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The 2011 Summer Transfer Rumors - part 2
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TheBrownDog
Do you have an example of us refusing to sell a player that wasn't considered a first teamer?
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You're still calling me a moron? Go re-read your own posts, champ, you're an embarrassment. First you say Liverpool are 'certainties' to finish top 4 after one half against Sunderland, then you backtrack on Meireles and now you're taking the 'feeder club' remark seriously? Jesus.
When you say 'best CM in the league', I hope you're referring to Gerrard, and not your actual central midfield in general. At best, your midfield is 4th best, well behind Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs. Meireles would start every game at Liverpool with ease.
Also pretty funny how you still think Meireles is one of the best CM in the league, yet think £15m is a 'great' deal. Fabregas was sold for £35m and Modric could have been sold for even more. Considering they were easily two of the best, then you got destroyed in the Meireles deal.
and you think the significance of the Joe Cole free transfer even comes close to you selling your best striker and arguably your best midfielder?
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I hate to stick up for the idiot, but Bellamy.
moomba
TheBrownDog
Who made us an offer to buy Bellend?
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Seriously?
We were in for him in the Summer of 2010, you refused, and shipped him to Cardiff for a worse deal.
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Brighton just signed former Valencia winger Vicente.
Appartently he's quite handy when fit. Seems to have a very good pedigree.
Appartently he's quite handy when fit. Seems to have a very good pedigree.
moomba
TheBrownDog
Does Arry saying someone is a triffic player constitute an offer nowadays.
You were "rumoured" to be interested in a loan deal, he left the club on a loan deal. Move along, nothing to see.
Some interesting reading for today anyway.
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-n...ntos-blasts-tottenham-blocking-sevilla-switch
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No, but Arry going on about how City simply refuse to do business with us certainly implies City didn't want to sell him to us at the time.
as for Giovani, glad to see he still plans on taking his chance, assuming he gets it. I was disgusted when we passed on Bryan Ruiz and I think it's going to come back and bite us on the arse like Suarez and Cavani, but with Gio staying, it could work out given the talent he has. Only a matter of whether the media whore decides to play him over Lennon.
Wouldn't be writing off United just yet. Yeah, we didn't play as stronger Arsenal side as the one Liverpool faced but we made up for that by beating them by six goals. I agree that it's Chelsea, City and United hunting the trophy. Liverpool thereabouts but just won't be able to keep up. Plus you know they'll drop some ****ing silly games somewhere in the season.
I think we lack a genuine title-winning central midfield but that's about it. I have faith in De Ga to fit into this side over time.
I think we lack a genuine title-winning central midfield but that's about it. I have faith in De Ga to fit into this side over time.
moomba
TheBrownDog
Yeah, cause 'Onest 'Arry tells the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth all the time.
Triffic.
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Right now you had an offer for Tevez who is no longer a first team starter for you guys who has said that he wants to leave the club. Corinthians put in a reasonable offer but wanted to pay the transfer fee over installments (common practice these days). But no, Sheikh Mansour wanted all of the cash up front (not like he isn't short of the odd quid anyway). That's a pretty clear cut example of refusing to sell a player. Joining City is the worst possible thing for a professional footballer if it doesn't work out. City don't care about paying your wages and having you train with the reserve team. They'll just make you sit out your contract.
I think he is talking about the whole Jerome Boateng saga. Playing the big bully to a player who refused to train and was never a true squad member was a bit cringeworthy to watch in all honesty
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TheBrownDog
Eh!!!!
He never refused to train, and I'm not sure where you get the idea he was never a true squad member. He made 24 appearances in between two long term injuries.
And how were we playing the bully.
Bayern offered £8m, we wanted more and they were prepared to pay more. He was sold so I'm not sure how that means we're refusing to sell a player who isn't part of the first team.
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Oh dear, that is about the most inaccurate sentence I've ever read on here.
1 - Tevez certainly is an important player, he's been on the bench because he's only been back in training for a few weeks. Is Andy Carroll no longer a first team player? Why aren't you selling him?
2 - Corinthians put in an offer £40m which was based on a small upfront payment, and then the balance in installments when their TV deal came through. This was accepted by us, but we wanted a bank guarantee that we would get the rest of the money eventually. Corinthians couldn't provide it. Never did we demand the payment up front.
3 - We have moved on most of the players that aren't in the managers plans. Only Bridge and Onuoha remain and they could move in the next week. Our premier league squad has 24 people in it (including a 4th keeper, Bridge and Onuoha). There is not one senior player at our club who has missed out on the premier league or champions league squad. Not one. So how are we stockpiling players?
4 - We've never forced anyone to sit out their contract, in fact we've tried the opposite as there is no point keeping people at the club if they are not going to play.
Every credible source has said City refused to deal with Spurs last transfer window. It annoyed me but Spurs just did it to Chelsea with Modric. Lunacy to hand your rivals players.
He flew to Germany and refused to come back at one stage. You also changed the definition from first 11 to squad member. He certainly wasnt in the starting team otherwise he wouldnt of left.
Im only going by what Bayern Munich said. Refusing to take bids, accusing them of tapping up etc. If thats not playing the bully then what is?
moomba
TheBrownDog
It was the off season.
You said that he was never a true squad member. Embers was wrong.
The club have stated that they have never refused a phone call from Bayern Munich over Boateng. And they've never accused them of tapping up (I have, perhaps thats where you are confused).
That was Boatengs words not mine. He said he was being used out of position in order to fit him into the squad and that if the club werent going to play him at CB he had no future with the club
Boateng was as much a squad member as Jo was really
moomba
TheBrownDog
Did or did you not refuse to sell him before a deal was finally struck?
Thats the point your trying to refute is it not.
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TheBrownDog
It's been so long I've forgotten what point I was trying to refute.
If the accusation is that we refuse to accept the first offer that comes our way even if it is below valuation then yes, we're guilty as charged.
If the accusation is that we are refusing to sell unwanted players so we can have them train in the reserves no-one is yet to find an example of this.
Refusing to sell unwanted players training with the reserves is a bit like me refusing to sell my used underwear is it not. You got to have a bidder/buyer to sell an item and a bit like my used underwear I dont see people lining up around the block to buy or purchase guys like Wayne Bridge and Roque Santa Cruz.
Peoples problem is the club not buying them out of there contracts more then anything. Give them a pay off and let them be someone elses problem. Seems to be a bit of a pride/ego thing to keep guys like Santa Cruz/Bridge around the club as opposed to a management thing
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Why buy a player out of his contract when we can loan them out and save money?
Let's say Real Betis are paying £20k a week of RSC's contract. Thats worth a £1m us. If Bridge goes to West Ham we could be saving a similar amount.
Again, people whinge that we're spending money that we don't earn but they seem to complain about everything we do to make/save money.
Buying a player out of a contract is cheaper then loaning them out, especially for players of the ilk of Santa Cruz and Bridge who could earn half of there current wages now by signing elsewhere on a free.
Assuming West Ham get rid of Ilunga, Bridge is 100% definetly coming on loan it seems. Considering we lumped Parkers 70k off because it was too much to pay (Sullivan was going to personally finance Parkers wages if he stayed) and Bridge is on say 90k a week how much of that do you think we would be willing to actually pay. If Bridge comes I doubt we are paying more then 40k a week leaving you to pick up the extra 50k a week. Im sure if you just offered him 25-30k for each week of his contract that remains he would accept, walk off and sign for a team like Everton on a free.
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