for 100 years v the SCG's.
Means nothing in terms of Melbourne expansion as far as I'm concerned. It means the code will live long in Sydney if it continues but IMO it also means continued drive toward TV spectator sport status for RL which ultimately is the biggest threat to the AFL. What made the AFL so great was the punters in stands and what they got see week in week out.
I certainly don’t underestimate the money in the Leagues Clubs. Nevertheless most AFL clubs (or at least the Victorian ones) are membership based and can't be bought. Your choice of words may have been metaphoric and the point is taken in terms of the relative wealth but my point is it doesn't matter. All it means is you get the same issues on a larger scale. I.e. salary cap and player payments etc are exactly the same just with bigger numbers in RL. AT the end of the day both codes have clubs struggling to make it through a season. It's a bit like the arguments about getting m ore for TV money in AFL. Because of the structure it is important. However if you wanted to you could make it irrelevant. As you push the operating costs higher you need more TV money. Then as you get more TV money you push everything upward again.
I'm not convinced that they actually have a viable long term future even now. I will be if they can get 70k to Collingwood v swans when the Swans are 10th or worse. I will be if they can regularly get 20k - 30k if the Swans are in their second year of poor on field performance. The problem is the AFL share my doubts and they will make sure that doesn't happen if they can. IMO the Swans have a future as a small player in a big market and they might slowly gain acceptance for the code among non League devotees. The reality the Swans were borne for TV and that is the only reason they still exist. Their only problem is that TV now can show live games in Melbourne (and Adelaide and Perth) lounge rooms. That is Sydney's competition. The advantage they have is that the AFL will never forsake their investment or admit defeat. I'm not sure they should in reality but nor am I convinced the Swans can achieved much more than to be a bit part player in a massive market. The real test will come when TV deals come up for grabs. Will networks commit to showing Swans games in Sydney in prime time and if so how will they go? That will be the making of the swans if the outcome is positive. Right now all the Swans are is potential. The Storm on the other hand don’t have any IMO.
Fundamentally I can't see any future for RL in Melbourne. The fact is that Melbourne's sporting public wlll go to almost anything and yet they stay away from RL in droves. It isn't like Sydney. 10k attendance for Sydney is ok. 10k for Melbourne means nothing. There is a very good reason for the MCG capacity for 100 years v the SCG's.
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i know facts are frowned upon, but the AFL clubs dwarf the NRL clubs in an economic sense:
Total club revenue in AFL ranges from $26m (big clubs) down to about $18m for Roos, Dogs, etc
Club revenue for NRL at the top is only around $17m (broncos), down to below $10m for the likes of Wests, Souths, etc.
Pokie palaces dont consider RL core business, so saying a leagues club will buy out another club, or even continue to support existing RL club is debatable. Just look at the Belmore club, no longer wanting anything to do with the bulldogs, as its clientell is now mostly Asian.
Total club revenue in AFL ranges from $26m (big clubs) down to about $18m for Roos, Dogs, etc
Club revenue for NRL at the top is only around $17m (broncos), down to below $10m for the likes of Wests, Souths, etc.
Pokie palaces dont consider RL core business, so saying a leagues club will buy out another club, or even continue to support existing RL club is debatable. Just look at the Belmore club, no longer wanting anything to do with the bulldogs, as its clientell is now mostly Asian.
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Or maybe they are people like me who are members who live interstate?!
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