Review The bad, the dumb and the bad v Eagles

[CrowBloke]

Surely this is obvious for all to see.

You see it. I see it. 92.4% of the posters in here see it (Poll, above).

7 people think Crouch played well .
(that'd be Nicks and his assistants, is my guess)

 

[Interloperer]

I am staggered you are advocating for Crouch. Perhaps you could give us the stats for how many times Crouch blocked or got in the way.

I'm not advocating for Crouch. Except in the sense that forcing out Crouch (Brad) was one of the dumbest moves the club has ever made.

If you want a general thesis of my ramblings for the year 2022. It's that there are massive gaps in the games of players who have 'bought in' to Nicks' philosophies, particularly those who have only played under him. Crouch may have glaring weaknesses in his game, but he hasn't had the basic instincts of the game coached out of him yet.

Not only that, Sam pretty much leads the comp in average pressure acts per game

Crouch probably leads the comp in lowest average pressure acts for a midfielder...

First-Year Crouch and First-Year Berry are essentially identical for pressure acts relative to time-on-ground. It's only once you get to the second year that they diverge dramatically. Likely because Crouch settled into his current role in 2015, where Berry was "pushed out" into a different one by Crouch.

Now if you want something truly terrifying:

Spoiler: terrifying

Excluding his first year. This is Crouch's personal best year for pressure acts. (Up until the Eagles game, which was both players worst pressure acts game this year by far)

 

[MRB37]

Crouch hasn't had more than 2 centre clearances in a game this year and averages 1.1 a game which is "average" for midfielders. For someone who averages being at probably 80%+ of the CBA that's not encouraging, but the only guess/assumption I could make other than being shit is that due to Keays and Laird both being rated as being "Elite" in that area he's being told to be more defensive and watch his opposition more than worry about going in hard for the ball. The next question would be do you need to use Matt Crouch

5

Matt Crouch

Age

29

Ht

183cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

in that role and is that the best use for him? I wouldn't say it is and leaves him and the team exposed once the ball is outside the contest.

Laird was on SEN today defending Crouch saying how he's got good hands and his inside work is a highlight, so metres gained isn't the be all and end all with him, which is true, but doesn't seem like it's how we're using him at all. He's rating average for contested possessions, elite for uncontested possessions, below average for his contested possession rate, average for tackles, clearances and centre clearances, the only 2 spots he's above average in is ground ball gets and stoppage clearances. He's an inside midfielder who is primarily getting all his possessions outside the contest, that is the issue because he doesn't have the skill to be dangerous using it and unless he has someone in the immediate vicinity to pass it off to then he's a stop and kick guy.

It's increasingly looking like to me a case of he's limited yes, but we've also miscast him completely and are just hoping that he adapts to the role. Is there a reason we couldn't put Jones in there? He's worked as a defensive mid before. I'm not his biggest fan, but he can usually kick the ball better than Crouch can. Both Hately and Berry are better pressure players than Crouch, it's fine if that's a role they want a midfielder to take, but it looks like it's one we're forcing Crouch in for the sake of having the experience in there.

 

[George Kramer]

Crouch hasn't had more than 2 centre clearances in a game this year and averages 1.1 a game which is "average" for midfielders. For someone who averages being at probably 80%+ of the CBA that's not encouraging, but the only guess/assumption I could make other than being shit is that due to Keays and Laird both being rated as being "Elite" in that area he's being told to be more defensive and watch his opposition more than worry about going in hard for the ball. The next question would be do you need to use Matt Crouch in that role and is that the best use for him? I wouldn't say it is and leaves him and the team exposed once the ball is outside the contest.

Laird was on SEN today defending Crouch saying how he's got good hands and his inside work is a highlight, so metres gained isn't the be all and end all with him, which is true, but doesn't seem like it's how we're using him at all. He's rating average for contested possessions, elite for uncontested possessions, below average for his contested possession rate, average for tackles, clearances and centre clearances, the only 2 spots he's above average in is ground ball gets and stoppage clearances. He's an inside midfielder who is primarily getting all his possessions outside the contest, that is the issue because he doesn't have the skill to be dangerous using it and unless he has someone in the immediate vicinity to pass it off to then he's a stop and kick guy.

It's increasingly looking like to me a case of he's limited yes, but we've also miscast him completely and are just hoping that he adapts to the role. Is there a reason we couldn't put Jones in there? He's worked as a defensive mid before. I'm not his biggest fan, but he can usually kick the ball better than Crouch can. Both Hately and Berry are better pressure players than Crouch, it's fine if that's a role they want a midfielder to take, but it looks like it's one we're forcing Crouch in for the sake of having the experience in there.

Why did Laird have to defend Crouch? Who and what was said?

 

[George 13]

Why did Laird have to defend Crouch? Who and what was said?

Go and google it mate, **** it's not hard!!

 

[George Kramer]

Go and google it mate, duck it's not hard!!

Hey George, up your bum. Instead of wasting a post telling me to google you could have just told me

 

[MRB37]

Why did Laird have to defend Crouch? Who and what was said?

Kym Dillon asked him about Crouch cause he said they're getting a lot of texts about Crouch and rattled off the stats. Laird even said he thought Matt had a really strong game on the weekend.

There was a bit of defending the current midfield group when Rucci brought up about NVB saying they might need to look for a new "dynamic" to add to the midfield. Laird ummmed and ahhed about more speed on the outside, Soligo/Rachele maybe getting a run through the midfield or adding a bigger inside mid, but didn't sound like he wanted anything to change.

 

[George 13]

Hey George, up your bum. Instead of wasting a post telling me to google you could have just told me

I didn't hear the interview, But what I would have done is Googled it instead of making an ass of myself.

 

[George Kramer]

I didn't hear the interview, But what I would have done is Googled it instead of making an ass of myself.

Have a look at MRBs reply, I don’t think he reckons I made an arse of myself. The only one making an arse is yourself and you’re giving George’s a bad name.

It happens all the time on here, not sure why it got you so worked up.

 

[George Kramer]

Kym Dillon asked him about Crouch cause he said they're getting a lot of texts about Crouch and rattled off the stats. Laird even said he thought Matt had a really strong game on the weekend.

There was a bit of defending the current midfield group when Rucci brought up about NVB saying they might need to look for a new "dynamic" to add to the midfield. Laird ummmed and ahhed about more speed on the outside, Soligo/Rachele maybe getting a run through the midfield or adding a bigger inside mid, but didn't sound like he wanted anything to change.

Thank you for your reply

 

[George 13]

Have a look at MRBs reply, I don’t think he reckons I made an arse of myself. The only one making an arse is yourself and you’re giving George’s a bad name.

It happens all the time on here, not sure why it got you so worked up.

Worked up? I would not have thought so. That was nice of MRB to to reply, not sure why but there you go.

 

[George Kramer]

Worked up? I would not have thought so. That was nice of MRB to to reply, not sure why but there you go.

You injected yourself into a harmless post with “go google it mate, it’s not that hard!! Yeah that’s worked up followed with calling me an arse.

Nice? Not sure why? It’s because it’s what happens on here all the time, why it’s an issue for you is odd.

I can’t believe I’m even having this discussion and guess what, I googled it and it didn’t even come up. So walk away inferior George.

 

[George 13]

You injected yourself into a harmless post with “go google it mate, it’s not that hard!! Yeah that’s worked up followed with calling me an arse.

Nice? Not sure why? It’s because it’s what happens on here all the time, why it’s an issue for you is odd.

I can’t believe I’m even having this discussion and guess what, I googled it and it didn’t even come up. So walk away inferior George.

Wowee!! Leave you with it

 

[George Kramer]

Kym Dillon asked him about Crouch cause he said they're getting a lot of texts about Crouch and rattled off the stats. Laird even said he thought Matt had a really strong game on the weekend.

There was a bit of defending the current midfield group when Rucci brought up about NVB saying they might need to look for a new "dynamic" to add to the midfield. Laird ummmed and ahhed about more speed on the outside, Soligo/Rachele maybe getting a run through the midfield or adding a bigger inside mid, but didn't sound like he wanted anything to change.

Senior players protecting themselves, we’ve been here before.

 

[FR0GGY]

Crouch hasn't had more than 2 centre clearances in a game this year and averages 1.1 a game which is "average" for midfielders. For someone who averages being at probably 80%+ of the CBA that's not encouraging, but the only guess/assumption I could make other than being shit is that due to Keays and Laird both being rated as being "Elite" in that area he's being told to be more defensive and watch his opposition more than worry about going in hard for the ball. The next question would be do you need to use Matt Crouch in that role and is that the best use for him? I wouldn't say it is and leaves him and the team exposed once the ball is outside the contest.

Laird was on SEN today defending Crouch saying how he's got good hands and his inside work is a highlight, so metres gained isn't the be all and end all with him, which is true, but doesn't seem like it's how we're using him at all. He's rating average for contested possessions, elite for uncontested possessions, below average for his contested possession rate, average for tackles, clearances and centre clearances, the only 2 spots he's above average in is ground ball gets and stoppage clearances. He's an inside midfielder who is primarily getting all his possessions outside the contest, that is the issue because he doesn't have the skill to be dangerous using it and unless he has someone in the immediate vicinity to pass it off to then he's a stop and kick guy.

It's increasingly looking like to me a case of he's limited yes, but we've also miscast him completely and are just hoping that he adapts to the role. Is there a reason we couldn't put Jones in there? He's worked as a defensive mid before. I'm not his biggest fan, but he can usually kick the ball better than Crouch can. Both Hately and Berry are better pressure players than Crouch, it's fine if that's a role they want a midfielder to take, but it looks like it's one we're forcing Crouch in for the sake of having the experience in there.

We can’t even get our own seniors roles right.
If you were to rank them as players to be getting in and under to get the ball, it would be crouch first (as he can’t do much else) then Laird then keays.
Laird can obviously do every crouch can do better plus more, absolutely no need to be playing Matt.

 

[FR0GGY]

Go and google it mate, duck it's not hard!!

You realize this is a discussion forum?
People are allowed to ask for more information.

 

[FR0GGY]

Senior players protecting themselves, we’ve been here before.

I don’t think Laird can say much else really, he’s not going to hang a team mate out to dry.

 

[George 13]

You realize this is a discussion forum?
People are allowed to ask for more information.

Sure do Frog Man, But I would have googled it myself and listened and then formed an opinion.

 

[FR0GGY]

Sure do Frog Man, But I would have googled it myself and listened and then formed an opinion.

That’s you, plenty of people ask for links, or summary’s of what was said in an interview.

 

[George 13]

That’s you, plenty of people ask for links, or summary’s of what was said in an interview.

Ok

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Kym Dillon asked him about Crouch cause he said they're getting a lot of texts about Crouch and rattled off the stats. Laird even said he thought Matt had a really strong game on the weekend.

There was a bit of defending the current midfield group when Rucci brought up about NVB saying they might need to look for a new "dynamic" to add to the midfield. Laird ummmed and ahhed about more speed on the outside, Soligo/Rachele maybe getting a run through the midfield or adding a bigger inside mid, but didn't sound like he wanted anything to change.

To be fair a player isn't going to dish a team mate in public.

I'm more concerned what are the coaches thinking with our current unbalanced line up.

The coaches are the ones who the media should ask these tough questions to... not a team mate.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Not a heap..

But man.. i really like Nankervis.. still raw and has a lot of development to come.. but geez, he just looks like an exciting prospect..

I hope he gets a AFL call up this year just to get a run and

Agreed .....we really have a lot of talent developing in the SANFL ....supporters have every right to feel confident in our future

Cook, Schoenberg, Nankervis, Pedlar, Parnell, and Newchurch .....meh on Worrell, gotta be a lot more commanding

Crouch simply cannot be part of our future plans .....stifling Hately & co ....our midfield is way too slow with the current tenants

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Compare their 2 games on the weekend and you tell me Berry is a maybe

You certainly can draw comparisons with Berry and SPP

 

[skittlebrew]

I saw people arguing "of course he's only getting 154 metres gained, his a first possession mid who farms it out!" except for the part where he had 1 clearance and 2/3rds of his possessions are uncontested, which would indicate he's not winning first possession, he's just involved in the chain and not doing much with it

If he's part of the chain and not winning the ball himself you think he would be the one kicking it... But no

 

[WaynesWorld19]