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They spent most of the time repeating what we already saw in the previous prequel episode. One episode long flashback was already a poor choice structurally but two episodes of the same thing for no gain is very shoddy writing.
Momma One turning into a cloud then Sol stabbing her didn't make any sense. But her ridiculous final words before she died redeemed the scene. I realised the show is meant as parody. When Trinity killed all the wailing witches I had to pause it as I was laughing too much.
But two things were confirmed (alternative POV debunked). It was Mae who set fire to the (stone!) fortress after threatening to kill her sister. And Torbin has no reason to feel so guilty about the events that he should commit suicide 16 years later.
So in the final episode.. are we going to learn.
What the connection between Qmir and the witches is?
What's the connection between greenhead and these events?
What the connection between greenhead and Qmir
Why did Torbin kill himself?
Who killed Tanaca and why?
What the vergence means, was it investigated, how does it impact Phantom / Anakin
Who is Qmirs master?
A lot to resolve in what another 30 minute episode? I feel a lot of exposition dump happening or alternatively.... a cliff hanger which as I've previously said would be laughable
What the connection between Qmir and the witches is?
What's the connection between greenhead and these events?
What the connection between greenhead and Qmir
Why did Torbin kill himself?
Who killed Tanaca and why?
What the vergence means, was it investigated, how does it impact Phantom / Anakin
Who is Qmirs master?
A lot to resolve in what another 30 minute episode? I feel a lot of exposition dump happening or alternatively.... a cliff hanger which as I've previously said would be laughable
Explain to me how they give this show $180m and they give Kenobi $90m
My only thoughts are this is an intentional humiliation ritual for Lesley Healdand to join the Hollywood elites or there is some sort of embezzlement or money laundering going on
My only thoughts are this is an intentional humiliation ritual for Lesley Healdand to join the Hollywood elites or there is some sort of embezzlement or money laundering going on
Mae told him his parents were brother and sister.
It was ok. Probably about the same consistency of storytelling as the other episodes. However in this episode you watch it. You think, “hmm interesting”. Then 10 minutes later you think “hmm that made no sense”. Probably most disappointing for me was that I actually considered its sister episode one of the best in the series.
Was pretty dissatisfied with the reasons for the Jedi going to the fortress. Sol’s strange and irrational insistence that the girls needed to be saved and Torbin’s homesick-boredness was a stupidly weak crux for the story to pivot on. If they’d spent a moment providing context and reasoning for both it could have been so much more impactful.
Probably Mother Aniseya remains the more interesting character in the series, aside from Qimir, but her death was just confusing. What was Sol even trying to do there? Was it his intention to kill her? The thing with the bridge was fine but are we to assume all the destruction was due to the fire Mae started? How did it all spread so quickly to wreak such havoc? Is there still more to the story?
I did like the overall themes of the episode and the discussion on the complex nature of it all. Good people trying to do good things without good information. The supposed infallibility of the Jedi again exposed by the nature of humanity. But it was all executed poorly in this episode and like others have said, I’m definitely concerned it’s left too much to wrap up.
I think the running time is a major problem with these episodes. There is no time for the scenes to breathe or build. Everything is chopped together to get the run time down under 40 minutes. If they added a few minutes onto some of the key scenes it would feel a lot less rushed and would allow for more context to be provided and less confusing.
Overall I’ve been keeping a positive mind on this series hoping it was all leading somewhere. But after this episode, and knowing there is only one left, I’m concerned it’s all going to come to disappointing and halting thud.
Was pretty dissatisfied with the reasons for the Jedi going to the fortress. Sol’s strange and irrational insistence that the girls needed to be saved and Torbin’s homesick-boredness was a stupidly weak crux for the story to pivot on. If they’d spent a moment providing context and reasoning for both it could have been so much more impactful.
Probably Mother Aniseya remains the more interesting character in the series, aside from Qimir, but her death was just confusing. What was Sol even trying to do there? Was it his intention to kill her? The thing with the bridge was fine but are we to assume all the destruction was due to the fire Mae started? How did it all spread so quickly to wreak such havoc? Is there still more to the story?
I did like the overall themes of the episode and the discussion on the complex nature of it all. Good people trying to do good things without good information. The supposed infallibility of the Jedi again exposed by the nature of humanity. But it was all executed poorly in this episode and like others have said, I’m definitely concerned it’s left too much to wrap up.
I think the running time is a major problem with these episodes. There is no time for the scenes to breathe or build. Everything is chopped together to get the run time down under 40 minutes. If they added a few minutes onto some of the key scenes it would feel a lot less rushed and would allow for more context to be provided and less confusing.
Overall I’ve been keeping a positive mind on this series hoping it was all leading somewhere. But after this episode, and knowing there is only one left, I’m concerned it’s all going to come to disappointing and halting thud.
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There's far too much there to somehow resolve in one 30 min episode.
Seeing all those threads of plot listed like that, it highlights that TA had far more potential to ve something better and more engaging if written and plotted out better. Instead, the show has been such a waste of time...as in the precious amount of screen time (7 x 30 mins, 210 mins worth of story, wasted and meandering away from itself.
I don't even think the show is going to bother resolving these things because it's so stupidly written. It's probably more likely they double up again on another flashback, more pointless treks in the forest or scenes at Coruacant.
I reckon any of us here could sit down for 30 mins and, using all the story material already in the show, we could re-arrange them into a more cohesive and more engaging mystery, a better chronology of 7 episodes.
The general writing has been poor, dialogue etc, but it couldve been looked over if the actual plotting of the story was done much better. That's where I feel this show has really been let down...the plotting/editing into episodes.
One huge money laundering scheme seems about right otherwise.
The character motivations and logic of their choices in this one was ridiculously poor. That’s my main takeaway reflecting on the episode last night. It’s almost unfathomable.
The sequence of Mother Aniyesa turning into a dark cloud, Sol stabbing her out of nowhere, the other witches just watching on idly, then him having a regretful look on his face and thus refusing to fight. Off the back of the padawan out of nowhere charging there on a speeder.
That sequence has earned its way into the growing list of “WTF did I just watch” moments in the Disney era.
The sequence of Mother Aniyesa turning into a dark cloud, Sol stabbing her out of nowhere, the other witches just watching on idly, then him having a regretful look on his face and thus refusing to fight. Off the back of the padawan out of nowhere charging there on a speeder.
That sequence has earned its way into the growing list of “WTF did I just watch” moments in the Disney era.
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Perfect summary here.
I've watched and will watch the final episode because I really wanted it to be good, but apart from one or two flashes of promise it hasn't.
What a waste of an episode, a lot of identical scenes to Ep 2 flashback and then just a few different POVs to fill in some blanks.
Jedi should be far more powerful than they are. Sol and co are parodies of Jedi, barely any force skills at all. And why did they have to painstakingly climb the wall into the witches' fortress? And if they did jedi force jump why can't this big budget show CGI Jedi jumping? Yes I know I'm going to be picked apart for that by the defenders but I'm not being pedantic, this is meant to be some $180m show but it looks fan made.
There's still time for the show to stick the landing but overall it's been very poor. For mine, the worst of the TV series.
BOBF was average but I'll always like how they fleshed out the Tusken Raiders, that was great.
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Them yelling at Torbin was also jarring. Was like it was trying to echo Obi Wan calling out to Luke to stop him going back home, but Torbin was just walking not running but Sol suddenly screamed at him. Was a weird scene.
I wonder if this episode was filmed first or at the start? Would make sense actually to get all those dead characters scenes filmed first.
The de-aging technology is very expensive I believe, I wonder how much of the budget has been eaten up by that in the flashback stuff. Still though, it looks very undercooked in other aspects beyond that.
It was utterly bizarre. And even if he got there first, by himself, what exactly was he going to do? Ask the children to come with him and escort them to the intergalactic version of child protection?
It really was ridiculous and after waiting all this time to understand why he essentially conceded to Mae and drank the position in the present day, I was hoping it was something way more fleshed out than that.
Yes the way they depicted the Tuskens, indigenous peoples of Tatooine, was very refreshing. That was excellent. BOBF really suffered without him I felt, especially when the flashback episodes ended and it caught up the present day. It lost its way from there.
Exe Gesis
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Just doing a quick one here....
Open TA episode one, a 50 minute or so episode, that blends both the Brendock flashback episodes into one. So we see all perspectives in one episode. Like Sol creeping in the trees, cut to close up of the twins, how Mae is force holding the bird in mid flight ready to kill it. And such. Episode ends with Mae falling to her presumed death, and then fade to black....16 years later.....we see who we think is Osha therefore standing listening to the Sith silhouette lighting his saber and saying that stuff about "steel and laser is no match for the jedi". End episode.
Then from there we see who we think is Osha slaying Indorra etc, them capturing her, and all evidence pointing to her being the killer, and the mystery then is her maintaining hwr innocence at the council, and then her getting a force feeling Mae is still alive. Then we have the Jedi going to Brendock episode, where Kanuka is already dead and Qimir is revealed, and we see Mae alive for the first time. No twin swap maybe...or maybe Qimir and Mae are arguing in the forest where she strings him up and says shes had enough, etc, as reasoning for her reversal, and how Osha in the end becomes his apprentice and Mae becomes the misunderstood one etc etc. Then end the season showing how Vernatras backstabbed Qimir (like how TA ep8 may likely conclude).
Why use de-aging tech at all? Sol's 51, Indara's 56, Torben's 26 and the wookie is a mask. Simple hair and make up would do the job.
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I'm very curious as to what they do with the last episode.
It would take an hour long ep to try and wrap everything up. But there's also been a struggle with continuity with the flashbacks thrown in.
I'm struggling to remember where we even left Qmir.
It would take an hour long ep to try and wrap everything up. But there's also been a struggle with continuity with the flashbacks thrown in.
I'm struggling to remember where we even left Qmir.
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This made no sense to me. It seemed like he tentatively prodded at her, unsure whether she was there or not.
What was she supposed to be doing btw? She'd lost/hidden her physical form but was clearly still in that location?
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Makes me think we're headed for a cliffhanger which some in here won't like lol.
I think there's a reasonable chance Sol dies in the finale, since it seems to be setting up for a "Sol hasn't told anyone Qmir is a Sith so once he's dead the secret is safe".
Wondering if we get a Vernastra v Qmir after Qmir kills Sol.
Hard to find a reason why Sol wouldn't kill Mother Aniseya. She turns into some smoke demon thing right in front of him. You'd think that's an instant stabbing right there. It's also simply bizarre how blase the Jedi are about her just mind raping Torbin too.
