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Doubtful. He had already offended in Huntingdale prior to meeting his wife. Murder was probably mostly employed in order to avoid his victims identifying him.Perhaps the person looked like Wife No.1. I thought he killed the victims because he was angry at his wife.
Some of the seeds of his violent behavior might be so personal, that he doesn't want them ever brought into the public domain, or at least not disclosed at this point in time.Doubtful. He had already offended in Huntingdale prior to meeting his wife. Murder was probably mostly employed in order to avoid his victims identifying him
It's crossed my mind that one or two of those women may go or have gone to Freedom of Information to obtain the Statement they provided in 1987/1988. They'd be entitled to have it. As far as I know FOI will probably blank out the police officer's names. If statements were amongst the paperwork found in Van Tongeron's tub, which WAPOL have in their possession, that information will be heavily guarded and the public won't get to see that. Rather than keep it, they may have already shredded it. They'll be keeping very tight lipped.
I've got a feeling we'll have women who eventually come forward to reveal information, but WAPOL will just reply, something like, "Yes she did report a matter but the perpetrator doesn't fit with BREs description", or "There's no such evidence to support that theory" or another possible comeback, "As far as we're concerned the matters bought up in court were the only incidents pertaining to BRE".
WAPOL will already have organized and practiced what to say. You get my drift.
Hi Metic,"If statements were amongst the paperwork found in Van Tongeron's tub, which WAPOL have in their possession, that information will be heavily guarded and the public won't get to see that."
Van Tongeron's tub ? What you talking about ?
Hi Metic,
There's information in Bret Christian's book 'Stalking Claremont'. Sometime back in 2013 the CSK detectives started to look at historic sex crimes. They went to a police archive place, and began searching through tubs of old evidence. In Dec 2016 they found a tub of Van Tongeren's evidence. Van Tongeren was the one who blew up the Chinese restaurant in Ferndale. He lived in Gosnells and his campaign was ramping up in 1988. When they looked into the Van Tongeren tub they found bits and pieces of evidence, which pertained to BRE (didn't contain his name and address). The 1988 paperwork which included the break-ins, a man in a nightie, standing outside houses etc. They located the kimono on 1 Dec 2016. Amongst the evidence were some fingerprints, belonging to BRE, which matched the ones from the HH attack.
We know in 1988 the Gosnells police were looking for BRE, because of the break-ins. It might be, the Van Tongeren problem was much bigger and they concentrated on him.
The details and discussion on this are probably in the thread dedicated to Bret Christian's new CSK book which Kurve recently renamed so that it refers to his new CSK book. A thread that is now closed.some recent mentions surfacing on this thread concerning the 1988 van tongeren case, is something new to me.
i am unaware of any of the details.
perhaps it has, or should have, its own thread??
I read a book written by Van Tongeren (no, I’m not a supporter of his at all, I just am interested in books set in Perth), and Van Tongeren and his supporters operated at night throughout the Perth metro area in the late 80s. He was putting up racist stickers and posters. Maybe the police thought it could be related. It’s a long shot, but it’s unusual that the Huntingdale Prowler’s evidence was mixed with Van Tongeren’s. Although yeah, probably just a filing error.Hi Metic,
There's information in Bret Christian's book 'Stalking Claremont'. Sometime back in 2013 the CSK detectives started to look at historic sex crimes. They went to a police archive place, and began searching through tubs of old evidence. In Dec 2016 they found a tub of Van Tongeren's evidence. Van Tongeren was the one who blew up the Chinese restaurant in Ferndale. He lived in Gosnells and his campaign was ramping up in 1988. When they looked into the Van Tongeren tub they found bits and pieces of evidence, which pertained to BRE (didn't contain his name and address). The 1988 paperwork which included the break-ins, a man in a nightie, standing outside houses etc. They located the kimono on 1 Dec 2016. Amongst the evidence were some fingerprints, belonging to BRE, which matched the ones from the HH attack.
We know in 1988 the Gosnells police were looking for BRE, because of the break-ins. It might be, the Van Tongeren problem was much bigger and they concentrated on him.
Wow ok thanks lam, that Jack van T I remember his campaign and that was what piquied my interest. Will catch up on that asap..Hi Metic,
There's information in Bret Christian's book 'Stalking Claremont'. Sometime back in 2013 the CSK detectives started to look at historic sex crimes. They went to a police archive place, and began searching through tubs of old evidence. In Dec 2016 they found a tub of Van Tongeren's evidence. Van Tongeren was the one who blew up the Chinese restaurant in Ferndale. He lived in Gosnells and his campaign was ramping up in 1988. When they looked into the Van Tongeren tub they found bits and pieces of evidence, which pertained to BRE (didn't contain his name and address). The 1988 paperwork which included the break-ins, a man in a nightie, standing outside houses etc. They located the kimono on 1 Dec 2016. Amongst the evidence were some fingerprints, belonging to BRE, which matched the ones from the HH attack.
We know in 1988 the Gosnells police were looking for BRE, because of the break-ins. It might be, the Van Tongeren problem was much bigger and they concentrated on him.
If it was a simple filing error, that might explain why it was overlooked. As the Von Tongeran case went to court, you'd think that would have formed part of the evidence. Someone mentioned in the other forum, that it's possible, one of the CSK detectives may have recalled there was a Huntingdale prowler in 1988 and were on the look out for the kimono. When the kimono was located, priority was placed on it's DNA testing - i.e. sent by courier to the testing place.I read a book written by Van Tongeren (no, I’m not a supporter of his all, I just am interested in books set in Perth), and Van Tongeren and his supporters operated at night throughout the Perth metro area in the late 80s. He was putting up racist stickers and posters. Maybe the police thought it could be related. It’s a long shot, but it’s unusual that the Huntingdale Prowler’s evidence was mixed with Van Tongeren’s. Although yeah, probably just a filing error.
that it's possible, one of the CSK detectives may have recalled there was a Huntingdale prowler in 1988 and were on the look out for the kimono. When the kimono was located, priority was placed on it's DNA testing - i.e. sent by courier to the testing place.
Don't know. If it's anything like Operation Air who were looking for Ivan Milat, the individual detectives weren't allowed any individual praise, all praise was saved for the head of the operation.Why not just say that was the case then? Why miss an opportunity to brag about one of their officers going all hound dog on a kimono?
I remember Van Tongeren, as a young person at the time it horrified me to know that there was not only some one with such radical views in my community, but also that they were acting on them!! (those were the days when you could be horrified at such things, its the norm now and worse !! )I read a book written by Van Tongeren (no, I’m not a supporter of his all, I just am interested in books set in Perth), and Van Tongeren and his supporters operated at night throughout the Perth metro area in the late 80s. He was putting up racist stickers and posters. Maybe the police thought it could be related. It’s a long shot, but it’s unusual that the Huntingdale Prowler’s evidence was mixed with Van Tongeren’s. Although yeah, probably just a filing error.
it just blows me away that this case keep on coming up with mishaps/situations whereby BRE was over looked !!
Yes, another mishap in BREs favour. We should probably list all the mishaps.I remember Van Tongeren, as a young person at the time it horrified me to know that there was not only some one with such radical views in my community, but also that they were acting on them!! (those were the days when you could be horrified at such things, its the norm now and worse !! )
As for the prowler evidence in the wrong evidence box, we can atm only put it down to human error. But it just blows me away that this case keep on coming up with mishaps/situations whereby BRE was over looked !!
Unfortunately, Jezza hasn't been on the forum for quite some time. Shame, because he was good value.hi all, I've been away for most of January, what's happened to Jezza Perth? Is he still around or has he left us?
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Even more likely if the stories of him asking people questions and starting discussions about the CSK are true.Now that we know partially of his behaviours, I’d definitely say he had it booked marked as well as websleuths. Both covered CSK case. He would’ve thought “Gee whiz aren’t I clever?”. If you search Bravincat, There are some forums (maybe re-edit) that he posted in.
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