they can hold a fair few people at launceston.
i'm pretty sure they allow pets into the venue as well
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The Big 4 If It Were Decided Today
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they can hold a fair few people at launceston.
i'm pretty sure they allow pets into the venue as well
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Carlton have higher average attendances than West Coast.
Point still remains that the four of these clubs are still the top 4 in terms of attendances. Completely irrelevant though otherwise north would win the wooden spoon every year.
Hawthorn are not a big club either, 15 years ago they were on the verge of merging with Melbourne. They need to play 4 of their home games in Tasmania to survive.
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Carlton have higher averages than West Coast because West Coast is limited to a 40,000 seat stadium. If they had a 60,000 stadium then this would be relevant.
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If the eagles were such a big club they would have a larger stadium, simple supply and demand. xoxo. Carlton are also limited by playing games at Etihad stadium such as the Hawthorn and Geelong games where both were sold out, so our averages were also hindered.
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Surely you cannot be serious? Subiaco is the only ground big enough to hold AFL matches in Perth and has a 40,000 capacity. The Eagles have a waiting list for membership and constantly sell out the ground as do Fremantle. The Geelong vs Carlton and Carlton vs Hawthorn games at Etihad only drew 48,000 and 52,000 respectively and both were below Etihad capacity. The reason you are playing at Etihad is because of your former president.
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I can't be serious? Why not? If the eagles were this massive club people say they are then they would have a larger stadium.
As for your points about the Hawthorn and Geelong games surely you know sold out =/= Not an empty seat in the house. Similar to you saying we are stuck at Etihad by our own fault, it is the eagles fault that a larger stadium had not been built.
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This has been a major problem over here and has become political. Burswood is the supposed new arena's home and will seat 60k I think but this is a 5 year project +.
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Then why were the official crowd figures especially for the Geelong game well below capacity and I was able to buy standing room or seating tickets late in the second quarter when I got there?
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Did Carlton pay the 7 million in loans due on October 31 on did they get them rolled over again because they still can't pay them? 
Biggest current asset deficiency in the league.
Biggest current asset deficiency in the league.
Its pointless to compare foundation to clubs who have spent less then half their time in the VFL/AFL. Ideal situation for the AFL would be clubs all been of equal status to actually benefit the AFL instead of clubs continually dominating like Manchester United and Chelsea in the EPL.
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And not once have we ever looked to merge with another club. Could you also describe a Current Asset 'deficiency' as I studied accounting for 3 years and this is not something I have ever heard?Did Carlton pay the 7 million in loans due on October 31 on did they get them rolled over again because they still can't pay them?
Biggest current asset deficiency in the league.
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It's pretty funny seeing West Coast supporters reactions in this thread.
The MCC reserve is 23 K, I'm not sure on the AFL reserve but it would be 30 K at least.
The MCG may have a capacity of 100 k but there is 53 K right there. I'm a MCC member & a Collingwood one, the Collingwood membership doesn't get you access to both reserves. The Collingwood reserve would be at least 25 K & the rest is taken by the other club.
So you have a membership base of 70 K & a dedicated allocation of 25 K. Comparatively, WC have a Stadium of 40 K where 95% of it can be allocated to members, still superior than the member rights Collingwood has the MCG. If Collingwood built a dedicated stadium exclusively for Collingwood members, our membership base would increase massively, that said, it's a weak arguement to gauge support.
The MCC reserve is 23 K, I'm not sure on the AFL reserve but it would be 30 K at least.
The MCG may have a capacity of 100 k but there is 53 K right there. I'm a MCC member & a Collingwood one, the Collingwood membership doesn't get you access to both reserves. The Collingwood reserve would be at least 25 K & the rest is taken by the other club.
So you have a membership base of 70 K & a dedicated allocation of 25 K. Comparatively, WC have a Stadium of 40 K where 95% of it can be allocated to members, still superior than the member rights Collingwood has the MCG. If Collingwood built a dedicated stadium exclusively for Collingwood members, our membership base would increase massively, that said, it's a weak arguement to gauge support.
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Chelsea were a mid-table team that only tasted success once Abramovich heavily invested into the team. United, Liverpool and Arsenal are the clubs you mean.
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Richmond=Big One.
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Old Big4 is still the new Big4.
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I could quibble over the exact order, but this is pretty much it. GWS/GC would come in above the 4 lowest Vic clubs ( and Port a bit higher ), because the AFL very much want at least 2 teams per market.
Did Carlton pay the 7 million in loans due on October 31 on did they get them rolled over again because they still can't pay them?
Biggest current asset deficiency in the league.
Seeing as you think you are so clever, please provide the breakdown of these loans & then explain what the loans are for & then explain why you think they were all "due in" on 31 October.
After you have finished that little exercise, then provide the same information for each other club which had outstanding loans as at 31 October.
When that is done, please explain why the allegedly financially strong Hawthorn Football Club continues to sell home games, resulting in Victorian based Hawks supporters seeing less games live than the Victorian based supporters of the other Victorian clubs. Then finally, tell us all what Hawthorn's bottom line looks like, minus the sponsorship from the Tas Govt.
Lol. Do all that cause you want him to? You do it and show us.
I don't know the answers re Carlton's debt. Do the blues owe/did they ever owe $7 mill on PP/OO/whatever its called now days? Have they paid it back? Can they pay it back soon? If not, that is a worrying situation for them and the league. Not that they are the only club with $ issues!
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Well this thread isn't asking the "big 4" if it were decided 15 years ago.
Well it's not really the point and certainly doesn't answer my question, but if you really want to know it is in Carlton's financial statements so maybe you could email Ernst & Young and ask.
"As at 31 October 2010 the Carlton Football Club has a current asset deficiency of $8,079,834. This gives rise to significant uncertainty about the ability of the company to continue to operate as a going concern".
Reads like a financial powerhouse.
I'm sure you can piece together what it means.
Or you could do all that shit yourself if you're so interested.
Just as I thought, you have no idea what you are talking about. Yes our club has debt (you will find even the Collingwood Football Club has debts), but the debt was not "due in" (whatever that means) by 31 October.
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Carlton supporters must realise that they are no longer a big juggernaut like they use to be. The past decade of poor on field performances coupled with terrible off field management has severely set Carlton back. Furthermore, we are now in the era of the AFL, not the VFL anymore. Neither Carlton nor Hawthorn are part of the "big 4". This so called "Big 4" would be Collingwood, WCE, Adelaide and Essendon anyway.
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So because I'm not going to be your lackey and find out all this shit you want to know I don't know what I'm talking about? I never mentioned Collingwood, but if you think Carlton's working capital is comparable to Collingwood's maybe I don't know what I'm talking about...As for October 31, the commercial bill is due for review every October and the guarantee from the AFL expires on October 31. Now that we're in November and that date has passed I think it's a legitimate question, was there a payment or was it rolled over again?
Not sure why you keep quoting "due in", here's my post and nowhere does it say "due in".
If all you've got is my poor choice of words maybe Carlton are a financial powerhouse...
Or maybe you could address the actual issue:0.22 : 1
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So Rioli_Magic, I'm assuming you mean Maurice right?
Doesn't Real Madrid have a 400million dollar debt? I'd still say they're a bigger club than Hawthorn, and so is Carlton...
Doesn't Real Madrid have a 400million dollar debt? I'd still say they're a bigger club than Hawthorn, and so is Carlton...
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People who assume....
Don't know and don't care. Where did I say Hawthorn were a bigger club than Carlton? Just assuming again? Apart from asking a simple question re Carlton the only other post I've made in regards to them was stating that I think West Coast are currently a bigger club. And as the OP is asking "if the big 4 were decided today", I'd have West Coast in there before Carlton, before Richmond too. Seems obvious to me, more successful, more money, more supporters...bigger club.
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