Sydney's record in grand finals needs scrutinising

[wian]

Follow a team that has won zero Premierships and then Come back to me.

At least you can watch the 1990 and 2010 grand final moments on DVD or YouTube.

Rarely please you is better than never please you.

They are bloody hard to get into, and bloody hard to win them. I had to wait 38 years to see the dogs make a GF and win it. It's about putting yourself in the position to challenge over and over again.

 

[Cringle]

Geelong were just able to use the Blue Print from the quarter Carlton massacred Sydney in the 2nd Quarter of that clash.

It’s not rocket science.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Geelong were just able to use the Blue Print from the quarter Carlton massacred Sydney in the 2nd Quarter of that clash.

It’s not rocket science.

Did Carlton misplace the blueprint after that game?

 

[Freomaniac]

Geelong were just able to use the Blue Print from the quarter Carlton massacred Sydney in the 2nd Quarter of that clash.

It’s not rocket science.

So why didn't the swans use the blue print on how Freo beat the cats in Geelong?

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Excuse my ignorance but what is 15-2-44?

He's referring to Collingwood's Grand Final record, but he formatted it incorrectly.

15 wins, 2 draws, 27 losses = 44 Grand Finals

 

[Cringle]

Did Carlton misplace the blueprint after that game?

One of the new admin employees apparently deleted it accidentally without any saved copies.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Grand Final winning % (excluding replays)

Brisbane Lions = 3/4 (75.0%)
Melbourne = 13/18 (72.2%)
Hawthorn = 13/19 (68.4%)
Adelaide = 2/3 (66.7%)
Fitzroy = 8/13 (61.5%)
West Coast = 4/7 (57.1%)
Carlton = 16/29 (55.2%)
Richmond = 13/24 (54.2%)
Geelong = 10/19 (52.6%)
Essendon = 14/28 (50.0%) - 1897 and 1924 didn't have a GF.
Western Bulldogs = 2/4 (50.0%)
Port Adelaide = 1/2 (50.0%)
North Melbourne = 4/9 (44.4%)
Collingwood = 15/42 (35.7%)
Sydney = 5/18 (27.8%) - includes South Melbourne record
St Kilda = 1/7 (14.3%)
Fremantle = 0/1 (0.0%)
GWS = 0/1 (0.0%)

Not trying to kick the Swans while they're down, but it's always surprised me this record doesn't get talked about more in the media compared to Collingwood and St Kilda for example.

 

[kickazz]

I dunno it's easy to hang shit in them from the cheap seats.

It's a great effort to get there and sometimes it isn't your day. I recon they looked shot in the second half of last week to be honest. They came up against a good Geelong side who for once were very healthy come September.

Kudos to them for generally being constantly competitive over the last couple of decades. How about some scrutiny on the 16 clubs that were worse than them this year?

 

[wian]

I think all clubs should be able to count premierships from all their history since their inception. The logic would be that you can only play in the competition you are in at the time. So in the dogs case, they would be 11 wins, 7 losses I think.

Carlton is around 22 premierships , but Port Adelaide has the most by far from Memory around 35.

St Kilda's record is the most tragic, especially when you count the wooden spoons too

 

[Sky]

St Kilda's record is the most tragic, especially when you count the wooden spoons too

St Kilda shouldn’t even exist in all honesty. In 125 years the Saints have won as many finals as Joel Selwood in his 16 seasons.

 

[gianytee]

This is just my opinion but Swans pre Buddy just seemed like a team that would give you 200% all day. Not the most talented players but never got smashed cause they gave everything. Like in 2012 I felt hawks were a much stronger team but credit go the swans they got it done.

Since they got Buddy there like the opposite a team full of star players that when the heat comes on they just can’t stand the heat. It’s not just GF too

• QF loss to Giants in 16
• EF loss to GWS last year
• SF loss to Roos in 15
• GWS destroying them in I think 18 in a EF

Just a complete 180 to me. I think they missed Kennedy today even if he’s cooked guy Is one Swan who plays his best on big games. But then others like Heeney, Parker (felt he was ok today), Papley, Mills, Rampe these A grade players and leaders just haven’t seemed to stand up when the heats on in the way Bolton, O”Keefe, Hanners, Goodes, Malceski all seemed to do in their era.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

St Kilda shouldn’t even exist in all honesty. In 125 years the Saints have won as many finals as Joel Selwood in his 16 seasons.

I honestly don't know which way to swing with that. How incredible is Joel Selwood and how ******* pathetic are St Kilda?

 

[Sky]

I honestly don't know which way to swing with that. How incredible is Joel Selwood and how ******* pathetic are St Kilda?

Here’s a list of teams that Joel Selwood is better than:

 

[Carringbush2010]

Excuse my ignorance but what is 15-2-44?

15 wins 2 draws 44 Grand Finals 27 losses

 

[Carringbush2010]

Follow a team that has won zero Premierships and then Come back to me.

At least you can watch the 1990 and 2010 grand final moments on DVD or YouTube.

Rarely please you is better than never please you.

But Freo rarely if ever tease you.

 

[Carringbush2010]

2-*2-9 in my lifetime, and I won't count the year I was born (which of course is another loss)

*77,77,79,80,81,90,02,03,*10,10,11,18

I'm sure you'd know, losing GF's is more painful than winning the spoon (I know both), now amplify that pain x9.

Does the term forever tease but rarely please mean anything to you?

He's referring to Collingwood's Grand Final record, but he formatted it incorrectly.

15 wins, 2 draws, 27 losses = 44 Grand Finals

Apologies

 

[Freomaniac]

But Freo never tease you.

remind me of how many flags freo has won?

 

[Carringbush2010]

remind me of how many flags freo has won?

I can also remind you of the 27 GF losses for my mob,9 of which I've witnessed.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Grand Final winning % (excluding replays)

Brisbane Lions = 3/4 (75.0%)
Melbourne = 13/18 (72.2%)
Hawthorn = 13/19 (68.4%)
Adelaide = 2/3 (66.7%)
Fitzroy = 8/13 (61.5%)
West Coast = 4/7 (57.1%)
Carlton = 16/29 (55.2%)
Richmond = 13/24 (54.2%)
Geelong = 10/19 (52.6%)
Essendon = 14/28 (50.0%) - 1897 and 1924 didn't have a GF.
Western Bulldogs = 2/4 (50.0%)
Port Adelaide = 1/2 (50.0%)
North Melbourne = 4/9 (44.4%)
Collingwood = 15/42 (35.7%)
Sydney = 5/18 (27.8%) - includes South Melbourne record
St Kilda = 1/7 (14.3%)
Fremantle = 0/1 (0.0%)
GWS = 0/1 (0.0%)

Not trying to kick the Swans while they're down, but it's always surprised me this record doesn't get talked about more in the media compared to Collingwood and St Kilda for example.

So what does it look like IF we include replays?

 

[Cuzz09]

Here’s a list of teams that Joel Selwood is better than:
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you forgot Gold Coast

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[mcgarnacle]

Ummm, wow.

So they're 3-8 and 2-5, overall 5-13

Here's a figure for you op if you want to 'scrutinize' a club

15-2-44. Pretty sure you'll work it out.

Not even sure how this is a thread.

Still a better GF winning record than Sydney. Only just.

As a clubs, they’re both poor returns but the record of a team in 1945 doesn’t have any relevance to 2014 or even 2022.

Melbourne and Hawthorn have great strike rates in GF’s but much of those are the most dominant teams in any eras.

 

[The Final Word]

u gotta be a great side to beat Geelong in GFs

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Jokes aside Hawks 80's, Eagles early 90's, Blues 1995 and Tigers 2020 were all great sides and Hawks 2008 would soon become one with most of the same players.

 

[Cuzz09]

Also people forget despite Geelong losing those GFs in the late 80s/early 90s they were so exciting and attacking.

92 they were insane. Kicked 25-30+ a few times.

Just we were so good defensively and could at worst break even in the middle we matched up well v them and Matera dancing around the G helped

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[PerthBoy86]

Grand Final winning % (excluding replays)

Brisbane Lions = 3/4 (75.0%)
Melbourne = 13/18 (72.2%)
Hawthorn = 13/19 (68.4%)
Adelaide = 2/3 (66.7%)
Fitzroy = 8/13 (61.5%)
West Coast = 4/7 (57.1%)
Carlton = 16/29 (55.2%)
Richmond = 13/24 (54.2%)
Geelong = 10/19 (52.6%)
Essendon = 14/28 (50.0%) - 1897 and 1924 didn't have a GF.
Western Bulldogs = 2/4 (50.0%)
Port Adelaide = 1/2 (50.0%)
North Melbourne = 4/9 (44.4%)
Collingwood = 15/42 (35.7%)
Sydney = 5/18 (27.8%) - includes South Melbourne record
St Kilda = 1/7 (14.3%)
Fremantle = 0/1 (0.0%)
GWS = 0/1 (0.0%)

Not trying to kick the Swans while they're down, but it's always surprised me this record doesn't get talked about more in the media compared to Collingwood and St Kilda for example.

I had no idea it was that bad. I knew Sydneys GF record was bad but didnt know about South's.

 

[Sky]

you forgot Gold Coast

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I forgot nobody. They are just that irrelevant that they never played a final and weren’t on the table