Review The bad, the dumb and the bad v Eagles

[Betts are off]

Out of interest, I rewatched the 3rd quarter last night and after Tex's goal (10min mark) we had no less then 7 genuine chances to score goals for only 3 behinds. This included a relatively simple dropped chest mark by Keays, and a missed I50 by McHenry that should have hit Thilthorpe 40m out directly in front, but instead hit an uncontested eagle.

We kick even 3 of those goals and I'm confident the Eagles drop off and that game blows out to 50+

Endeavour was there, but once again
Bad kicking = Bad football!

Fingers crossed this bye round allows a lot of players to freshen up, and hone their skills back in

 

[Scorpus]

Crouch hasn't had more than 2 centre clearances in a game this year and averages 1.1 a game which is "average" for midfielders. For someone who averages being at probably 80%+ of the CBA that's not encouraging, but the only guess/assumption I could make other than being shit is that due to Keays and Laird both being rated as being "Elite" in that area he's being told to be more defensive and watch his opposition more than worry about going in hard for the ball. The next question would be do you need to use Matt Crouch in that role and is that the best use for him? I wouldn't say it is and leaves him and the team exposed once the ball is outside the contest.

Laird was on SEN today defending Crouch saying how he's got good hands and his inside work is a highlight, so metres gained isn't the be all and end all with him, which is true, but doesn't seem like it's how we're using him at all. He's rating average for contested possessions, elite for uncontested possessions, below average for his contested possession rate, average for tackles, clearances and centre clearances, the only 2 spots he's above average in is ground ball gets and stoppage clearances. He's an inside midfielder who is primarily getting all his possessions outside the contest, that is the issue because he doesn't have the skill to be dangerous using it and unless he has someone in the immediate vicinity to pass it off to then he's a stop and kick guy.

It's increasingly looking like to me a case of he's limited yes, but we've also miscast him completely and are just hoping that he adapts to the role. Is there a reason we couldn't put Jones in there? He's worked as a defensive mid before. I'm not his biggest fan, but he can usually kick the ball better than Crouch can. Both Hately and Berry are better pressure players than Crouch, it's fine if that's a role they want a midfielder to take, but it looks like it's one we're forcing Crouch in for the sake of having the experience in there.

Playing Crouch as a defensive center square midfielder is up there with some of the worst ideas our coaches have ever had

 

[MarcusP2]

Out of interest, I rewatched the 3rd quarter last night and after Tex's goal (10min mark) we had no less then 7 genuine chances to score goals for only 3 behinds. This included a relatively simple dropped chest mark by Keays, and a missed I50 by McHenry that should have hit Thilthorpe 40m out directly in front, but instead hit an uncontested eagle.

We kick even 3 of those goals and I'm confident the Eagles drop off and that game blows out to 50+

Endeavour was there, but once again
Bad kicking = Bad football!

Fingers crossed this bye round allows a lot of players to freshen up, and hone their skills back in

'back'? I'm not sure there's much evidence that we have skills to get back.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Playing Crouch as a defensive center square midfielder is up there with some of the worst ideas our coaches have ever had

Where do these loyalties stem from?

The coaches and players are in close proximity every day for 10.5 months per year. Relationships form. Some players would demonstrate traits and qualities daily that the coaches admire. Other players they wouldn't be so enamoured with for various reasons.

Is it possible for coaches to disassociate themselves from these relationships and view players' football output separately to their view on them as people?

There would be some players they believe in extra strongly and really want to see succeed.

Do we still have a Chairman of Selectors that doesn't have a hands on coaching role?

 

[Betts are off]

'back'? I'm not sure there's much evidence that we have skills to get back.

Touche

 

[Numinous]

Crouch probably leads the comp in lowest average pressure acts for a midfielder...

He's nowhere near the lowest average pressure act for just Crows midfielders (Link) much less for the whole comp.

 

[LeftyLuke]

I'd definitely have Hately ahead of Crouch now. But a month ago the very idea of him having an AFL future was doubtful.

I just don't see Berry as being "vastly" better than Crouch though. He's just a younger version of Crouch. And people are imagining the future version of Berry when 2 or 3 hypothetical leap forwards have happened vs the old and busted version of Crouch.

Berry can run both ways and is fair superior defensively and offensively than Crouch. There is no comparison. Crouch is a coal face merchant in cement boots.

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

It what world does opportunities i.e. CBA not correlate to actual clearances?

Literally this is amongst the most batshit things you’ve ever claimed.

I will explain it to you Sanders.

Please find anywhere other than this Bigfooty Board that refers to Total Clearances per Centre Bounce Attendance as an insightful statistic.

Centre Clearances per CBAs is a valid stat although somewhat limited. It doesn’t take into account the separate roles of the players at the CBA (eg Ruck, defensive mid, attacking mid)

Total Clearances per Clearance attendance (both CBAs and other stoppages) is a valid but rarely quoted stat.

Total Clearances (ie centre clearances plus other stoppage clearances) per CBA is nonsense.

At no stage have I pumped up Crouch.

We did win the centre clearances 13 to 6 but lost other clearances 24 to 28 which is unusual for the current Crow team.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Do you?



It what world does opportunities i.e. CBA not correlate to actual clearances?

Literally this is amongst the most batshit things you’ve ever claimed.

Maybe he thought it meant Commonwealth Bank?

 

[Slippery Pete]

We won the centre clearances 13 to 6. Probably less obvious on the tiny tellie at the nursing home.

That was pretty crisp.

But hold on, aren’t you getting up in years yourself?

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

That was pretty crisp.

But hold on, aren’t you getting up in years yourself?

Younger than you grandpa.

Do you support Sanders view that Total clearances (centre clearances PLUS stoppage clearances) per Centre Bounce Attendances is a MEANINGFUL stat?

There is a small group of posters (which includes you and Sanders) who are so keen to disagree with me that they rarely read what was ACTUALLY posted .

 

[Slippery Pete]

Total Clearances (ie centre clearances plus other stoppage clearances) per CBA is nonsense.

No it isn’t.. there’s still a heavy correlation between the two even if CBA doesn’t account for every clearance.

And in what world do you not want to test the output of a clearance player at the centre bounce?

There’s no such thing as a great clearance player who doesn’t take the lion’s share of the CBA.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Younger than you grandpa.

You sure about that?

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

And in what world do you not want to test the output of a clearance player at the centre bounce?

There’s no such thing as a great clearance player who doesn’t take the lion’s share of the CBA.

Do you actually read the posts?

Yes, Centre Clearances per CBAs is a legitimate but limited stat.

Total Clearances per CBAs is nonsense. Tex had 1 clearance and zero CBAs. His clearances per CBA is infinity. Does that add to your knowledge of his performance?

 

[FR0GGY]

Do you actually read the posts?

Yes, Centre Clearances per CBAs is a legitimate but limited stat.

Total Clearances per CBAs is nonsense. Tex had 1 clearance and zero CBAs. His clearances per CBA is infinity. Does that add to your knowledge of his performance?

Weren’t we talking about crouch in which case it makes his stats worse as he doesn’t do anything else but play as a mid.
Useless for anyone that doesn’t play mid.
Now if they recorded a stoppage stat…

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

You shouldn't look at clearance stats for stoppage mids

 

[FR0GGY]

You shouldn't look at clearance stats for stoppage mids

It should be a bit like meters gained, that if the next possession is the clearance, you should get a stat for it.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Do you actually read the posts?

Yes, Centre Clearances per CBAs is a legitimate but limited stat.

Total Clearances per CBAs is nonsense. Tex had 1 clearance and zero CBAs. His clearances per CBA is infinity. Does that add to your knowledge of his performance?

There would be massive crossover between the top centre clearance players and the top clearance players in any given season, you’d see almost all the same names in both lists.

The poster is questioning the wisdom of Crouch at the centre bounces. Now, your argument about the supposed folly of total clearances v CBAs would have some merit if there were a bunch of clearance kings running around the AFL who were never at the centre bounce.

Who are these players?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

It should be a bit like meters gained, that if the next possession is the clearance, you should get a stat for it.

Sorry... was meant to be a joke

 

[FR0GGY]

Sorry... was meant to be a joke

Oh…

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

The poster is questioning the wisdom of Crouch at the centre bounces. Now, your argument about the supposed folly of total clearances v CBAs would have some merit if there were a bunch of clearance kings running around the AFL who were never at the centre bounce.

Who are these players?

I am no fan of Crouch in the midfield in 2022. Please bump my comments from the preseason and beyond.

There could be plenty of complaints about Matty over the last 2 weeks but his work in the Centre Square on Saturday was not one of them. We smacked the Eagles 13 to 6 in the centre square.

Matty had one centre square clearance. For the Eagles Shuey had 2CCs and Gaff, Kelly, Clark and Winder had ONE (the same as Matty). The more relevant question is what was he doing at the around the ground stoppages.

I haven’t watched the replay yet but I was at Adelaide Oval on Saturday and my main recollection is that it wasn’t a game for the ages and it was really, really cold.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

 

[Mr_Moogle]

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[Sanders]

I didn't hear the interview, But what I would have done is Googled it instead of making an ass of myself.

Instead?

 

[George Kramer]

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They rated his blocking