Opinion Sydney Swans Academy and Rebuild

[SM]

And we'd have taken some of the players you got.... making it a nil all draw.

Well no, because Gulden wouldn't be playing AFL.

 

[BloodySwan]

And we'd have taken some of the players you got.... making it a nil all draw.

Yep, just like Essendon targeted Caldwell grabbing a first round pick for 2 garbage second round selections

 

[boncer34]

Well no, because Gulden wouldn't be playing AFL.

Isn't the argument remove Sydney's right to academy players not remove the academies all together?

 

[boncer34]

Yep, just like Essendon targeted Caldwell grabbing a first round pick for 2 garbage second round selections

Yeah...... oooook.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

I support WC and I don't support special academy rules for WC (or Freo).

Of course not because the amount of talent you produce in volume is so far ahead on what we produce, you would have priority to all these players in just 2 drafts.

2019
Luke Jackson
Liam Henry
Georgiades
Elijah Taylor
Chad Warner

2020
Logan Mcdonald
DGB
Health Chapman
Nathan O'Driscoll
Caleb Poulter

 

[Sphynx]

Yep, just like Essendon targeted Caldwell grabbing a first round pick for 2 garbage second round selections

Or Sydney recruiting a former Rising Star winner with pick 48.

Trading isn't exclusive to Victorian clubs.

Brisbane have recruited Charlie Cameron, Lachie Neale and Joe Danniher in the previous 4 seasons.

 

[SM]

Isn't the argument remove Sydney's right to academy players not remove the academies all together?

If the academies didn't exist, Essendon, North & Carlton would still be a basket case

Nope.

 

[Sphynx]

Nope.

6-9 months certainly is a long time in football considering the "basket case" finished a whole 1 position lower on the ladder last season than Sydney.

 

[BloodySwan]

Or Sydney recruiting a former Rising Star winner with pick 48.

Trading isn't exclusive to Victorian clubs.

Brisbane have recruited Charlie Cameron, Lachie Neale and Joe Danniher in the previous 4 seasons.

wot?

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

wot?

I think he means we recruited Lewis Taylor who is probably going to be delisted end of this year

 

[BloodySwan]

I think he means we recruited Lewis Taylor who is probably going to be delisted end of this year

Just don't get how us recruiting a guy who can't make our 22 has anything to do with Swans matching for academy picks

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Oh right.

Last time I checked Sydney made an operating loss of $6m last year and are $1.5m in debt to the AFL.

Not poor old North.

Players are quite literally sacrificing millions of dollars to not play at North.

 

[Sphynx]

Players are quite literally sacrificing millions of dollars to not play at North.

Yeah I understand, but tell me again how that will force us into extinction?

Maybe we need an academy to offset the fact we can't recruit players and compete with 3rd party sponsorship deals.

 

[Shadow89]

I actually said Aliir for Campbell was too cheap.....

Remove top 20 bidding, needs to be removed for all including F/S

There it is, end thread. Me and the Swans OP have been saying this for the past 47 pages loll.

That's all that needs to happen. It really is quite simple and equitable across the board if ALL academy players face the same changes.

This should be the reasonable position that most supporters can agree on - without getting into a sh*tfight. Seems, however, that it's still being turned into a war over a whole raft of other unrelated issues - to justify the change.

 

[Tedeski]

No, because they can't?

They can!

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Yeah I understand, but tell me again how that will force us into extinction?

Maybe we need an academy to offset the fact we can't recruit players and compete with 3rd party sponsorship deals.

Move to Tassie and you can have one. This argument is getting circular.

 

[Sphynx]

They can!

Yeah, how exactly?

They don't own the clubs and the clubs are the stakeholders of the league.

AFL clubs can veto any AFL commission decision with 2/3 majority vote.

If they simply could, we would be the Gold Coast Kangaroo's right now.

 

[citizen-erased]

Heeney, Mills, Gulden and Campbell really isn't so much to be crying about.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

For arguments sake, what is the equivalent percentage of NSW born players at the Swans/GWS, SA born for PTA/ADE, etc.? Presumably they're at a similar level? (At least, for Adelaide and Perth I assume so).

Of course not.

I just like it if we're have a discussion that we use facts, not guesses or sweeping statements that paint a false picture.

That's not too much to ask, is it?

 

[Shadow89]

To digress, I'm sorry, but even Swans supporters have to admit that Andrew Pridham is just a terrible human being.

This is such a horrible, disingenuous, poorly thought-out comment:

"We have outrageously rookied a kid like Sam Wicks who no one else picked. Go figure. As for Geelong if you talk about advantages, my god they have (Patrick) Dangerfield, Jeremy Cameron

5

Jeremy Cameron

Age

31

Ht

196cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.6

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.0

5star

, (Gary) Rohan, (Isaac) Smith, they are in a town that houses the Geelong Falcons. They have players keen to play there and it’s so cheap to live there. They are spending 300 bucks a week to live in an eight-bedroom house. The bottom line is it has never been a level playing field"

**********************************

'300 bucks a week to live in an eight bedroom house' - are you f*cking kidding me? What, he thinks that Victoria is some cheap, affordable, utopian paradise of cheap properties, lol? Last I checked, the whole if Australia was outlandishly overpriced - not just Sydney.

It disturbs me just how strong and emotional his reaction his - when he doesnt even talk about how we didn't get any of those players until the latter half of their careers, we gave up draft collateral to get them when we did, and even though they played for the Falcons originally, we had no priority access due to that fact.

God I hate that man. Rest of the Swans management is actually pretty good, but Pridham and his investment banker 'give everything to me' attitude, is just disgusting.

 

[Sphynx]

To digress, I'm sorry, but even Swans supporters have to admit that Andrew Pridham is just a terrible human being.

This is such a horrible, disingenuous, poorly thought-out comment:

"We have outrageously rookied a kid like Sam Wicks who no one else picked. Go figure. As for Geelong if you talk about advantages, my god they have (Patrick) Dangerfield, Jeremy Cameron, (Gary) Rohan, (Isaac) Smith, they are in a town that houses the Geelong Falcons. They have players keen to play there and it’s so cheap to live there. They are spending 300 bucks a week to live in an eight-bedroom house. The bottom line is it has never been a level playing field"

**********************************

'300 bucks a week to live in an eight bedroom house' - are you f*cking kidding me? What, he thinks that Victoria is some cheap, affordable, utopian paradise of cheap properties, lol? Last I checked, the whole if Australia was outlandishly overpriced - not just Sydney.

It disturbs me just how strong and emotional his reaction his - when he doesnt even talk about how we didn't get any of those players until the latter half of their careers, we gave up draft collateral to get them when we did, and even though they played for the Falcons originally, we had no priority access due to that fact.

God I hate that man. Rest of the Swans management is actually pretty good, but Pridham and his investment banker 'give everything to me' attitude, is just disgusting.

The fish rots at the head.

 

[SM]

Of course not.

I just like it if we're have a discussion that we use facts, not guesses or sweeping statements that paint a false picture.

That's not too much to ask, is it?

Of course not mate but I'm just struggling to see the important point you're making by singling out an arbitrary 90% figure used to point out Vic clubs have a large portion of their lists sourced locally as opposed to interstate clubs, when the reality is that it's 70 v 40 and still quite a difference. The essence of his point is unchanged by your factchecking isn't it?

 

[SM]

To digress, I'm sorry, but even Swans supporters have to admit that Andrew Pridham is just a terrible human being.

This is such a horrible, disingenuous, poorly thought-out comment:

"We have outrageously rookied a kid like Sam Wicks who no one else picked. Go figure. As for Geelong if you talk about advantages, my god they have (Patrick) Dangerfield, Jeremy Cameron, (Gary) Rohan, (Isaac) Smith, they are in a town that houses the Geelong Falcons. They have players keen to play there and it’s so cheap to live there. They are spending 300 bucks a week to live in an eight-bedroom house. The bottom line is it has never been a level playing field"

**********************************

'300 bucks a week to live in an eight bedroom house' - are you f*cking kidding me? What, he thinks that Victoria is some cheap, affordable, utopian paradise of cheap properties, lol? Last I checked, the whole if Australia was outlandishly overpriced - not just Sydney.

It disturbs me just how strong and emotional his reaction his - when he doesnt even talk about how we didn't get any of those players until the latter half of their careers, we gave up draft collateral to get them when we did, and even though they played for the Falcons originally, we had no priority access due to that fact.

God I hate that man. Rest of the Swans management is actually pretty good, but Pridham and his investment banker 'give everything to me' attitude, is just disgusting.

He's a terrible human being for employing hyperbole about how good Geelong have it? There's a few in here who could be slapped with that label then.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

To digress, I'm sorry, but even Swans supporters have to admit that Andrew Pridham is just a terrible human being.

This is such a horrible, disingenuous, poorly thought-out comment:

"We have outrageously rookied a kid like Sam Wicks who no one else picked. Go figure. As for Geelong if you talk about advantages, my god they have (Patrick) Dangerfield, Jeremy Cameron, (Gary) Rohan, (Isaac) Smith, they are in a town that houses the Geelong Falcons. They have players keen to play there and it’s so cheap to live there. They are spending 300 bucks a week to live in an eight-bedroom house. The bottom line is it has never been a level playing field"

**********************************

'300 bucks a week to live in an eight bedroom house' - are you f*cking kidding me? What, he thinks that Victoria is some cheap, affordable, utopian paradise of cheap properties, lol? Last I checked, the whole if Australia was outlandishly overpriced - not just Sydney.

It disturbs me just how strong and emotional his reaction his - when he doesnt even talk about how we didn't get any of those players until the latter half of their careers, we gave up draft collateral to get them when we did, and even though they played for the Falcons originally, we had no priority access due to that fact.

God I hate that man. Rest of the Swans management is actually pretty good, but Pridham and his investment banker 'give everything to me' attitude, is just disgusting.

Mate every 25yo WAG contemplating kids and lifestyle are into their fellas about getting a contract to Geelong. Good land, good schools, good lifestyle. They’re bonkers if they’re not.

Why the Demons aren’t playing the same card with Cranbourne is beyond me, although the schools aren’t as good. They should have been right into Papley and every other Gippsland kid.

Sydney (Bondi) is certainly attractive at the very top end but Geelong if they don’t stuff it up will continue to attract players in mid to late 20s due to lifestyle and cost of living factors.

 

[BloodySwan]

To digress, I'm sorry, but even Swans supporters have to admit that Andrew Pridham is just a terrible human being.

This is such a horrible, disingenuous, poorly thought-out comment:

"We have outrageously rookied a kid like Sam Wicks who no one else picked. Go figure. As for Geelong if you talk about advantages, my god they have (Patrick) Dangerfield, Jeremy Cameron, (Gary) Rohan, (Isaac) Smith, they are in a town that houses the Geelong Falcons. They have players keen to play there and it’s so cheap to live there. They are spending 300 bucks a week to live in an eight-bedroom house. The bottom line is it has never been a level playing field"

**********************************

'300 bucks a week to live in an eight bedroom house' - are you f*cking kidding me? What, he thinks that Victoria is some cheap, affordable, utopian paradise of cheap properties, lol? Last I checked, the whole if Australia was outlandishly overpriced - not just Sydney.

It disturbs me just how strong and emotional his reaction his - when he doesnt even talk about how we didn't get any of those players until the latter half of their careers, we gave up draft collateral to get them when we did, and even though they played for the Falcons originally, we had no priority access due to that fact.

God I hate that man. Rest of the Swans management is actually pretty good, but Pridham and his investment banker 'give everything to me' attitude, is just disgusting.

Wow you missed his point entirely. Do you really think pick 9 & Dean Gore was a fair trade for Danger?