List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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Key Dates

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• Oct 17 to Nov 8: Pick swap window
• Nov 1 to Nov 8: Delisted free agency period
• Nov 20-21: Telstra AFL Draft
• Nov 22: Telstra Pre-Season Draft and Rookie Draft

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• 6 Main list
• 1 Rookie list

Current Draft Picks

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• Main Draft - 12,26,73,81,99
• Rookie Draft - 3

Recent News
• Luke Edwards delisted after deciding to step away from football due to ongoing concussion symptoms

 

[Monocle]

100% and if Obeanie1 wants to label us bedwetters then so be it.

We done ****ed up the Baker trade.

We botched the TB trade, we could have got pick 14 for Tommy, forwarded it to Richmond and still have pick 3.

 

[No Hassle Hough]

And by way of contrast, that year pick 3 was Angus Brayshaw.

That’s why you don’t trade away pick 3 when you have it.

Massive drop off in quality going from low single digit numbers to double digit.

No matter what spin the Club try’s to manufacture and tell us - trading out pick 3 for 12 and 14 was an absolutely fu(king stupid move.

As much as I do like Travaglia or Allen and Lindsay…….. it pails into insignificance compared to how much I prefer to be picking from FOS, Draper and Smith.

Just saying.

Yep, pretty depressing really.

To think we are picking in the same zone as Port (who finished in the top 4).

Is there much of a drop off between 12 and 18 - 22? Are we better off swapping with Sydney to get two role players instead of 1.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Luke Urquhart Draft Profile

Explosive East Fremantle midfielder Luke Urquhart is a dominant clearance winner who proved he can match it with the best in 2024.

central.rookieme.com

Really feel this guy is a Diamond in the Rough.

2 things Holding him back .

1 . Hip issues had surgery and played water polo for many years which destroys you hips .

2 . He is a massive FIGJAM .

 

[mat11]

How in the hell did we not even ask for a f2 or later pick coming back to us after giving 14 for baker. Mind boggling stuff.

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[Bestbird]

We botched the TB trade, we could have got pick 14 for Tommy, forwarded it to Richmond and still have pick 3.

Really depends on how Hawthorn go next year

 

[eaglevision]

Agree it makes sense, I just wouldn't plan on it or get the hopes up unless we actually hear anything about it.

Tangentially, I wonder if there's some sort of implicit jostling between us and Port; keep hearing reports about them being into the same players as us (Travaglia, Hynes, maybe Hotton), and there's also rumours they're trying to move up to pick 10/11.

It was moreso to comment on players around those picks rather than just 12,26,73 but it’s very much a trade that’s on the cards provided Clarke stays out of it.

Port would definitely be looking at TT to replace Houston. Be interesting to see what they are prepared to pay with 13 to get to 8-10. Might be another Tigers bloodbath if it’s 10/11.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

We botched the TB trade, we could have got pick 14 for Tommy, forwarded it to Richmond and still have pick 3.

Feel we did well out of the TB trade though.

But agree in the sense that I kind of want to have a low pick next year which is likely at the expense of us being good

 

[KERRPOW]

Feel we did well out of the TB trade though.

But agree in the sense that I kind of want to have a low pick next year which is likely at the expense of us being good

we will if they finish bottom 6

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Either way, it's all the more reason why we should pony up a couple future picks (Hawks F2/F3, Our F2/F3) to get back into the top 30 this year and grab another selection. Lots still to like in the 25-40 range.

Keyser's suggestion with Essendons picks looks a no brainer.


I'm still baffled we handed over 63 and 68 in that dumb Baker/Owies trade as well. As if we hadn't coughed up enough.

I see what you are doing there, bringing ponying up into on Melbourne cup day!

 

[Hoskin300]

I think the focus needs to be on quality rather than "filling a need". There's no point stocking the midfield with B graders because "we need midfielders". We need elite midfielders (It's not the same thing).

Allan might end up like Jordan Dawson. Or Dom Sheed. I don't buy that he's a HBF. I think he's either an A grade or B grade mid.

I'd rather take Lindsay. It's early in our build, but if he hangs around until we get good, could punish a lot of teams. I think he's likely to offer more quality.

Unfortunately at our pick we are not getting guaranteed quality. We gave that up. I like Lindsay more but dont think hes much better talent wise.

 

[Dark Sharks]

I'm starting to think Carroll won't be joining our team as a DFA boiz.

 

[squashface]

I'm starting to think Carroll won't be joining our team as a DFA boiz.

Is there any benefit to signing someone as a DFA over leaving a spot free and getting them as a train on to maybe be an SSP signing?

I’d rather get a look at them in training first given before committing a list spot given they are ultimately discarded players.

 

[Monocle]

Really depends on how Hawthorn go next year

Feel we did well out of the TB trade though.

But agree in the sense that I kind of want to have a low pick next year which is likely at the expense of us being good

I don’t disagree with what you are saying.
The raft of picks ( if we keep them ) that we have going into the 2025 draft is outstanding and I rate it A-.
It’s just that we have sacrificed the here and now by not getting a better range of picks this year
Our draft hand this year is a D+.

That said I do hope we keep both our current First Rounders for 2025, because as it stands at the minute I do like Rodriguez and Curtin that I believe ( this far out ) should be in the range for the two firsts that we will hold next year.

Plus we have the benefit of being able to plan and shape our draft knowing that we have access to Banfield F/S and Walley and Evans through the NGA.

So talent wise and numerically, we go short in this years draft and go long in next.

I can live with that.

McQualter has had input into our strategy, but he will need to show genuine improvement in seasons, 2026 and 2027.

He has three years IMO, to secure his long term tenure, so if he has fluffed this trade draft period he only has himself to blame, as it will make things more difficult down the track.
That said I get why he would want Baker and Graham to help him implement a new game plan to the group.

Probably and in all fairness, no correct way to make the assessment but in hindsight at the end of the 2027 season.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Unfortunately at our pick we are not getting guaranteed quality. We gave that up. I like Lindsay more but dont think hes much better talent wise.

Top 5 = best bulls or balanced mids
Top 1-10 = best KPF
Top 5-15 = best KPD, SF, outside mid

We gave up the chance to get the best bull/balanced mid. Why use pick 12 to get the 10th best bull/balanced mid? Why not use pick 12 to get the best outside mid?

My question on Lindsay is, is he going to be able to play when our contested ball is shit? My question on Bro Allen is, is he going to be good enough at all? Or will he be that guy who wins a heap of contests but has average disposal and average decision making?

I don't have a crystal ball, but at pick 12 I'd be taking Lindsay and using #3 next year for top mid or Chaddles.

 

[JackOutback]

I'm starting to think Carroll won't be joining our team as a DFA boiz.

But DGB is still a possibility, yes?

 

[Obeanie1]

They prob should but if I'm them I'm getting 2 mids this year then trading out Oliver for a first round pick next year before he goes walkabout and they lose all his capital. Hopefully shanahan and trainor get picked before our 12(15) that leaves us some handy mid sliders

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Melbourne won't get much at the trade table for Oliver with his baggage.

Even after paying half his salary.

 

[Obeanie1]

Top 5 = best bulls or balanced mids
Top 1-10 = best KPF
Top 5-15 = best KPD, SF, outside mid

We gave up the chance to get the best bull/balanced mid. Why use pick 12 to get the 10th best bull/balanced mid? Why not use pick 12 to get the best outside mid?

My question on Lindsay is, is he going to be able to play when our contested ball is shit? My question on Bro Allen is, is he going to be good enough at all? Or will he be that guy who wins a heap of contests but has average disposal and average decision making?

I don't have a crystal ball, but at pick 12 I'd be taking Lindsay and using #3 next year for top mid or Chaddles.

What picks were Barrass and Gov taken?

Sam Taylor at GWS?

Top KP defenders often get taken in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

I have to rely on you guys for draft intel. But haw is a decent athlete with the best hands in the draft going to be there at 45 as some suggest.

Bad kick and a dodgy hip, & a West Australian. The later point is relevant when you look at where Goss is in this draft.

It's not stacked for inside talent either.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Trade a F3 for a 3rd round pick this year and pick up Clancy Dennis .

195cms , U18s AA KPD and had a fantastic year in the colts

Is a McGovern clone in how he intercepts and kicks .

We always do well picking local KPDs in this range and being a WA boy having to sit in the wafl developing for a couple of years isn't as much of a big deal .

 

[RanaNaved]

Xavier Lindsay is getting slept on I feel.
He comfortably sits in the top group of mids imo.

Looks the best (maybe Jagga is on par tbf) of the lot on the outside, but also averaged more clearances at the Champs than Draper and Ashcroft.
If you take out his two injury impacted CTL matches, he averages 25 possessions, which is more than FOS, Smillie, Lalor and equal with Langford.

Morrish medallist, AA and a captain in waiting.

 

[Knifey Spoony]

Huge hypothetical, but if Hotton did not injure his ACL where do you all think he would be picked?

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Huge hypothetical, but if Hotton did not injure his ACL where do you all think he would be picked?

Top 10

 

[mattyc75]

Huge hypothetical, but if Hotton did not injure his ACL where do you all think he would be picked?

He was having a great season before the injury. Top 10

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[eaglevision]

Huge hypothetical, but if Hotton did not injure his ACL where do you all think he would be picked?

9-12 IMO, but hard to make that projection without seeing much of his top age year due to injury.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Is there any benefit to signing someone as a DFA over leaving a spot free and getting them as a train on to maybe be an SSP signing?

I’d rather get a look at them in training first given before committing a list spot given they are ultimately discarded players.

I feel ya, only it's not like he's a random 18yr old who missed the draft or some obscure state player we know nothing about.

The bloke has been in the AFL system for 4 years, played games against WCE, was from WA originally and there's 10 min highlight packages of his breakout season at AFL level on Youtube.

Surely if we've "flagged our interest" we've already seen enough of the bloke to skip him training with the boiz for a few weeks like that's supposed to show us something. What new thing does he do at training that's so impressive?