Swans' academy.

[Tulip]

They're changing a rule MID season?

 

[PeteSummer]

They're changing a rule MID season?

They are according to Barrett. McGuire wins.

 

[FuManchu]

They are according to Barrett. McGuire wins.

Not just McGuire, everyone west of Melbourne too apparently.

 

[DST]

Looks like Sydney won't be able to get a bargain now with Issac Heeney according to Damian Barrett.

What drugs are you smoking?

The rules are and have always been that Sydney would need to bid for Issac Heeney and very clearly this was always going to be a first round draft pick anyway.

Any rule changes will be around the second player they might want to take or potentially adding a highly rated father and son in the same year (ie Mills and Dunkley next year).

DST

 

[PeteSummer]

What drugs are you smoking?

The rules are and have always been that Sydney would need to bid for Issac Heeney and very clearly this was always going to be a first round draft pick anyway.

Any rule changes will be around the second player they might want to take or potentially adding a highly rated father and son in the same year (ie Mills and Dunkley next year).

DST

Barrett indicated tonight a independent panel will be formed at the end of the year and Sydney will have to handover more than a 1st Round pick if he is rated higher than their first round pick.

 

[HPKS]

Absolutely, which is why they make a fuss when it's moved FROM the MCG to another venue, such as Skilled Stadium last year's QF, or the 1991 GF at Waverley . . .

Also last year's Grand Final was only the second time that an interstate club lost a grand final against a Melbourne side at the G, as opposed to the many times that the same interstate clubs have won GFs against Melbourne sides at the venue, so they probably do feel that it is at least neutral, if not more than that.

Playing at the MCG doesn't even out anything, it's probably just the balance for interstate clubs having their own home grounds when Melbourne clubs do not.

M8 I hope u were tryin to keep a straight face while you were posting that. You want a national comp eventually you lot will have to earn your GF home final. Your VFL is slowly but surely disappearing.

 

[DST]

Barrett indicated tonight a independent panel will be formed at the end of the year and Sydney will have to handover more than a 1st Round pick if he is rated higher than their first round pick.

Ha ha ha, that is almost nigh on impossible to implement and won't remove Eddies concerns.

So Heeney is deemed to be worth say pick 10 to 15 and the Swans have pick 18. So what if they have to hand over their fourth pick to nominate him as that is all it will be.

In the end an independent panel will make a conservative call on where a player sits as their is so many variables in what a player is worth and whether they will eventually make it.

 

[HPKS]

Barrett indicated tonight a independent panel will be formed at the end of the year and Sydney will have to handover more than a 1st Round pick if he is rated higher than their first round pick.

Hahahahahaha Barrett! You'd believe that ambulance chaser.

 

[MarkP]

Phew.

Barret is reporting it. Nothing to see here that will be close to accurate.

 

[PeteSummer]

Brayshaw confirmed there will be an independent panel formed. He would know, he is a club president.

 

[Arwib]

If that happens (mid year FFS? would be a terrible precedent from Gillon in his first year to cave to Eddie on something this haphazardly) I hope Collingwood have to give up two picks for Moore.

 

[Maddo11]

Barrett was just saying that if "the panel" (which does not yet exist) deems Heeney to be worth more than our first pick (could be #18) , that we might have to give up our second pick as well. Surely no one draftee is worth your two highest draft picks, unless their name is Christopher James Voss-Carey.

I'd be absolutely spewing if we spent two picks on a kid who could turn out to be Jack Watts.

 

[PeteSummer]

If that happens (mid year FFS?) I hope Collingwood have to give up two picks for Moore.

If they finish lower - say they receive a Top 10 pick, which is looking likely, they won't need to.

 

[Arwib]

Are you suggesting we're going to bring back a tanking incentive?

 

[Mister B]

Are you suggesting we're going to bring back a tanking incentive?

That's exactly what they are doing, but no idiot has thought that through yet. Same as the flogs that bought in the head high rule didn't think far enough ahead to see it would lead to more players charging head first into contests, hence creating a more dangerous situation than already existed.

 

[PeteSummer]

Are you suggesting we're going to bring back a tanking incentive?

That is what you create when you have compromised drafting methods like the academy.

Apparently McGuire & Newbold are refusing to sign off on being taxed until the AFL make the academy systems fairer for every club.

 

[Danair]

It sucks but I can live with giving up pick 18 and 36 for Heeney.

 

[MRB37]

Ha ha ha, that is almost nigh on impossible to implement and won't remove Eddies concerns.

So Heeney is deemed to be worth say pick 10 to 15 and the Swans have pick 18. So what if they have to hand over their fourth pick to nominate him as that is all it will be.

In the end an independent panel will make a conservative call on where a player sits as their is so many variables in what a player is worth and whether they will eventually make it.

His worth is probably what anyone is willing to spend on him. If a team is willing to give up their first round pick, which is #5, then that's his worth and Sydney need to come somewhere close to matching that.

And if this then flows down and applies to F/S selections too, I can't see how Sydney can make too much of a complaint about it.

 

[master bate]

What drugs are you smoking?

The rules are and have always been that Sydney would need to bid for Issac Heeney and very clearly this was always going to be a first round draft pick anyway.

Any rule changes will be around the second player they might want to take or potentially adding a highly rated father and son in the same year (ie Mills and Dunkley next year).

DST

A pick in the 16-20 range for a guy rated top 5 is a massive bargain.

Barrett was just saying that if "the panel" (which does not yet exist) deems Heeney to be worth more than our first pick (could be #18) , that we might have to give up our second pick as well. Surely no one draftee is worth your two highest draft picks, unless their name is Christopher James Voss-Carey.

I'd be absolutely spewing if we spent two picks on a kid who could turn out to be Jack Watts.

You'd find that most clubs would gladly give up picks 18 and 36 for pick 5. It's a great deal every day of the week.

There were strong rumours that Sydney offered the picks they had in 2009 draft (Pick 6 - Rohan, Pick 14 - Jetta) to get pick 3 in Dustin Martin.

Of course there is a risk a top 5 pick is a Jack Watts but usually you'd take the guy you'd think is odds on of being an above average player than 2 picks when the second in particular is every chance to amount to nothing.

 

[TedDougChris]

I just have to call you out on the marketing allowances comment. What makes you think Sydney have different rules for this? All clubs follow the same requirements and they are ticked off by the AFL. Trying to stay on topic and take our lumps where they are deserved but I feel like we're the whipping boys for every perceived injustice in the AFL at the moment.

Apologies, poorly worded, meant marketing in general not specifically Sydney here. But there should be no allowances for any marketing expenses hidden in salary caps, as was discussed with the Folau/Hunt deals - that there was money not in the cap for those guys.

 

[TedDougChris]

..........and no lump sum payments to nonviable Victorian clubs that have no realistic chance of surviving in the competition in their own right, which would reduce the amount of teams in Victoria to 6, thus simultaneously solving the uneven fixture where every club can play each other twice.

Your unbiased thoughts on that?

My unbiased thoughts are if we get the same stadium deals that other clubs in Melbourne do (you do realise that the Bulldogs, Saints and North are effectively subsidising the purchase of Etihad stadium don't you ??) and get access to even fixturing (so we occasionally get home games at decent times against the bigger clubs) and get on prime time TV once in a while (looking at 2 years if not closer to 3 since we had a Friday night game - whether home or away), that we'll be making far more money than we are now.

And the first three clubs to go when you turn off the AFL drip will be GWS, GCS, then Brisbane. Not us sunshine....

 

[DST]

Barrett was just saying that if "the panel" (which does not yet exist) deems Heeney to be worth more than our first pick (could be #18) , that we might have to give up our second pick as well. Surely no one draftee is worth your two highest draft picks, unless their name is Christopher James Voss-Carey.

I'd be absolutely spewing if we spent two picks on a kid who could turn out to be Jack Watts.

No independent panel would require a club to outlay picks one and two on a un-tried 18 year old draftee, especially one that comes from a state where the kid plays Div 2 state football and no regular TAC Cup.

Barrett is a flog if he thinks it would be a possible extra 2nd round pick for Heeney, not even a untried test tube born Ablett Jnr Jnr would be worth that.

 

[master bate]

No independent panel would require a club to outlay picks one and two on a un-tried 18 year old draftee, especially one that comes from a state where the kid plays Div 2 state football and no regular TAC Cup.

Barrett is a flog if he thinks it would be a possible extra 2nd round pick for Heeney, not even a untried test tube born Ablett Jnr Jnr would be worth that.

Of course they would.

Heeney is rated a top 5 pick. There's a lot of group think but he's rated that by a wide range of various media and internet pundits and most recruiters have spoken about him in that range.

Pick 18 and 36 if anything is too little to get to pick 5, certainly not too much.

 

[PeteSummer]

Barrett is a flog if he thinks it would be a possible extra 2nd round pick for Heeney, not even a untried test tube born Ablett Jnr Jnr would be worth that.

Brayshaw confirmed a 2nd Round would have to be used as well as their first round for Heeney.

He said it was confirmed at the coaches meeting on Monday.

 

[telsor]

Very good. But sydney and melbourne are the diamonds. 2 biggest cities for sponsorship and tv

Potentially, yes, but sponsors/TV pay for people who actually watch, not the potential audience and Perth has ~3 times as many viewers as Sydney. ( and Adelaide is bigger than Perth from this perspective ).

Melbourne is roughly 50% of the TV market.

* source TV Ratings thread on the industry board.
nb. This doesn't include Foxtel, who don't seem to break up their figures by market.