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Toast The anti-Hinkleyball
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Ken, probably: Right, I've been here 10 years calling all the shots, and what I really, absolutely want.. is to be kicked out of the warm box with my beloved aspartame drinks, onto the cold boundary, and for the team to ignore my "work harder" mantra and decide that working smarter is better.
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In 2017, Broadbent averaged 1.6 per game, Houston averaged 1.5 per game, Hartlett 1.3 per game, Jonas 1.1 per game and Byrne-Jones 1.0 per game.
In 2023, Williams is averaging 1.6 per game, Houston 1.5 per game, Bergman 1.2 per game, Farrell 1.1 per game and Burton 1.0 per game.
Note who has been taken out of the backline in 2023, but also why they were there at the start of the season.
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The only thing that I hate more than people saying that a coach is a genius but his players are sh*te is someone who cherry picks dodgy stats and then presents even more dodgy analysis and Janus is the King of both.
Just as an explanation. You get one first round pick per year so in a 10 year period you are going to have 10 players who all things being equal are the nucleus of your team. Anyone who is drafted over Pick 21 is likely to average of between 23 and 85 games per player.
So with that in mind your team is always evolving so when Janus is hanging shit on Bonner for lack of quality - well he was a pick in the 30's data says he is likely to play average 70 games but 75% of your squad are likely to be players like this.
It is the coaches responsibility to develop these NON-CHAMPION players to be role players or to be the best versions of themselves they can be and to contribute the best they can for the team.
In the Janus world every player needs to be a champion and if he isn't he's crap and doesn't deserve to be in the presence of the greatness and genius of Hinkley. It's laughable and annoying at the same time.
Just as an explanation. You get one first round pick per year so in a 10 year period you are going to have 10 players who all things being equal are the nucleus of your team. Anyone who is drafted over Pick 21 is likely to average of between 23 and 85 games per player.
So with that in mind your team is always evolving so when Janus is hanging shit on Bonner for lack of quality - well he was a pick in the 30's data says he is likely to play average 70 games but 75% of your squad are likely to be players like this.
It is the coaches responsibility to develop these NON-CHAMPION players to be role players or to be the best versions of themselves they can be and to contribute the best they can for the team.
In the Janus world every player needs to be a champion and if he isn't he's crap and doesn't deserve to be in the presence of the greatness and genius of Hinkley. It's laughable and annoying at the same time.
Statistics in isolation mean nothing - compare it to a mean. The who doesn't matter its the how many that counts and that is where you go wrong every time Janus. Your focus is only on the player not tactics no wonder you like Hinkley so much.
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What point are you trying to make here?
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The plan was the same. The execution was the issue.
Since 2017, we have recruited:
McKenzie
Farrell
Burton
Bergman
Williams
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You say that Hinkley had the chance to move good kicks into defence between 2013-2017. With what draft picks? We brought in Impey and Byrne-Jones in 2013, spent our first and second round picks on Ryder in 2014, spent a first and future second on Dixon in 2015 and recruited Bonner with our second round pick (and Houston fell into our lap as a rookie pick), then in 2016 we selected Powell-Pepper, Marshall and Drew. We even made Nathan Krakouer a rookie at one point and he was a pretty decent kick.
Found an even better post of mine - this one was from 2015 - it shows what the problem has been since day one:
Farrell, Burton, Houston and Williams also go for the million dollar pass, but their kicking is elite, so it's not what I like to call 'heroball' (taking the most risk possible - a 10% shot at coming off) but the calculated risk I mention in this post (a 60% shot at coming off - none of our defenders have a kicking efficiency below 60% - Farrell, Houston, Williams and Burton* are >75%). Players trust them, so their teammates will leave their opponents and create that spread that is necessary.
*Actually Burton is 74.6% but that's from being in the forward line.
In 2017, we emphasised ball retention so our kicking efficiency out of defence was similar to that of 2023 - but like I said, the extra meters gained prove that we are hitting longer targets instead of the dinky short kicks that make stats look good.
A complete change in philosophy would be like us turning into a defensive half team like Essendon, who have a negative total differential for inside 50s, or a surge team that moves the ball forward at all times even if it means kicking to grass like Richmond. You can call it an evolution of the game plan if you want, but it’s certainly not an antithesis of it.
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We are attacking the corridor as we said we would in 2018, but we didn’t.
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Found an even better post of mine 
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The plan was the same despite him making absolutely no effort to execute it until season 11 round 4, coincidentally the same date he got kicked out of the coaches box. Right.
Again, YOU wanted us to move the ball quickly. You repeatedly posted about it. You didn't talk about moving all of our best kicks behind the ball, but you may have if you didn't have to try to shoehorn what Ken Hinkley was doing into your football theory.
Ken Hinkley never wanted us to take risks coming out of defence, THAT was the antithesis of the strategy we've seen since 2016 or so. He got burned so badly by teams sitting 2 loose defenders behind the ball to block the slingshot that he made the intercept mark differential his entire personality. Since then the only quick ball movement that's been allowed has been a high ball to Dixon because he doesn't get outmarked.
You'd probably be quite well regarded as a footy brain on this board if you didn't wed yourself to Ken Hinkley, his footy philosophy isn't the same as yours.
Hey guys, in 2015 it was a good idea to play the same way as three-peat Hawthorn.
Instead our coach decided on kick it to the pockets and scrum the ball inside forward 50 hoping Robbie Gray could check side a goal for seven years.
Now that we've suddenly changed its proof that he is a genius but been forced to work with a list full of mouldy potatoes. Also pay no attention to the multiple other cultural and system changes that have all occurred after round 3 this year. Ken was always planning on doing these things
Instead our coach decided on kick it to the pockets and scrum the ball inside forward 50 hoping Robbie Gray could check side a goal for seven years.
Now that we've suddenly changed its proof that he is a genius but been forced to work with a list full of mouldy potatoes. Also pay no attention to the multiple other cultural and system changes that have all occurred after round 3 this year. Ken was always planning on doing these things
I'm no big city footballoligist but I know that stats only get you so far...and that you can use them to say anything.
Summary of things that are working this year that Ken has not implemented in the past few years (or ever):
1. Tall forwards. Picking 3 tall/leading marking targets playing between the goal square and forward of centre. Ken has always gone small (remember Sam Gray or Jake Neade out of full forward or the complete lack of young talls ever developed, Marshall aside). Even when the main ones are injured, we pick to keep the structure, even if the new player is not yet up to it (O.Lord) or not a forward (Burton). There's no way when Charlie is injured, Ken doesn't pick Fantasia and Evans for when Finlayson spends half his time in ruck.
2. Full metal high pressure forwards. SPP, McEntee, DBJ and to a lesser extent Rioli.
3. Best kicks in defence. DBJ put of defence (last few years where did Ken have him and how was he playing - now how's he going?). Farell in defence (previously often as a forward or on wing). Williams in (his form in the sanfl wasn't better this year than it was last year, yet here he is...in defence). McKenzie over Clurey (big footy would have been split by McKenzie or Clurey but all would agree McKenzie is the better kick. He's the chosen one).
4. Gold passes gone. Ken quoted as intimating Jonas form not great, but he's the captain so we'll back him. DBJ was dropped before a last minute reprieve...
5. Attack with run and quick hands in the midfield. JHF, Butters get caught, but its worth it for when they don't. Houston and Rozee similarly playing with run and quick hands (and a good kick). I'll grant Janus to an extent on this one - JHF is new and more years in the system improve young players.
Joking aside, this doesn't make Ken a clueless idiot. He may be doing what he's best at - one on one feedback to players in real time is important - but its obvious that match day coaching and more importantly team selection/balance has either been taken out of his hands, or his input has been diminished. No amount of handpicked stats change what is clear watching the game.
Summary of things that are working this year that Ken has not implemented in the past few years (or ever):
1. Tall forwards. Picking 3 tall/leading marking targets playing between the goal square and forward of centre. Ken has always gone small (remember Sam Gray or Jake Neade out of full forward or the complete lack of young talls ever developed, Marshall aside). Even when the main ones are injured, we pick to keep the structure, even if the new player is not yet up to it (O.Lord) or not a forward (Burton). There's no way when Charlie is injured, Ken doesn't pick Fantasia and Evans for when Finlayson spends half his time in ruck.
2. Full metal high pressure forwards. SPP, McEntee, DBJ and to a lesser extent Rioli.
3. Best kicks in defence. DBJ put of defence (last few years where did Ken have him and how was he playing - now how's he going?). Farell in defence (previously often as a forward or on wing). Williams in (his form in the sanfl wasn't better this year than it was last year, yet here he is...in defence). McKenzie over Clurey (big footy would have been split by McKenzie or Clurey but all would agree McKenzie is the better kick. He's the chosen one).
4. Gold passes gone. Ken quoted as intimating Jonas form not great, but he's the captain so we'll back him. DBJ was dropped before a last minute reprieve...
5. Attack with run and quick hands in the midfield. JHF, Butters get caught, but its worth it for when they don't. Houston and Rozee similarly playing with run and quick hands (and a good kick). I'll grant Janus to an extent on this one - JHF is new and more years in the system improve young players.
Joking aside, this doesn't make Ken a clueless idiot. He may be doing what he's best at - one on one feedback to players in real time is important - but its obvious that match day coaching and more importantly team selection/balance has either been taken out of his hands, or his input has been diminished. No amount of handpicked stats change what is clear watching the game.
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It's not really anti-Hinkleyball, it's original Hinkleyball refined the right way. This article is from 2014.
Port Adelaide's Hinkleyball proves football is more than trench warfare
Port Adelaide's Hinkleyball proves football is more than trench warfare
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Houston, Wingard and Lienert. I'm not sure Pittard was an elite kick, he'd make space for himself with his line breaking running and then have a more open field to kick into which made him look like a better kick.
I even argue that Westhoff was a very good field kick. He just couldn't kick a set shot if the margin was within 5 goals either way.
There was absolutely enough to work with if you wanted to make brave transitional ball movement a key part of your plan. We didn't though. We wanted to give the ball to Boak at halfback while 15 players remained in the defensive 50 and hope he could hold possession long enough for the players to very safely move to a more advanced defensive position.
It worked fine against the shit sides because we'd just outclass them. But it would come undone time and time again against the good sides. 2-8 against the top 8 sides in 2017, and one of those 2 wins came in round 1 against a Sydney side that wouldn't win until round 7, and the other one came against 8th. This year, apart from the bedshitting against Collingwood and Adelaide that led to Tredders calling us out and the subsequent drastic changes in our coaches box, we're regularly beating top 8 sides. We've played every side in the top 10 in 14 rounds, the Bulldogs twice.
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Broadbent and Lienert were long kicks - they weren't good kicks.
The foot skills this team currently has particular in defence is amazing. Usually every team has 1 or 2 players in the back half who are elite kicks which change the angles transitioning into attack. Port however currently has Houston, Farrell, Williams and McKenzie who are all elite kicks out the back 6. Farrell and Williams in particular are brilliant at opening up the space in the corridor - at which point once that space is created, the space then opens up further down the field making it a much greater likelihood of an effective inside 50 entry.
Irrespective of one's thoughts on Hinkley, this style is the best Port have played during his entire tenure as senior coach.
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I feel like McKenzie probably fits the 'long kick not a good kick' descriptor, but otherwise agree.
Then once we get the ball further up the field, we have Butters, JHF and Marshall who are all elite kicks in their own right.
