Opinion Stringer theory. NO ESSENDON SUPPORTERS.

[Mutt]

Find it funny that those who keep assuring us that the club is no way at fault have no trouble dismissing claims by Gilmore that they didn't do enough for Stringer while taking everything else she said as gospel.
Personally I'm not convinced we took his gambling seriously enough when drafted, pushed his philandering and lifestyle to the side because he was playing well and made seemingly limp wristed efforts at support when the shit hit the fan. Now we find ourselves with a problem child partially of our own making and don't even have the intelligence or leadership to keep out of the media circus allowing it to become a PR disaster and further devaluing our asset.
Anyone who doesn't think this is poor governance and duty of care from the club and the senior coach might want to rethink.
This by no means absolves Stringer who's been a shit head and deserves much of the public shellacking he'll get.
But as a buisiness, an employer and a home the club has failed its supporters, playing group and Jake.

Mike, what makes you think that Gilmore knows exactly what help Jake was offered (and even for which of his issues) and what makes you think that she knows what Jake's response to that help was. There has obviously and by her own admission been an awful lot going on in Jake's life that Abby either didn't know about, or didn't deal with. I think this is one occasion where you are rushing to judgement based on almost zero evidence. Abbey thinks the club didn't do enough so let's pot the club.

 

[fronkalicious]

Wait for the article later in the week with strings hanging his head, having a cry, taking responsibility for his actions, saying he's committed to change, it's all about his girls, etc etc.........

Go back and read the reactions on here after his Trade Radio appearance. He'll turn that on again and the narrative will soften.

 

[immortalmike]

Mike, what makes you think that Gilmore knows exactly what help Jake was offered (and even for which of his issues) and what makes you think that she knows what Jake's response to that help was. There has obviously and by her own admission been an awful lot going on in Jake's life that Abby either didn't know about, or didn't deal with. I think this is one occasion where you are rushing to judgement based on almost zero evidence. Abbey thinks the club didn't do enough so let's pot the club.

Am I to believe someone with first hand access to Jake, JJ and several of the playing group or random people on here?
I think she knows plenty. And again I'm not potting the club for the sake of it. We need to get better or this will keep happening with blokes that don't fit the "good person" mould.

 

[dogzrule]

Mike, what makes you think that Gilmore knows exactly what help Jake was offered (and even for which of his issues) and what makes you think that she knows what Jake's response to that help was. There has obviously and by her own admission been an awful lot going on in Jake's life that Abby either didn't know about, or didn't deal with. I think this is one occasion where you are rushing to judgement based on almost zero evidence. Abbey thinks the club didn't do enough so let's pot the club.

Where is the manager in all this ? Doesn't Jake pay him to help or get him help in these situations?

Club can only do so much and sounds like they tried to help over an extended period but Jake didn't listen so in the end they are chopping him


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[King Harold]

After watching the Tiges yesterday , they looked like us in 2016 , everyone playing for each other.
Dogs this year complete opposite.
I guess we now know why ?

 

[Dogs Rule]

Am I to believe someone with first hand access to Jake, JJ and several of the playing group or random people on here?
I think she knows plenty. And again I'm not potting the club for the sake of it. We need to get better or this will keep happening with blokes that don't fit the "good person" mould.

Look, I'm sure the club would admit it could have handled some things better, but like I've said, Jake is an adult. He needs to take responsibility.

I think you're smashing the club for the sake of it.

 

[immortalmike]

Look, I'm sure the club would admit it could have handled some things better, but like I've said, Jake is an adult. He needs to take responsibility.

I think you're smashing the club for the sake of it.

Yeah because I have form smashing the club for the sake of it.
Honestly done with this subject. My thoughts and feelings are known. You guys can continue taking them out of context and calling me a **** wit without me.

 

[lachy]

[QUOTE="immortalmike, post: 52772869, member: 55277l

I'd hazard the answer to those questions is no.

[QUOTE="immortalmike, post: 52765561, member: 55277"
Anyone who doesn't think this is poor governance and duty of care from the club and the senior coach might want to rethink.

But as a buisiness, an employer and a home the club has failed its supporters, playing group and Jake.[/QUOTE]
Just to be clear.

It is this statement of yours that I called dribble, your opinion is yours and that is respected so calling the whole statement dribble was wrong and I apologise.

The club is made up of many professionals in player welfare and support. When you make statements like this that are unsubstantiated you are basically saying some fantastic support people and a large investment the club makes to support its players, including a coach that goes way above most others, are negligent and should be sued for that negligence.

and to answer your question of my knowledge of what the club has in place and how it operates it is alot more than nothing. Also have been close to the support for young people with mental issues works from a number of angles but really that is not relevant to this at all.

As for this particular issue with Jake I have no specific details other than second hand also not from the media. I have stated throughout this thread my concern is Jakes health the rest can wait.

Should there be a review of player welfare after this, absolutely . Is what is provided by the people within the club negligent, no.

 

[fronkalicious]

After watching the Tiges yesterday , they looked like us in 2016 , everyone playing for each other.
Dogs this year complete opposite.
I guess we now know why ?

It's not who you got, it's how you play isn't it KH. More than ever in my lifetime, the flag is up for grabs for the team that puts it all together. Love it.

The drink knows the formula. We'll be back next season.

 

[grassman75]

It's a Dantean apocalypse!

Internecine outbreaks everywhere. Devouring our young. Hurling ourselves (like lemmings) off the cliffs of reason and moderation. Leaping into the excoriating fires of rushed judgement. Pouring the boiling oil of mischievous innuendo and accusation over anything that wears red, white and blue. The downfall of the Roman empire was a kick in the park compared to this.

Is it really six whole months until Round 1, 2018?

At least we still have our Premiership Cups on our posts....

 

[King Harold]

Yeah because I have form smashing the club for the sake of it.
Honestly done with this subject. My thoughts and feelings are known. You guys can continue taking them out of context and calling me a **** wit without me.

Don't spit it mate cause some don't agree.
I for one think there is some truth in what you say. No doubt as things have unfolded , the club would look back and think they could have done things better. That always happens.
But after watching the movie Friday night , it reminded me again of what a caring and inclusive bloke our coach is. I can't believe he would not have done everything possible to get Jake back on track.
And not just his footy , he would have also been devastated about how this sordid affair has affected all of the Stringer family.
I think you could hear the hurt in him when announcing the upcoming trade.
I also think he may have been out voted , maybe the coaches and players are now driving this.
He may even feel he has failed in not getting Jake on the straight and narrow.

But I'm like ALL of us on here only speculating.

 

[glenashley]

Just to clear some things up, it wasn't illegal (immoral maybe).

"Victoria. It is an offence in Victoria to sexually penetrate a person under the age of 16. However, it is a defence if the younger party was aged 12 years or older and the offender was not more than 2 years older than the younger person, or they were married."

 

[Hard Ball Get]

Lock the thread? And let the list management thread become even shittier than it normally is?

They say nothing is impossible, but....

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

You can offer all help, friends and professionals, listen and talk till the cows come home, but if the person concerned doesn't want to change, he won't.

 

[King Harold]

It's not who you got, it's how you play isn't it KH. More than ever in my lifetime, the flag is up for grabs for the team that puts it all together. Love it.

The drink knows the formula. We'll be back next season.

Fronk my friend , you always make things seen a lot clearer after we have stumbled our way through the fog of season 2017 !

 

[W W Biscuit]

I've got to stop reading this thread. Just woke up from a dream where Bevo was Superintendent Chalmers, walking around the footy club shouting "Stringerrrr!!"

 

[yebiga]

There's so many different angles out of of the story - how we've handed the PR side of it, the motivations behind Abby going on about it, the gambling addiction, and how it all adds up to list management implications.

I'd just like to talk about the whole sleeping with a 17 year old here because I feel like a lot of posters don't understand or comprehend the full nature of something like that in the context of being a gun footy player.

Not sure if anyone here has read Night Games by Anna Krien (I don't think anyone would have because the demographic it's written for is not really your average BF poster), which was about a (non-AFL) footballers rape investigation in the aftermath of the Pies 2010 flag celebrations. I'm not accusing anyone of rape or any form of sexual assault here and I want to make that abundantly clear, but the reason that I bring this up is because the book delves into the hero worship of AFL players and the power imbalances (and differing responsibility) that occurs as a result. You can't place an "ordinary" cheating event in the same context as an AFL player doing the same, because there's an element of power and influence that's unique very few people like AFL players. It's kind of hard for me to articulate/put into words, but basically, it's completely different so you have to treat it differently.

I am not disputing a single word you said - there are girls who would be totally Gaga over them and therefore very vulnerable.

There are however also alot of girls who would run rings around the average footballer.

 

[yebiga]

Where is the manager in all this ? Doesn't Jake pay him to help or get him help in these situations?

Club can only do so much and sounds like they tried to help over an extended period but Jake didn't listen so in the end they are chopping him


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Connors is a first class useless dick

 

[BRWB]

Connors is a first class useless dick

Connors is a good operator. Wrong yet again.

My god this thread is Choc full of nuff nuff uninformed opinions.

A great truism. Opinions are like aresholes. Everyone has one and some stink more than others.

 

[yebiga]

Connors is a good operator. Wrong yet again.

My god this thread is Choc full of nuff nuff uninformed opinions.

A great truism. Opinions are like aresholes. Everyone has one and some stink more than others.

If Jake's lost a $100,000 on gambling and Paul kept feeding his habit with more advances - as Abby says he did/does, I think calling him a useless dick is very appropriate - don't you?

 

[BRWB]

If Jake's lost a $100,000 on gambling and Paul kept feeding his habit with more advances - as Abby says he did/does, I think calling him a useless dick is very appropriate - don't you?

Nope you seem completely ignorant of Connors' business and the fact he is the most successful and respected player manager going around. But are prepared to take as gospel the information provided by a player's jilted partner who herself alternately claims ignorance or knowledge depending on the situation.


If a player regularly shits his pants, it's not up to a player manager or a club to starve him to stop him shitting. They might have to wipe the players arse clean for him though.

Connors will no doubt be busy this week.

 

[ScragCity]

It's not who you got, it's how you play isn't it KH. More than ever in my lifetime, the flag is up for grabs for the team that puts it all together. Love it.

The drink knows the formula. We'll be back next season.

Its not how big it is, its how you use it.

 

[King Harold]

Its not how big it is, its how you use it.

That's what most of us are hanging our hat on Scrag -- pardon the pun

 

[Yojimbo]

The drink knows the formula. We'll be back next season.

You should check out Bevo's coaching run during the
St Bedes tigers run from C grade to A grade in three
successive years. The C and B grade flags were big
come from behind wins as much as 47 points down.
The A grade flag was actually the easiest of the wins
leading all the way. The interesting thing was the lack
of player movement across the three years and the
reaction of amateur footballers to getting welcome
DVD's and doing player reviews, it is a great read
and insight into Bevo.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

You should check out Bevo's coaching run during the
St Bedes tigers run from C grade to A grade in three
successive years. The C and B grade flags were big
come from behind wins as much as 47 points down.
The A grade flag was actually the easiest of the wins
leading all the way. The interesting thing was the lack
of player movement across the three years and the
reaction of amateur footballers to getting welcome
DVD's and doing player reviews, it is a great read
and insight into Bevo.

Where can one find this read ?