Unsolved The Beaumont Children

[johnymac1]

I see that some Beaumont files have been released through freedom of information. I don't know how much they would cost. There may be information from witnesses that may not seem relevant to the police, but may relate to my poi.
Has anyone read them? Or have copies?

how long have they been available?

 

[johnymac1]

In this clip from the NFSA, channel Nine reports on the Bakery sighting

https://www.nfsa.gov.au/collection/curated/asset/98626-missing-beaumont-children-significant-clue

Police seem to dismiss it at the time

some Ch 9 show from 2014

https://www.nfsa.gov.au/collection/curated/asset/99409-disappearance-beaumont-children

 

[Lyn]

In this clip from the NFSA, channel Nine reports on the Bakery sighting

https://www.nfsa.gov.au/collection/curated/asset/98626-missing-beaumont-children-significant-clue

Police seem to dismiss it at the time

some Ch 9 show from 2014

https://www.nfsa.gov.au/collection/curated/asset/99409-disappearance-beaumont-children

It's really good to see these old clips. I wonder if the bakery lady is still alive. My poi also thought nothing of splashing pound notes. I recall $100 in 1973. Now that was a lot of money. It's all about being the good guy and control

 

[Lyn]

what's the best book if someone was willing to stumble into the rabbit hole that is the Beaumonts? I borrowed Unmasking The Killer by Hayes/Mullins but I think I've seen a bunch of people say that one is barking up an iffy

Agreeing that sounds like a place that would be ticking all the boxes.. given Percy's age, limited experience, and likely impulsive nature at the time, it's reasonable to suggest he’d probably have stayed near familiar areas around Glenelg; within abt 10-15 km. This would keep him close enough to places he knew, without attracting too much attention

Coastal spots, creeks, and small bushland areas nearby would be accessible for concealing the children, without needing any special skills or tools. Places like the local beaches with dunes, or perhaps the sturt river or patawalonga creek may offer natural cover, helping to avoid immediate discovery, especially given the extreme 38°C heat

In such high temperatures, Percy might have been drawn to shaded or water accessible spots to slow decomposition and limit odours, lowering the risk of detection. This environment would also mean he’d avoid lengthy concealment methods like deep burial, likely relying instead on natural barriers like dunes, vegetation, or creek beds for quick and discreet hiding

What was Percy's physical features at the time? Any photos around?
So, the talk is, that he was in Adelaide with his family, for a sailing regatta.

Wouldn’t waste money on it! No way Phipps was responsible.

Agree

 

[BonzaRam]

What was Percy's physical features at the time? Any photos around?
So, the talk is, that he was in Adelaide with his family, for a sailing regatta.

 

[DropBearess]

I've researched this case for over 50 years, using all information l could get my hands on. I lived near Glenelg and am very familiar with the area; the demographics, the terrain, the beaches and the vast areas of vacant land at the time.
I have extensively picked apart all the known possible suspects and l still come up with the same name. I think Derek Percy, only 17 at the time, abducted and killed the children. I have multiple reasons why l believe this. Percy has never denied he committed this crime and in 1969, was responsible for the most heinous child murder ever known in Australia. I think the Phipps story is bollocks.

It's excellent to see this case still being actively discussed here!

 

[Lyn]

I would think this may be a photo of when he was older. Wasn't he only 17 at the time the BC were abducted?

 

[Lyn]

I've researched this case for over 50 years, using all information l could get my hands on. I lived near Glenelg and am very familiar with the area; the demographics, the terrain, the beaches and the vast areas of vacant land at the time.
I have extensively picked apart all the known possible suspects and l still come up with the same name. I think Derek Percy, only 17 at the time, abducted and killed the children. I have multiple reasons why l believe this. Percy has never denied he committed this crime and in 1969, was responsible for the most heinous child murder ever known in Australia. I think the Phipps story is bollocks.

It's excellent to see this case still being actively discussed here!

Percy was certainly one sick individual. I would like to know - Was he actively involved with the sailing? Was there a window of opportunity, first day to groom, then to abduct, kill and dispose of three bodies on another day? At 17 would he have had a pound note to bribe the children?

 

[Lyn]

what's the best book if someone was willing to stumble into the rabbit hole that is the Beaumonts? I borrowed Unmasking The Killer by Hayes/Mullins but I think I've seen a bunch of people say that one is barking up an iffy tree.

I have done a lot of research. I don not think Phipps is the person who committed this crime. However, I found this book provided a lot of peripheral information about the case.

 

[Lyn]

how long have they been available?

I think it was quite recent. I have just sent an email enquiry. I will give an update, if I receive a reply

 

[BonzaRam]

I would think this may be a photo of when he was older. Wasn't he only 17 at the time the BC were abducted?

He was 17 when the BC disappeared, that photo is his mugshot from the Yvonne Tuohy Murder in 1969.

His criminal behavior was first noticed in 1964 by police, that includes sexual assaults on his neighbors children in his own backyard. He had no fear...

Percy was certainly one sick individual. I would like to know - Was he actively involved with the sailing? Was there a window of opportunity, first day to groom, then to abduct, kill and dispose of three bodies on another day? At 17 would he have had a pound note to bribe the children?

Him and his father were avid competitive sailors and traveled to sailing events.

The sailing events were over by the 8th Jan, The test cricket, of which he was an avid fan, ran until the 1st Feb so yeah over 21 available days in which to plan, groom and commit...

Well 1 pound today would be worth $16 so the real question is how much spending money would his parents give him for a 3 week holiday?

 

[BonzaRam]

I have done a lot of research. I don not think Phipps is the person who committed this crime. However, I found this book provided a lot of peripheral information about the case.

I agree when it comes to Phipps, i got a lot of extra info on Percy from Debi Marshall's "Lambs to the Slaughter" and if ya can stomach the graphic details of his behavior and crimes then it is worth a read IMO.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

I've researched this case for over 50 years, using all information l could get my hands on. I lived near Glenelg and am very familiar with the area; the demographics, the terrain, the beaches and the vast areas of vacant land at the time.
I have extensively picked apart all the known possible suspects and l still come up with the same name. I think Derek Percy, only 17 at the time, abducted and killed the children. I have multiple reasons why l believe this. Percy has never denied he committed this crime and in 1969, was responsible for the most heinous child murder ever known in Australia. I think the Phipps story is bollocks.

It's excellent to see this case still being actively discussed here!

I also feel Percy is likely responsible, but I'm not sure the bodies never being found matches Percy as the killer? His brazen/impulsive/psychotic behaviour doesn't seem to correlate with such a scenario.

I'm curious, what's your take on Percy being the killer but no bodies being found? How did he do it?

 

[DropBearess]

I also feel Percy is likely responsible, but I'm not sure the bodies never being found matches Percy as the killer? His brazen/impulsive/psychotic behaviour doesn't seem to correlate with such a scenario.

I'm curious, what's your take on Percy being the killer but no bodies being found? How did he do it?

I don't think anyone who has read 'Lambs to the Slaughter' could possibly eliminate Percy as the killer of the children. He was horrendously dangerous and more than capable of absolutely ANYTHING. Many years ago l read an excerpt of his "writings" which detailed his desire to abduct and kill several children at once. I won't go into it.

An inquest into the 1968 murder of Linda Stillwell found Percy was almost certainly the culprit, despite her body never being found. She disappeared from a very public place with seemingly nowhere to conceal a body, but Percy managed it somehow. Abductions of more than one child at a time are exceptionally rare, but it was proven in the Touhy case. He was also a suspect for Wanda, so must be considered for the Beaumonts. As far as I know, there have been no other unsolved cases in Australia of more than one child missing/killed at the same time after Percy was taken out of circulation, other than the Adelaide Oval abductions in 1973.

We also know Percy's parents were complicit in covering up his earlier crimes, such as the caravan incident. He also stole, accumulated and slashed women's clothing at 15. He had an obsession with urine and faeces. It seems impossible for his parents not to have known any of this, living in a small house with him. We even need to consider that his father may possibly have been an accessory of sorts after the fact.... ("what the hell have you done now Derek!!). Percy was never found to be insane, but it's hard to believe his incredibly bizarre behaviour and fixations came from absolutely nowhere.

There were huge tracts of undeveloped lands and sandhills around Glenelg and West Beach in 1966. As kids, we had forts and cubbyholes at West Beach where we would hide things which were never discovered. Needless to say, all our parents put a stop to that in 1966.

 

[TJK117]

It's highly unlikely it was Percy for several reasons.

1. Percy was seventeen at the time. The man seen with the children was estimated to be in his mid-30s to early 40s. I know there were varying descriptions regarding things like hair colour of the suspect but the age estimations has been consistent.
2. The children had likely met their abductor on a previous trip to the beach based on how comfortable they were with the man they were last seen with despite the fact that Jane was known to be shy around adults. You also have the comments from the younger siblings to the parents about a "boyfriend" of Janes.
3. Percy's MO doesn't match this case. With most of Percys crimes, he would stalk, then violently abduct his victims which were random and opportunistic. Whoever took the Beaumonts had met them previously, was patient and likely had experience in grooming children (i.e. slowly gaining trust over at least two seperate occasions, probably stole their money so they had to rely on him for lunch and getting home).
4. Percy didn't have the means to abduct, murder and dispose of three children. You're not abducting and murdering three children without some means of transport and having some knowledge of the area. Percy didn't have a car and I'm not sure he could even drive at that stage of his life. If he was in Adelaide at the time, he would've been with his family and they'd probably would've recalled if something was off at the time considering they were pretty open about his issues as a teenager.
5. The 1 pound note. 1 pound in 1966 would be worth between 30-35 AUD in today's currency, not 16 AUD. I could be wrong but I highly doubt Percy was handing out pound notes at 17. I don't think there would be many people doing that in 1966.

There's far more evidence linking Percy to other murders such as Simon Brook, Linda Stillwell, Marianne Schmidt Christine Sharrock. For what it's worth, I think he's responsible for all of the mentioned at the least.

While I have significant doubts about Harry Phipps, he's far more likely than Percy with his connection to the area, his reputation of handing out pound notes and getting two teenagers to dig a hole on his factory grounds that he didn't let them fill in just days after the children went missing. Not to mention he's been accused of sexually assaulting at least two children, one of which is his son. I know they excavated his factory in 2018 and only found animals bones but by some accounts, they didn't go down deep enough as Phipps had a layer of soil added on top not long after the children went missing. There also the story of an investigator allegedly seeing a purse very similar to Jane's in Phipps basement and being rushed out by Phipps wife when pointed out.

However, if I had to pick, the culprits are Anthony Munro/Max McIntyre with the children buried in the sinkhole on McIntyres property in Stansbury. Whether you consider Andrew McIntyre reliable or not is debatable but he was telling the truth about Munro, and you have the death bed confession video of Max admitting he knew what happened to the children. Not to mention the sinkhole being allegedly filled in days after the children went missing.

 

[Macca180]

However, if I had to pick, the culprits are Anthony Munro/Max McIntyre with the children buried in the sinkhole on McIntyres property in Stansbury. Whether you consider Andrew McIntyre reliable or not is debatable but he was telling the truth about Munro, and you have the death bed confession video of Max admitting he knew what happened to the children. Not to mention the sinkhole being allegedly filled in days after the children went missing.

Has anyone ever investigated this sinkhole?