Opinion Stringer theory. NO ESSENDON SUPPORTERS.

[Dogs Rule]

Find it funny that those who keep assuring us that the club is no way at fault have no trouble dismissing claims by Gilmore that they didn't do enough for Stringer while taking everything else she said as gospel.
Personally I'm not convinced we took his gambling seriously enough when drafted, pushed his philandering and lifestyle to the side because he was playing well and made seemingly limp wristed efforts at support when the shit hit the fan. Now we find ourselves with a problem child partially of our own making and don't even have the intelligence or leadership to keep out of the media circus allowing it to become a PR disaster and further devaluing our asset.
Anyone who doesn't think this is poor governance and duty of care from the club and the senior coach might want to rethink.
This by no means absolves Stringer who's been a shit head and deserves much of the public shellacking he'll get.
But as a buisiness, an employer and a home the club has failed its supporters, playing group and Jake.

But, but, you can only help a person if they are willing to accept help.

 

[ScragCity]

Find it funny that those who keep assuring us that the club is no way at fault have no trouble dismissing claims by Gilmore that they didn't do enough for Stringer while taking everything else she said as gospel.
Personally I'm not convinced we took his gambling seriously enough when drafted, pushed his philandering and lifestyle to the side because he was playing well and made seemingly limp wristed efforts at support when the shit hit the fan. Now we find ourselves with a problem child partially of our own making and don't even have the intelligence or leadership to keep out of the media circus allowing it to become a PR disaster and further devaluing our asset.
Anyone who doesn't think this is poor governance and duty of care from the club and the senior coach might want to rethink.
This by no means absolves Stringer who's been a shit head and deserves much of the public shellacking he'll get.
But as a buisiness, an employer and a home the club has failed its supporters, playing group and Jake.

Never seen you miss an opportunity to take shots at the club, Mike. Did Bev snob you when you tried to get an autograph at some point? Holding the club responsible for Jakes actions is bit silly imo brah. As far as the media stuff is concerned, do you think the club has the power to make Abbgilmore1 sign an NDA or do you think we could shop him around without the media finding out? This stuff was always going to come out. If anything its a miracle we stopped it from coming out last year and disrupting our flag campaign.

 

[immortalmike]

But, but, you can only help a person if they are willing to accept help.

No you can't but you can take their issues seriously and give them strict guidelines with visible and clear punishments for stepping out of line.
Sometimes this is the best form help/support can come in.
I think Ms Gilmore was alluding to it exactly.

 

[Golden_6]

Find it funny that those who keep assuring us that the club is no way at fault have no trouble dismissing claims by Gilmore that they didn't do enough for Stringer while taking everything else she said as gospel.
Personally I'm not convinced we took his gambling seriously enough when drafted, pushed his philandering and lifestyle to the side because he was playing well and made seemingly limp wristed efforts at support when the shit hit the fan. Now we find ourselves with a problem child partially of our own making and don't even have the intelligence or leadership to keep out of the media circus allowing it to become a PR disaster and further devaluing our asset.
Anyone who doesn't think this is poor governance and duty of care from the club and the senior coach might want to rethink.
This by no means absolves Stringer who's been a shit head and deserves much of the public shellacking he'll get.
But as a buisiness, an employer and a home the club has failed its supporters, playing group and Jake.

You'd want to hope you're involved inside the club if you want to make statements like that. No one actually knows the situation unless you're directly involved but you come on here making blanket statements like you know more than everyone else.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Not sure how anyone can expect the club to put so much effort into one bloke when there's 44 on the list.
Besides, there used to be a thing called "taking responsibility for one's own actions".
Doesn't matter what the club does if Jake won't face his own demons, or believes they don't exist.

 

[immortalmike]

Never seen you miss an opportunity to take shots at the club, Mike. Did Bev snob you when you tried to get an autograph at some point? Holding the club responsible for Jakes actions is bit silly imo brah. As far as the media stuff is concerned, do you think the club has the power to make Abbgilmore1 sign an NDA or do you think we could shop him around without the media finding out? This stuff was always going to come out. If anything its a miracle we stopped it from coming out last year and disrupting our flag campaign.

Actually I love Beveridge. Have a nice picture with him at last year's best and fairest that I was using as a facebook pic for a long while.
I just don't like blind hero worship. Happy to back the club when I think they've done the right thing, Griffen, Aker and Talia sagas are good examples of that. I'm also happy to give them a whack when they haven't in my eyes, Essendon drug saga being a good example of that.

I'm not blaming them for Jake's actions on the club but I am blaming them for not taking them seriously enough, offering enough support and ignoring a grieving ex wag.
Hey maybe Ms Gilmore wouldn't have said anything had we taken her seriously in the first place.
As for our media performance a simple "Jake is a required player, we do not comment on rumours or innuendo" would have sufficed. Then let it play out. We played our hand too early and are getting smashed for it.

 

[immortalmike]

You'd want to hope you're involved inside the club if you want to make statements like that. No one actually knows the situation unless you're directly involved but you come on here making blanket statements like you know more than everyone else.

What unqualified blanket statements have I made?
I know nothing more than what has come out in the papers.

 

[ScragCity]

Actually I love Beveridge. Have a nice picture with him at last year's best and fairest that I was using as a facebook pic for a long while.
I just don't like blind hero worship. Happy to back the club when I think they've done the right thing, Griffen, Aker and Talia sagas are good examples of that. I'm also happy to give them a whack when they haven't in my eyes, Essendon drug saga being a good example of that.

I'm not blaming them for Jake's actions on the club but I am blaming them for not taking them seriously enough, offering enough support and ignoring a grieving ex wag.
Hey maybe Ms Gilmore wouldn't have said anything had we taken her seriously in the first place.
As for our media performance a simple "Jake is a required player, we do not comment on rumours or innuendo" would have sufficed. Then let it play out. We played our hand too early and are getting smashed for it.

I don't like blind hero worship either but I don't believe that it's the clubs responsibility to dictate every aspect of someones private life. I also give them the benefit of the doubt after what the current administration has achieved, and there is a LOT of doubt about who did what, to what extent we have heard the truth and who was responsible for letting it get to this point.

 

[philmb]

I'm hearing that SEN has 'confirmed' with Stringer's manager that he has agreed to a 5yr $750k with Geelong? It apparently is on twitter (which I don't have) so take it with a grain of salt, but it sounds off in the first place because surely the Dogs would need to agree to the terms of a trade?

 

[immortalmike]

I don't like blind hero worship either but I don't believe that it's the clubs responsibility to dictate every aspect of someones private life. I also give them the benefit of the doubt after what the current administration has achieved, and there is a LOT of doubt about who did what, to what extent we have heard the truth and who was responsible for letting it get to this point.

I am not asking for people's jobs all I'm asking for is for the club to be better. We can't be better if nobody questions the governance that got us to this point.
Jake's actions are his own but much like owning a rottweiler we knew what he was when we got him, the club didn't give him the support he needed (from his exes own mouth) to be the loyal, goofy loveable awesome guard dog he could have been. Instead we got a very naughty boy, that has caused major damage. Jake obviously has to wear that but the club obviously isn't blameless.

 

[immortalmike]

I'm hearing that SEN has 'confirmed' with Stringer's manager that he has agreed to a 5yr $750k with Geelong? It apparently is on twitter (which I don't have) so take it with a grain of salt, but it sounds off in the first place because surely the Dogs would need to agree to the terms of a trade?

His manager Phil Collins?

 

[philmb]

His manager Phil Collins?

Something in the air tonight?

 

[immortalmike]

Something in the air tonight?

The one I saw had his manager quoted as "Phil Collins".

 

[Clay]

I'm hearing that SEN has 'confirmed' with Stringer's manager that he has agreed to a 5yr $750k with Geelong? It apparently is on twitter (which I don't have) so take it with a grain of salt, but it sounds off in the first place because surely the Dogs would need to agree to the terms of a trade?

Can’t find this anywhere

 

[House_of_Dahl]

I'm hearing that SEN has 'confirmed' with Stringer's manager that he has agreed to a 5yr $750k with Geelong? It apparently is on twitter (which I don't have) so take it with a grain of salt, but it sounds off in the first place because surely the Dogs would need to agree to the terms of a trade?

If he's getting 5 yrs at $750K pa then I want a decent pick!

 

[ScragCity]

If he's getting 5 yrs at $750K pa then I want a decent pick!

If they are willing to pay him that they are willing to give us pick 20 and their first for next year. If not then we hold.

 

[Yojimbo]

I'm hearing that SEN has 'confirmed' with Stringer's manager that he has agreed to a 5yr $750k with Geelong? It apparently is on twitter (which I don't have) so take it with a grain of salt, but it sounds off in the first place because surely the Dogs would need to agree to the terms of a trade?

Yeah 150k a year that's about current market value.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

If they are willing to pay him that they are willing to give us pick 20 and their first for next year. If not then we hold.

yeah I've gone from 'I could cope with that' to 'I'd be stoked with that'..

 

[WallyStringhaus]

I know I'm probably in the minority here but I think what Abby did was incredibly brave and necessary for both her and Jake's progression as human beings.

Awareness is the first step towards the solution of any major issue. Judging from a lot of the posts since this news broke, gambling and cheating are rife throughout the industry and widely accepted as standard behaviour.

This is not ok. By putting the story of both her and her daughters out there, Abby has shown the very human side of what gets left behind in the wake of this selfish behaviour.

It will most likely not help Jake in the immediate aftermath but in creating this platform she will be helping countless others in the future. It is always important to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. If Abby coming out and speaking up helps a 16yo girl make a smarter decision on whether to date a footballer, or forces the parents of aspiring young players to spend more time educating their children, or scares a young star into realising just how quickly it can all go downhill if you give into temptation then it will all be worth it...it's an important conversation that clearly needs to be had. Abby should be applauded for her honesty.

I feel for Jake but now is the time for him to become a man. I too was once a 23yo kid who made stupid, stupid mistakes. I was lucky enough to have a great woman who held me accountable when i screwed up and was never afraid to tell it how it was. At the time i resented how forthright she was but it made me grow up and become a husband and father she could depend upon. Jake may never get the chance to win Abby back but there are plenty of other ways to redeem yourself. I wish him all the best.

 

[TommyD13]

Not sure how anyone can expect the club to put so much effort into one bloke when there's 44 on the list.
Besides, there used to be a thing called "taking responsibility for one's own actions".
Doesn't matter what the club does if Jake won't face his own demons, or believes they don't exist.

We had 45 this year

 

[Cori]

Definitely voting for the thread lock at this point. Shit's getting ugly. This is going to play out in the media pretty hard, we're going to end up with an official statement from both WB and Stringer early next week I imagine. There are no sides to take on this and calling either party names is just crap. We don't know the fine details to any of it. Just wait for it to play out before raging.

 

[ScragCity]

Definitely voting for the thread lock at this point. Shit's getting ugly. This is going to play out in the media pretty hard, we're going to end up with an official statement from both WB and Stringer early next week I imagine. There are no sides to take on this and calling either party names is just crap. We don't know the fine details to any of it. Just wait for it to play out before raging.

Its gonna get a lot uglier before this is over.

 

[the bee sharps]

We aren't getting a top 10 pick now that's for sure

 

[Igloo]

Lock the thread? And let the list management thread become even shittier than it normally is? No chance. Not that I have any interest in further discussing it, but people will definitely try to.

 

[Jen Geoffings]

My guess on the trade and media strategy of this would be that release of the story is critical to a trade taking place. The story hasn't damaged a trade or the terms of it, because no club would sign Jake knowing the story was out there and would become their problem when it emerged - i.e, their supporters reacting like ours have in this thread and questioning their club for recruiting him, not to mention media criticism etc.

Clubs with an interest in Jake would insisting all of his issues be public before they sign him. Just think of how the Essendon board would be grappling with it and they will be the most reputation focused and media bruised governance body in the league.

Now the story is out it will run its course, be critical of the Dogs not his new club, and the media strategy can shift to stories about how great a football player he is, how remorseful he is, and how he is reforming. Build up some respect, sympathy and hope for Jake (which couldn't be done while the story wasn't public) and then his next club will be able to sign him. We will be hoping that this process will rebuild his value too.

Media management (more appropriately termed 'issues management') is an inexact science tho and defined by risk assessment and risk tolerance. If the story becomes a media frenzy of find the 17yo and her parents it will spiral out of control, if it becomes a story of sad relationship breakdown, immature adults and protect the kids, then there's hope for all.

The timing, as per my previous post, is also important. I suspect that given it had to be released, it was timed to coincide with the greatest period of distraction - the tigers will swallow all the airtime for a week. Remember last year when we were front and back page of the Hun for whole week? And all the footy talk shows are done for the year.

Of course, I have no inner knowledge of the issues or the management strategies so just guessing. Apols for length.