The Burden of the 3 Losses have Disappeared

[Dr Tigris]

The finals losses kicked the coaching group pretty hard, by various things they have said. The Norf loss really hit them. So they did .....
And that went well

I just hope that 2016 really did force a big change in attitude. Certainly had resulted in major changes to the coaching group. Hopefully Balme can keep them on the straight and narrow. At best the team has the ability to go against anyone. As someone said sink or swim.

 

[NZ_Tiger]

How many fans are doing that exactly? Is social media full of optimism towards 2017 or have I missed something?

Think you're wrong about that. Would be pretty hard working for the RFC as the fans can eat you alive on social media more than anything else.

I'm trying to put forward an accurate account of the mindset in the aftermath of those 3 finals losses and how much of a burden they were on our 2016 campaign in order to get a better idea of where we actually stand heading into season 2017.

I've made a specific claim about the mindset of the place this time last year, let's keep this thread strictly on topic and not dumb it down into a brightsider vs darksider labelling contest.

Big footy and Social media aren't the majority. Plenty of Gullible Richmond people like you who eat up anything this administration dishes up and asks for more. Here's a thought? Lets look at past performance and then project future performance?

The worst recruiter in the league gets nine years at this club, just shows that the bar is set too low at RFC.

 

[NaturalDisaster]

Must be nice to work at the RFC with so many fans ready to invent excuses for repeated failure.

There's a difference between an excuse and a reason..The OP has given a possible reason.. No difference than saying Hardwick sucks

 

[Nantes]

There's a difference between an excuse and a reason..The OP has given a possible reason.. No difference than saying Hardwick sucks

Basically correct, however a reason is a cause and effect explanation of occurrences, beliefs or intentions. An excuse is a reason given for why one failed to meet an obligation

Although different in meaning, the words are frequently interchanged.

 

[NZ_Tiger]

There's a difference between an excuse and a reason..The OP has given a possible reason.. No difference than saying Hardwick sucks

Same thing and it is different from saying Hardwick sucks as that's a statement not an argument, though a statement that's hard to disagree with.

 

[mopsy]

Always looking for excuses never owning up to the real problems.

 

[I Rock]

Do you honestly think the club was happy after being knocked out of the finals in the first week three seasons in a row?

Gotta love the holier than thou attitude of some supporters thinking they are the only ones who want success

I don't have to think about it, the Football Manager confirmed it. In fact the Football Manager was perplexed as to why he and the Club weren't getting more slaps on the back from outside the four walls.

As for you last sentence, not everyone thinks the only way to "truly" support the Club is to stick your head in the sand and swallow the PR garbage it constantly spews out.

 

[Groupie_]

will always be in the back of their minds

 

[TigerImposter]

They conducted the review five years too late.

 

[CoggaRules]

I think the problems started, when the Club as a collective got too over hydrated from the copious amounts of bathwater being drunk down at the joint. There was tons of back slapping after the Club achieved not much but ticked off the internal KPI's and then it was just assumed it was all going to fall in to place on the back of stability. Taking all that in to account, it's must have been a real shock when reality came knocking.

We are in deep shit if reality had to come knocking dude. Let's not forget we are supposed to have learned people in positions where smart switched on people are required. Instead they needed reality to tell them something most of us knew

 

[Roachy8]

OP may be right.
Certainly we have demonstrated a complete lack of ability to cope mentally with expectations - I've been posting for ages about this.
If something has lifted this weight of expectation then yes - we may have a better year in 2017 and perhaps get into another elimination final.

However, what will happen if we lose a modest lead heading into the 4th qtr though - in that circumstance sadly I will again be shitting myself...

 

[Helen Wheels]

They conducted the review five years too lat?

Everything could always have been better.

 

[Roachy8]

I think the problems started, when the Club as a collective got too over hydrated from the copious amounts of bathwater being drunk down at the joint. There was tons of back slapping after the Club achieved not much but ticked off the internal KPI's and then it was just assumed it was all going to fall in to place on the back of stability. Taking all that in to account, it's must have been a real shock when reality came knocking.

This too was the root of it IMO - way ahead of ourselves far too quickly.

Potbelleez playing at training FFS...

 

[Nantes]

This too was the root of it IMO - way ahead of ourselves far too quickly.

Potbelleez playing at training FFS...

God, what next a parade of white horses and a sing along with Daryl ******** Braithwaite.

 

[TigerImposter]

God, what next a parade of white horses and a sing along with Daryl ******** Braithwaite.

The best was that preseason documentary put on for the rest of the football world to see and have a giggle over.

 

[Nantes]

The best was that preseason documentary put on for the rest of the football world to see and have a giggle over.

Rings a bell but I don't think I watched it.

 

[Helen Wheels]

Lets look at past performance and then project future performance?

Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results

 

[TigerImposter]

Rings a bell but I don't think I watched it.

It went for an hour and was gut wrenching. I will send you a link , but I warn you some scenes are disturbing.

 

[Nantes]

Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results

WB 2015 team like this post.

 

[Nantes]

It went for an hour and was gut wrenching. I will send you a link , but I warn you some scenes are disturbing.

I'll pass.

 

[BedrockLP]

Good news is we only have to wait half a year to find out how good or bad the season is going to be........

Far out this summer thing is over-rated

 

[Rance2Mewtwo]

Big footy and Social media aren't the majority. Plenty of Gullible Richmond people like you who eat up anything this administration dishes up and asks for more. Here's a thought? Lets look at past performance and then project future performance?

The worst recruiter in the league gets nine years at this club, just shows that the bar is set too low at RFC.

Do you believe the burden of those finals losses weigh on their shoulders equally this pre-season compared to last year's pre-season?

Yes or no?

That is what this thread is about. It seems you've gone off on a slight tangent and condescendingly viewed my post as merely gullible propaganda rather than a credible argument worthy of your analysis. Do you normally navigate the world by shirking the engagement of other peoples' arguments? If so, that's quite lazy.

"Let's look at past performance"

Okay, let's look at past performance.

2012: 10
2013: 15
2014: 12
2015: 15
2016: 8

We're averaging exactly 12 wins a year for the past 5 years under Hardwick, including this season when we threw in the towel and played kids in favour of a couple more wins (good call).

I have several more points to support my argument, but I'm not going to dominate discussion. In short, I believe the demons of those 3 finals losses weighed more heavily on the club than we realised at the time. The reduced expectations in response to our poor 2016 season means that weight has been lifted.

If you look at our past performance, the introduction of Prestia/Caddy/Yarran to the main group, the assistant coaching overhaul, and the appointment of Balme, I believe there's a greater chance that in 3-4 years we'll all look back on 2016 as an aberration rather than an indication of what the future holds.

 

[Al Kemy]

Now we have the burden of an epic fail of a season and Dimma's head on the chopping block.

Wow two posts in and we have a Dimma dig. Got to be a new record

 

[NZ_Tiger]

Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results

In isolation if we are talking about random chance, in everything else it's solid.

 

[NZ_Tiger]

Do you believe the burden of those finals losses weigh on their shoulders equally this pre-season compared to last year's pre-season?

Yes or no?

That is what this thread is about. It seems you've gone off on a slight tangent and condescendingly viewed my post as merely gullible propaganda rather than a credible argument worthy of your analysis. Do you normally navigate the world by shirking the engagement of other peoples' arguments? If so, that's quite lazy.

"Let's look at past performance"

Okay, let's look at past performance.

2012: 10
2013: 15
2014: 12
2015: 15
2016: 8

We're averaging exactly 12 wins a year for the past 5 years under Hardwick, including this season when we threw in the towel and played kids in favour of a couple more wins (good call).

I have several more points to support my argument, but I'm not going to dominate discussion. In short, I believe the demons of those 3 finals losses weighed more heavily on the club than we realised at the time. The reduced expectations in response to our poor 2016 season means that weight has been lifted.

If you look at our past performance, the introduction of Prestia/Caddy/Yarran to the main group, the assistant coaching overhaul, and the appointment of Balme, I believe there's a greater chance that in 3-4 years we'll all look back on 2016 as an aberration rather than an indication of what the future holds.

12 wins a year? Does that get you a flag or prelim? Surely over 5 YEARS we might have improved somewhat into a top four team instead of a bottom 6 team. You set the bar too low for these guys.