Off-topic The Bay 13 Cricket thread - On the Windies bandwagon with Plugger. F*** India

[Plugger35]

Will anyone in Afghanistan be watching this game or is there a telly ban?

 

[royals1922]

According to Channel 9 news last night, Shane Watson was our highest paid cricketer last year earning 4.5mil.

Imagine how much he would earn if he wasn't a complete shit truck

So 900 k a half century....

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Will anyone in Afghanistan be watching this game or is there a telly ban?

Imagine Afghanistan in a home tri-series against Pakistan and India... explosive

 

[royals1922]

Imagine Afghanistan in a home tri-series against Pakistan and India... explosive

Add Sri Lanka and it would be a bomb

 

[Plugger35]

Imagine Afghanistan in a home tri-series against Pakistan and India... explosive

Their pitches would be a minefield.

 

[hawkman]

It's kind of funny that despite all their problems they are half a chance to beat England and have a better pace attack than India

 

[Art Vandelay_]

So 900 k a half century....

Make him a bowler then. Only 562k per wicket

Yep that's right, our great allrounder has 8 wickets in 2014......


In all formats combined

 

[Tippett2Goal]

In somethine not WC related, decent little knock by Voges, 248no currently.

 

[Tippett2Goal]

In somethine not WC related, decent little knock by Voges, 248no currently.

Really shouldnt post, he is now 249 and out....

 

[Happy Mastenator]

In somethine not WC related, decent little knock by Voges, 248no currently.

Looking at the scores i think it's safe to say they are playing that game on a road.

 

[Tippett2Goal]

Looking at the scores i think it's safe to say they are playing that game on a road.

Ya, despite being at Glenelg, it is a pretty typical Adelaide pitch, really flat early, and is starting to break up now, would be terrible to bat on if there was a day 5.

 

[Les Norton]

Windies have fallen off a cliff in recent times, just when you think they've bottomed out and are on the way back, they find a new low to hit.

They've always relied on sheer talent.
There's not much of that around. Their infrastructure has always been ordinary.
Could the fact they're a team made up of different countries be catching up on them?

 

[Starburns_]

They've always relied on sheer talent.
There's not much of that around. Their infrastructure has always been ordinary.
Could the fact they're a team made up of different countries be catching up on them?

Politically it's killing them, yes. They've been more damaged by franchise cricket than any other team too.

The problems are obvious, the solutions much less so.

 

[richoatthedisco]

They've always relied on sheer talent.
There's not much of that around. Their infrastructure has always been ordinary.
Could the fact they're a team made up of different countries be catching up on them?

Not always. The Clive Lloyd era was so successful because they were disciplined. If you haven't seen it, get a copy of the doco Fire In Babylon.

Politically it's killing them, yes. They've been more damaged by franchise cricket than any other team too.

The problems are obvious, the solutions much less so.

If you look at the history of WI cricket, it has always required a strong leader to unite them to be more than a talented rabble. Frank Worrell, Lloyd and Viv are really the only ones to do it successfully.

No doubt franchise cricket is hurting them. Bravo and these guys are pay-cheque players. Talent drain to other sports, lack of infrastructure and pathways, lack of money in the Caribbean - as you say, problems aplenty and solutions thin on the ground.

Lloyd and his men were so successful because Kerry Packer opened their eyes (and his wallet) to what they could make out of the game if they worked hard. Their only avenues were via the West Indies team and county cricket. Now Bravo and Pollard make more in a single IPL season than Lloyd made in a decade. It's too easy. Test cricket is too hard.

It's going to take something/someone special to pull Windies cricket out of the mire.

 

[Starburns_]

UAE could cause a boilover with one more wicket.

 

[Allikat]

UAE could cause a boilover with one more wicket.

This one's really surprising & intriguing me. The UAE were pretty terrible in our practice match. Maybe they were trolling us

 

[Starburns_]

This one's really surprising & intriguing me. The UAE were pretty terrible in our practice match. Maybe they were trolling us

No, it's just all about opposition and the gap in class, UAE would've seen this as winnable, Zimbabwe as one they should win, complacency plus that little extra effort from the underdog brings it closer.

Plus the overall gap is closing, from the Windies down to probably the Dutch, it's reasonably close, the top teams are still way too good for these ones though.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Not always. The Clive Lloyd era was so successful because they were disciplined. If you haven't seen it, get a copy of the doco Fire In Babylon.

Look pretty fit and athletic in the field for that era too when you look at the old clips

 

[richoatthedisco]

Look pretty fit and athletic in the field for that era too when you look at the old clips

Yeah, they trained harder than anyone.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Yeah, they trained harder than anyone.

Brian Lara from November 2014:

"We're a laughing stock at present," Lara, 45, said. "It's very unfortunate. The real problem is communication. I won't point fingers. I am very biased towards players, because I was a player and I've experienced relationships in the past with the West Indies Cricket Board and I know what they're like.

"There is no communication and it escalates into something disastrous. Communication is something I have never experienced with the West Indies Cricket Board, as a captain and as a player. I suspect it's the same thing that's going on at the moment."

As it stands, the Windies are a shadow of their former selves, not least of the days when Lara would bat and bat and bat and bat.

They are eighth in the ICC Test rankings, ninth in one-day internationals.

Despite this, Indian great Sachin Tendulkar earlier this month was prepared to label the West Indies a dark horse at next year's World Cup.

"They will always be a dark horse," Lara said. "Yes, they have the cricketers. But are they going to play as a team?

"It's sad where our cricket has reached. It's out in the open. The egos have to get out of the way. It's very frustrating. It's not something you envisage from a country that has brought so much joy to their people. I don't want to put my foot in my mouth and express blame. But it's really sad that we haven't come to terms with what cricket means to us.

Asked if he believes it can ever be a powerhouse again, Lara said: "It might be tough to get back. Those halcyon days from the 1970s and '80s where we were dominating are over. We've got to put that into the history books.

"But I honestly believe we have the best talent in the world. When you look at a West Indian when he is 17, a fast bowler or batsman, and what he's capable of, I still think we have the best talent. We take very good talent and turn them into ordinary talent."

 

[van peebles]

Look pretty fit and athletic in the field for that era too when you look at the old clips

Yeah, they trained harder than anyone.

Mick Holding once said that after the islands got real television,{in the 70s}most programs were american,basketball,baseball and gridiron.Most young poor kids learnt that playing these games{just across the ocean}would earn them millions and most players had the same skin colour.
Holding has always said it ruined cricket in the windies.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Mick Holding once said that after the islands got real television,{in the 70s}most programs were american,basketball,baseball and gridiron.Most young poor kids learnt that playing these games{just across the ocean}would earn them millions and most players had the same skin colour.
Holding has always said it ruined cricket in the windies.

It's sad.

I love Mikey Holding. Best commentator and best voice in the game. I could listen to him read the ingredients off the back of a cereal box.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Mick Holding once said that after the islands got real television,{in the 70s}most programs were american,basketball,baseball and gridiron.Most young poor kids learnt that playing these games{just across the ocean}would earn them millions and most players had the same skin colour.
Holding has always said it ruined cricket in the windies.

There is obviously some truth to that but I'm not buying it as the ultimate problem, when you hear Lara and Viv make similar comments on their player development being putrid I think there's alot more to it.... and then there's the money and inter-island politics ie. a giant shit sammich with many layers.

 

[JoseMourinho]

Epic twist in the WA/SA Test match.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Shield match, Jose. Great to see my boy Agar take 10 wickets and make 64 off 47 balls. Perfect timing with the press talking up nude-nut doorknobber Steve O'Keefe for the Ashes tour.