Star Wars The Acolyte

[Exe Gesis]

"Torbin being the turning point for the conflict makes no sense. The Jedi council and his master said leave the kids and return home. Torbin was also overwrought with homesickness. Yet he races off on his speeder to get the kids.

 

[Exe Gesis]

"Why would Torbin also race off to get evidence (grab the kids) when he already had all the evidence with midichloran blood samples?"

 

[FlowersByIrene]

This episode lost me a bit. Too much time spent on scenes we'd already seen or adding new scenes with little value. With only one episode left this felt a bit wasted.

It was a bit like looking at one of those "spot the differences" games. What was actually different in the Mae / Oaha part. Like obviously we see what the Jedi were doing while it happened. But wasn't the Mae and Osha interaction and then Sol finding them identical?

 

[Frank Bunn]

Ok episode watched

Pointless episode, just showing again a previous flashback episode but this time with the other side told. Theres been no real mystery/thriller to the show, so they couldve just showed the one flashback episode showing the full story, either early or late in the season....just no point screening the same flashback episode twice in the season.

They spent most of the time repeating what we already saw in the previous prequel episode. One episode long flashback was already a poor choice structurally but two episodes of the same thing for no gain is very shoddy writing.

Momma One turning into a cloud then Sol stabbing her didn't make any sense. But her ridiculous final words before she died redeemed the scene. I realised the show is meant as parody. When Trinity killed all the wailing witches I had to pause it as I was laughing too much.

But two things were confirmed (alternative POV debunked). It was Mae who set fire to the (stone!) fortress after threatening to kill her sister. And Torbin has no reason to feel so guilty about the events that he should commit suicide 16 years later.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

So in the final episode.. are we going to learn.

What the connection between Qmir and the witches is?
What's the connection between greenhead and these events?
What the connection between greenhead and Qmir
Why did Torbin kill himself?
Who killed Tanaca and why?
What the vergence means, was it investigated, how does it impact Phantom / Anakin
Who is Qmirs master?

A lot to resolve in what another 30 minute episode? I feel a lot of exposition dump happening or alternatively.... a cliff hanger which as I've previously said would be laughable

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Explain to me how they give this show $180m and they give Kenobi $90m

My only thoughts are this is an intentional humiliation ritual for Lesley Healdand to join the Hollywood elites or there is some sort of embezzlement or money laundering going on

 

[Brick Loosener]

And Torbin has no reason to feel so guilty about the events that he should commit suicide 16 years later.

Mae told him his parents were brother and sister.

 

[Royces Hart]

Mae told him his parents were brother and sister.

 

[Kellythatsit]

It was ok. Probably about the same consistency of storytelling as the other episodes. However in this episode you watch it. You think, “hmm interesting”. Then 10 minutes later you think “hmm that made no sense”. Probably most disappointing for me was that I actually considered its sister episode one of the best in the series.

Was pretty dissatisfied with the reasons for the Jedi going to the fortress. Sol’s strange and irrational insistence that the girls needed to be saved and Torbin’s homesick-boredness was a stupidly weak crux for the story to pivot on. If they’d spent a moment providing context and reasoning for both it could have been so much more impactful.

Probably Mother Aniseya remains the more interesting character in the series, aside from Qimir, but her death was just confusing. What was Sol even trying to do there? Was it his intention to kill her? The thing with the bridge was fine but are we to assume all the destruction was due to the fire Mae started? How did it all spread so quickly to wreak such havoc? Is there still more to the story?

I did like the overall themes of the episode and the discussion on the complex nature of it all. Good people trying to do good things without good information. The supposed infallibility of the Jedi again exposed by the nature of humanity. But it was all executed poorly in this episode and like others have said, I’m definitely concerned it’s left too much to wrap up.

I think the running time is a major problem with these episodes. There is no time for the scenes to breathe or build. Everything is chopped together to get the run time down under 40 minutes. If they added a few minutes onto some of the key scenes it would feel a lot less rushed and would allow for more context to be provided and less confusing.

Overall I’ve been keeping a positive mind on this series hoping it was all leading somewhere. But after this episode, and knowing there is only one left, I’m concerned it’s all going to come to disappointing and halting thud.

 

[Exe Gesis]

So in the final episode.. are we going to learn.

What the connection between Qmir and the witches is?
What's the connection between greenhead and these events?
What the connection between greenhead and Qmir
Why did Torbin kill himself?
Who killed Tanaca and why?
What the vergence means, was it investigated, how does it impact Phantom / Anakin
Who is Qmirs master?

A lot to resolve in what another 30 minute episode? I feel a lot of exposition dump happening or alternatively.... a cliff hanger which as I've previously said would be laughable

There's far too much there to somehow resolve in one 30 min episode.

Seeing all those threads of plot listed like that, it highlights that TA had far more potential to ve something better and more engaging if written and plotted out better. Instead, the show has been such a waste of time...as in the precious amount of screen time (7 x 30 mins, 210 mins worth of story, wasted and meandering away from itself.

I don't even think the show is going to bother resolving these things because it's so stupidly written. It's probably more likely they double up again on another flashback, more pointless treks in the forest or scenes at Coruacant.

I reckon any of us here could sit down for 30 mins and, using all the story material already in the show, we could re-arrange them into a more cohesive and more engaging mystery, a better chronology of 7 episodes.

The general writing has been poor, dialogue etc, but it couldve been looked over if the actual plotting of the story was done much better. That's where I feel this show has really been let down...the plotting/editing into episodes.

One huge money laundering scheme seems about right otherwise.

 

[glenferry23]

The character motivations and logic of their choices in this one was ridiculously poor. That’s my main takeaway reflecting on the episode last night. It’s almost unfathomable.

The sequence of Mother Aniyesa turning into a dark cloud, Sol stabbing her out of nowhere, the other witches just watching on idly, then him having a regretful look on his face and thus refusing to fight. Off the back of the padawan out of nowhere charging there on a speeder.

That sequence has earned its way into the growing list of “WTF did I just watch” moments in the Disney era.

 

[skam85]

Ok episode watched

Pointless episode, just showing again a previous flashback episode but this time with the other side told. Theres been no real mystery/thriller to the show, so they couldve just showed the one flashback episode showing the full story, either early or late in the season....just no point screening the same flashback episode twice in the season.

The truth of that incident therefore offers no real net gain. No mystery to solve, no big deal.

There are many problems with the story, the plot points. Not gonna retrace that, everyone critical of the show already recognizes those problems.

But I will say Im largely disappointed because it's just a blah story. The promise or hope was that ot would be dark and focus on the Sith side of things, day in the life. Instead, the shows been about the Jedi all over again, and silly twin story. No real meat to the bones. Just a shallow meh overarching story.

Theres been very little Sith focus. Just silly treks in the forest, silly Jedi council stuff, silly journeys, silly adventures, etc ...so much wasted or frivolous detail. Just fluff. No real direction or intrigue.

The ONLY thing positive about the show has been the cinematography and shot compositions thruout the season, have really enjoyed that.

Perfect summary here.

I've watched and will watch the final episode because I really wanted it to be good, but apart from one or two flashes of promise it hasn't.

What a waste of an episode, a lot of identical scenes to Ep 2 flashback and then just a few different POVs to fill in some blanks.

Jedi should be far more powerful than they are. Sol and co are parodies of Jedi, barely any force skills at all. And why did they have to painstakingly climb the wall into the witches' fortress? And if they did jedi force jump why can't this big budget show CGI Jedi jumping? Yes I know I'm going to be picked apart for that by the defenders but I'm not being pedantic, this is meant to be some $180m show but it looks fan made.

There's still time for the show to stick the landing but overall it's been very poor. For mine, the worst of the TV series.

BOBF was average but I'll always like how they fleshed out the Tusken Raiders, that was great.

 

[SM]

The character motivations and logic of their choices in this one was ridiculously poor. That’s my main takeaway reflecting on the episode last night. It’s almost unfathomable.

The sequence of Mother Aniyesa turning into a dark cloud, Sol stabbing her out of nowhere, the other witches just watching on idly, then him having a regretful look on his face and thus refusing to fight. Off the back of the padawan out of nowhere charging there on a speeder.

That sequence has earned its way into the growing list of “WTF did I just watch” moments in the Disney era.

Them yelling at Torbin was also jarring. Was like it was trying to echo Obi Wan calling out to Luke to stop him going back home, but Torbin was just walking not running but Sol suddenly screamed at him. Was a weird scene.

I wonder if this episode was filmed first or at the start? Would make sense actually to get all those dead characters scenes filmed first.

 

[glenferry23]

The de-aging technology is very expensive I believe, I wonder how much of the budget has been eaten up by that in the flashback stuff. Still though, it looks very undercooked in other aspects beyond that.

 

[glenferry23]

Them yelling at Torbin was also jarring. Was like it was trying to echo Obi Wan calling out to Luke to stop him going back home, but Torbin was just walking not running but Sol suddenly screamed at him. Was a weird scene.

I wonder if this episode was filmed first or at the start? Would make sense actually to get all those dead characters scenes filmed first.

It was utterly bizarre. And even if he got there first, by himself, what exactly was he going to do? Ask the children to come with him and escort them to the intergalactic version of child protection?

It really was ridiculous and after waiting all this time to understand why he essentially conceded to Mae and drank the position in the present day, I was hoping it was something way more fleshed out than that.

 

[Exe Gesis]

BOBF was average but I'll always like how they fleshed out the Tusken Raiders, that was great

That was kind of brilliant. It started off so interestingly with that angle. Thats the best and only part of BOBF that is a keeper for SW per se.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Likewise....the only SW keeper from The Acolyte is probably the Qimir forest fight sequence and wookie jedi with a lightsaber sequence.

 

[glenferry23]

Yes the way they depicted the Tuskens, indigenous peoples of Tatooine, was very refreshing. That was excellent. BOBF really suffered without him I felt, especially when the flashback episodes ended and it caught up the present day. It lost its way from there.

 

[Brick Loosener]

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Nah.

 

[Exe Gesis]

I reckon any of us here could sit down for 30 mins and, using all the story material already in the show, we could re-arrange them into a more cohesive and more engaging mystery, a better chronology of 7 episodes.

Just doing a quick one here....

Open TA episode one, a 50 minute or so episode, that blends both the Brendock flashback episodes into one. So we see all perspectives in one episode. Like Sol creeping in the trees, cut to close up of the twins, how Mae is force holding the bird in mid flight ready to kill it. And such. Episode ends with Mae falling to her presumed death, and then fade to black....16 years later.....we see who we think is Osha therefore standing listening to the Sith silhouette lighting his saber and saying that stuff about "steel and laser is no match for the jedi". End episode.

Then from there we see who we think is Osha slaying Indorra etc, them capturing her, and all evidence pointing to her being the killer, and the mystery then is her maintaining hwr innocence at the council, and then her getting a force feeling Mae is still alive. Then we have the Jedi going to Brendock episode, where Kanuka is already dead and Qimir is revealed, and we see Mae alive for the first time. No twin swap maybe...or maybe Qimir and Mae are arguing in the forest where she strings him up and says shes had enough, etc, as reasoning for her reversal, and how Osha in the end becomes his apprentice and Mae becomes the misunderstood one etc etc. Then end the season showing how Vernatras backstabbed Qimir (like how TA ep8 may likely conclude).

 

[Brick Loosener]

The de-aging technology is very expensive I believe, I wonder how much of the budget has been eaten up by that in the flashback stuff. Still though, it looks very undercooked in other aspects beyond that.

Why use de-aging tech at all? Sol's 51, Indara's 56, Torben's 26 and the wookie is a mask. Simple hair and make up would do the job.

 

[Jatz]

I'm very curious as to what they do with the last episode.

It would take an hour long ep to try and wrap everything up. But there's also been a struggle with continuity with the flashbacks thrown in.

I'm struggling to remember where we even left Qmir.

 

[Jatz]

It was okay-ish. I’m glad finally they revisited what happened that night. The series has taken way too long to do so, that’s my main criticism of it. At least Kelnacca got more than a few seconds of screen time.

Struggling with that Torbin arc. It’s one thing to want to go home. However to have that recklessness to just dash off on a speeder like that, that was jarring. Bizarre stuff. Very un-Jedi like. Same with Sol, drew his lightsaber and killed the mother? Not sure he needed to do that, I didn’t know what was going on for those few seconds and bizarre that her partner Korril and the other witches just stand idly by. That was not a well executed scene.

I did appreciate however that Mae seemed to not start the fire deliberately, seemed she wanted to burn the artwork and it quickly got our of hand from there. Some decent answers at least finally even though it should’ve been done much better.

I felt at the end the episode overall was inferior to last one or two, and quickly realised a big missing piece: no Qmir in this one. He remains the best part of the series for me and however many episodes are left, I hope he is featured heavily.

This made no sense to me. It seemed like he tentatively prodded at her, unsure whether she was there or not.

What was she supposed to be doing btw? She'd lost/hidden her physical form but was clearly still in that location?

 

[SM]

I'm very curious as to what they do with the last episode.

It would take an hour long ep to try and wrap everything up. But there's also been a struggle with continuity with the flashbacks thrown in.

I'm struggling to remember where we even left Qmir.

Makes me think we're headed for a cliffhanger which some in here won't like lol.

I think there's a reasonable chance Sol dies in the finale, since it seems to be setting up for a "Sol hasn't told anyone Qmir is a Sith so once he's dead the secret is safe".

Wondering if we get a Vernastra v Qmir after Qmir kills Sol.

 

[Brick Loosener]

Probably Mother Aniseya remains the more interesting character in the series, aside from Qimir, but her death was just confusing. What was Sol even trying to do there? Was it his intention to kill her? The thing with the bridge was fine but are we to assume all the destruction was due to the fire Mae started? How did it all spread so quickly to wreak such havoc? Is there still more to the story?

Hard to find a reason why Sol wouldn't kill Mother Aniseya. She turns into some smoke demon thing right in front of him. You'd think that's an instant stabbing right there. It's also simply bizarre how blase the Jedi are about her just mind raping Torbin too.