Sydney firm as favorites for Mark Seaby

[The Falcon Strike]

I agree with the 3rd rounder, your 3rd isnt that high anyway. I rekon we will likely use that 3rd rounder and on trade our own or on trade both...

Just had a thought - if we could snag a 3 rounder that would give us pick 38 and 39.

Depending on how many picks we need - we could always try and trade those two picks for say Geelong's second rounder.

Try and go close to getting 3 picks in the top 30.

 

[keviewiggle]

Seaby doesn't owe the Eagles anything, so if he goes for free in the PSD - so be it.

I'd love to get something for him!

Would be interesting if Sydney would accept changing our first 2/3 picks.

The WCE will do alright out of the trade because there will be 5 or 6 clubs vieing for his services.
You better believe it!!!!!
Where else are they going to get a ruckman in the next 2 years?
Ruckmen will be in serious demand in the immediate future.

 

[BarneyBent]

Sydney: Pick 7 and Seaby
WC: Pick 6

WC increases their chance of getting their man, whoever that may be (a WA boy like Lucas? Morabito if he slides? Rohan, the small forward they're crying out for?), which in a draft that seems to start to thin out after the top 5 or so, and then again after the top 30 (this is going off media/BF, hard to keep an eye on things first hand from Sydney/Canberra), would be reasonably significant (as opposed to last year, where it was much of a muchness in terms of quality right through the first round and even into the second).

Sydney drop down a pick in the first round, get an ordinary-but-solid ruckman at the expense of list space, who will probably just hold the fort while guys like Currie, Orreal and Pyke come into their own. Orreal is a fair way off (though is definitely showing plenty of promise), Pyke excels in some aspects (hitouts and tackling) but needs to spend lots of time on ground to learn the game, meaning playing ressies, which leaves Currie, who can play forward and in the ruck. I wouldn't mind playing three ruckmen, with Currie rotating forward on a regular basis, and Seaby as primary backup to Jolly.

Who knows? We may even run Seaby into career-best form (on past history, he'll either excel greatly or flop terribly; he could be a Jolly, or a Chambers; a Shaw, or a Spriggs; a Mattner, or a Playfair), and when (if?) Currie/Orreal/Pyke grow into the role and are able to claim their spot in the side long-term, we could maybe on-trade Seaby for something valuable during what is likely to be a lean patch (what with WS coming in in 2012).

Anyway, before I get too ahead of myself, perhaps a sweetener, a fringe player like Buchanan, for example, could be included to make the deal happen.

 

[bodazoka]

NO WAY!!

Pick 6 = The Devils Curse..*
Pick 7 = The Shining Light of Jesus..*






*Pick descriptions may be a tad over exadurated

 

[roowatch]

Don't expect Orreal to be around much longer!

 

[Embers]

We have a pick before you in the pre-season draft... If we want we can just heavily front end his contract (We have space in the cap remember) and scare away everyone else...

You will be lucky to get a third round pick...

I still hope someone else takes him

We wont trade for a third rounder. Maybe upgrade our 3rd rounder to your 2nd rounder. If we trade for your 3rd rounder it means we are gonna have to delist a contracted player to use it. Its just not gonna happen. It actually cant happen.

 

[bodazoka]

we might look to on trading that 3rd rounder Embers.

 

[swanton]

Could someone tell me what would happen if the following took place:

sydney offered their 3rd rounder for seaby at $333,000

hawthorn offered thier 2nd rounder at $250,000

so pretty much hawthorn would be WC preferred option and sydney would be seaby's option

so does seaby (as an uncrontracted player) have any rights to tell WC that he wants to join sydney or does he have to go wherever WC get the best deal

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Could someone tell me what would happen if the following took place:

sydney offered their 3rd rounder for seaby at $333,000

hawthorn offered thier 2nd rounder at $250,000

so pretty much hawthorn would be WC preferred option and sydney would be seaby's option

so does seaby (as an uncrontracted player) have any rights to tell WC that he wants to join sydney or does he have to go wherever WC get the best deal

For a trade to go ahead - all 3 parties must agree.

So in that case - Seaby would more than likely go in the PSD and nominate his salary of $1M.

The first team to accept that price gets him - in this scenario that would be Sydney

 

[dajesmac]

Could someone tell me what would happen if the following took place:

sydney offered their 3rd rounder for seaby at $333,000

hawthorn offered thier 2nd rounder at $250,000

so pretty much hawthorn would be WC preferred option and sydney would be seaby's option

so does seaby (as an uncrontracted player) have any rights to tell WC that he wants to join sydney or does he have to go wherever WC get the best deal

I think it's more of a case of WCE getting the best deal. In the past, clubs still trade players who don't want to be moved.

What will happen though if WCE don't get a deal done, Seabs won't re-sign and will nominate for the PSD.

The thing stopping Sydney from copping out and refusing to trade so they can get him in the PSD is that theres a risk they won't get him first.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Could someone tell me what would happen if the following took place:

sydney offered their 3rd rounder for seaby at $333,000

hawthorn offered thier 2nd rounder at $250,000

so pretty much hawthorn would be WC preferred option and sydney would be seaby's option

so does seaby (as an uncrontracted player) have any rights to tell WC that he wants to join sydney or does he have to go wherever WC get the best deal

In that scenario, Seaby could refuse to agree to a trade with Hawthorn and, if the Eagles didn't sign up to the Sydney trade, go into the PSD with a $333K price on his head.

The only risk he'd run is that one of the five clubs with picks before Sydney would pick him up first, and since they'd still be paying him $333K I doubt he'd care.

 

[Empire_Persian]

Swan fans, how about this:

Seaby + McKinley + Pick 23 = Pick 6 ?

Seeing that O'Loughlin and Hall have buggered off, you need an immediate replacement in your forward line.


EDIT: cheers dajesmac

 

[dajesmac]

Swan fans, how about this:

Seaby + McKinley + Pick 23 = Pick 6 ?

Seeing that Mcloughlin and Hall have buggered off, you need an immediate replacement in your forward line.

O'Loughlin?

 

[swanton]

Swan fans, how about this:

Seaby + McKinley + Pick 23 = Pick 6 ?

Seeing that O'Loughlin and Hall have buggered off, you need an immediate replacement in your forward line.


EDIT: cheers dajesmac

i think in R14-15 we would have taken that deal, but now with the emergence of J White at FF and goodes as a roaming CHF with our 1st draft picks in 07 (vezpremi) and 08 (johnston) would slot into our forward line.

pretty sure we are looking for midfielders with excellent foot skills

 

[swanton]

So if a deal is not struck.

couldnt seaby nominate for the ND

put a price tag of $333,000

 

[Vader]

We wont trade for a third rounder. Maybe upgrade our 3rd rounder to your 2nd rounder. If we trade for your 3rd rounder it means we are gonna have to delist a contracted player to use it. Its just not gonna happen. It actually cant happen.

?????

It's several years now since the AFL removed the requirement to use picks received as a result of trades.

Then again, I don't see why you'd trade for a 3rd round pick but not use it.

 

[the doc]

Swan fans, how about this:

Seaby + McKinley + Pick 23 = Pick 6 ?



EDIT: take pick 23 out an replace it with 7 and the Swans might go for it

 

[BarneyBent]

Don't expect Orreal to be around much longer!

Why? Apparently, word from the horse's mouth is he'll be elevated at the end of this year, despite being eligible for a another year on the rookie list. Also, his form apparently took a great upward turn towards the end of the year, as he took on a bigger role as primary ruckman in the reserves (with Pyke and White playing seniors, and Currie injured).

 

[BarneyBent]

NO WAY!!

Pick 6 = The Devils Curse..*
Pick 7 = The Shining Light of Jesus..*






*Pick descriptions may be a tad over exadurated

Statistically speaking, pick 6 is due to be an absolute ripper!

 

[MaxHunt]

Will be insteresting to see what Seaby's value is on the Market. As mentioned in this thread ruckman do carry more value than most other players. Two examples are below;

2004
Darren Jolly
Was traded from MELBOURNE to SYDNEY for Pick 15.

Career before trade
Age: 23
Games: 48
Drafted: 2000 Rookie Draft #31

2007
Cameron Wood
Was traded from BRISBANE to COLLINGWOOD for Pick 14.

Career before trade
Age: 20
Games: 16
Drafted: 2004 #18

What about Seaby?



2009
Mark Seaby

Career before trade
Age: 25
Games: 102
Drafted: 2001 #22

 

[EagleMan87]

Were Wood and Jolly contracted when they were traded?

 

[MaxHunt]

Were Wood and Jolly contracted when they were traded?

Hmm not sure. I'll have a dig around.

 

[DST]

Swan fans, how about this:

Seaby + McKinley + Pick 23 = Pick 6 ?

Seeing that O'Loughlin and Hall have buggered off, you need an immediate replacement in your forward line.


EDIT: cheers dajesmac

Forward wise we are not looking too bad.

Goodes will now play the next 4 plus years forward, Jesse White while raw looks to be a suitable full forward, Vespremi has shown a lot of promise as mid sized forward (ala LeCra) and we have yet to unviel our KP forward first pick from last year Johnston who from the 6 games he played in the ressies before breaking his foot looked very good from all reports.

I just don't see us as going hard for a ruckman this year, with either an outside midfielder with good disposal skills or a KP defender more likely to excite us into a trade.

However Roos is on record as keeping our first and second pick this year (he said that last year and kept his word) so I don't see us trading for either a ruckman or being in a position to lure the type of midfielder or KP defender we need with our third pick.

DST

 

[BarneyBent]

Will be insteresting to see what Seaby's value is on the Market. As mentioned in this thread ruckman do carry more value than most other players. Two examples are below;

2004
Darren Jolly
Was traded from MELBOURNE to SYDNEY for Pick 15.

Career before trade
Age: 23
Games: 48
Drafted: 2000 Rookie Draft #31

2007
Cameron Wood
Was traded from BRISBANE to COLLINGWOOD for Pick 14.

Career before trade
Age: 20
Games: 16
Drafted: 2004 #18

What about Seaby?



2009
Mark Seaby

Career before trade
Age: 25
Games: 102
Drafted: 2001 #22

Seaby's age will count against him. Jolly had shown a bit, and was only 23. Wood was only 20 and had shown plenty for a 20 year old. Seaby has shown bits and pieces, but by 25 should have cemented his spot in his side, which he quite simply hasn't. When Jolly and Wood were drafted, they were drafted as potential stars. Seaby will never get to that point. The best he'll be is a solid second ruckman, and that would require an improvement from his current form. So yeah, there's no way he'll attract that sort of attention.

 

[DST]

Don't expect Orreal to be around much longer!

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm?

As I understand it, he has been offered a rookie elevation and a spot on the senior list.

Not sure where you are coming from.

DST