The CFMEU vs the AFL

[Lavender Bushranger]

CFMEU got a sweet deal during COVID, very close ties to Dan's faction. A thug union is a successful union.

That said they work closely with the master builder's cartel too. Setka is there because wealthy people want him there. If you don't like them taking bribes then gaol the Master Builder's for paying bribes.

To be fair, you need to acknowledge that 'big business' are thugs too.

You can't partake in a reasonable discussion about unions if you can't acknowledge that both sides demonstrate thuggish goon-like behaviour and have self-interest at heart in many cases.

Suggestions that unions are a bad thing are ludicrous to the same degree as saying that big business should be shutdown.

Both are essential in our current society, and both are full of crooks and people who would happily exploit others for their own benefit.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

The ABCC isn't there to exploit workers.

In the same way the ATO and FairWork aren't in place to exploit workers.

Please.

It's very naive to not believe that the Liberals take every opportunity possible to wound the unions.

They do it with the 'watch dogs' and they do it by attacking industry superannuation funds too.

 

[MarcMaverick]

This is one of those battles, where neither party is the "good guy". Popcorn, anyone?

 

[Sphynx]

To be fair, you need to acknowledge that 'big business' are thugs too.

You can't partake in a reasonable discussion about unions if you can't acknowledge that both sides demonstrate thuggish goon-like behaviour and have self-interest at heart in many cases.

Suggestions that unions are a bad thing are ludicrous to the same degree as saying that big business should be shutdown.

Both are essential in our current society, and both are full of crooks and people who would happily exploit others for their own benefit.

Please.

It's very naive to not believe that the Liberals take every opportunity possible to wound the unions.

They do it with the 'watch dogs' and they do it by attacking industry superannuation funds too.

How about we discuss reality in our country rather than a 1st year University unit, huh?

Unions are fine in principle.

In reality (i.e the only thing that matters) is that these organizations are closer to organised crime organisations than a theoretical workers rights party these days.

And by "wounding" the union, I don't think regulatory oversight is "wounding" them personally.

Just like I don't think the Robodebt investigation is an attempt at "wounding" the Liberal Party. If there has been shading dealings and illegal activity, people need to answer for that.


There is absolutely no defense for not having independent regulatory oversight in place. None.

How can the LPA be "stitching up" or "wounding" the CFMEU when the sitting federal government is an ALP one if the body was in place? The ALP could have removed McBurney if they wanted to in that scenario.

But no, we aren't even discussing this option, the ALP just wind it up all together!

It's much easier to have an 11pm vote a month after an election which is in the 4th page of the paper and in the news cycle for 24hrs and not spoken about for 3 years and not really understood by most of the voting public.

Sacking someone like McBurney would be a much greater PR disaster for the ALP. A senate enquiry could be raised into the governments decisions of the active body. Closing it down and sweeping all the skeletons under the rug for the next 3 easier is the far easier option.

And people complain about public debt.

 

[morsie]

Get woke , get smashed.You may think the crocodiles will eat you last but they will always eat you.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Mentioning "woke" is the new Godwin's law

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

There is absolutely no defense for not having independent regulatory oversight in place. None.

Yet the Liberals repeatedly fought against the Banking Royal Commission.


As I said, you cannot partake in reasonable debate on this topic unless you acknowledge that both sides are thugs and crooks.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

So what is the gripe exactly?

Is the umpires boss anti unions? And has history pushing back against unions?

It isn't a great look from Setka.

McBurney is a slimy little turd, a political appointee by the incredibly corrupt Morrison government.

None of that is to stand up for Setka, who is a piece of excrement himself.

 

[Sphynx]

Yet the Liberals repeatedly fought against the Banking Royal Commission.


As I said, you cannot partake in reasonable debate on this topic unless you acknowledge that both sides are thugs and crooks.

Whataboutism at it's finest.

Like I said, there's no defence for that, like there isn't for the ALP's open manipulation of the system to prevent any oversight of the CFMEU.

This isn't about the ALP vs the Liberals.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Whataboutism at it's finest.

Like I said, there's no defence for that, like there isn't for the ALP's open manipulation of the system to prevent any oversight of the CFMEU.

This isn't about the ALP vs the Liberals.

Call it what you like - but it's fact that 'oversight' is almost always used as a political tool to hurt, rather than to actually do good.

To deny that, is naivety of the highest order.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

He wasn't "sent in by the the Liberals"

The ABCC is a regulatory watchdog for the construction industry which investigates corruption and illegal practice.

ROFL. It’s a hit squad sent in by the Liberals to attack their political opponents.

If they were concerned about corruption or illegal practice then they’d also turn the torch on their own party and their own mates. Which will never happen.

The union movement has had plenty of corruption but at least has some historic runs on the board with regards to worker safety and rights.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

This isn't about the ALP vs the Liberals.

Lol. You said “he wasn’t sent in by the Liberals.”

That’s absolutely, precisely what happened.

 

[Sphynx]

ROFL. It’s a hit squad sent in by the Liberals to attack their political opponents.

If they were concerned about corruption or illegal practice then they’d also turn the torch on their own party and their own mates. Which will never happen.

The union movement has had plenty of corruption but at least has some historic runs on the board with regards to worker safety and rights.

Yeah, right


How exactly are they going to turn the torch on their own party and own mates?

 

[Muddiemoose]

Yeah, good luck with that.

The ALP know where their bread is buttered. They are a cuckold to the power of the CFMEU.

Given their almost completely transparent intentions (case in point Setka's comments) and the involvement of organised crime in every level of it, I think it tells you all what needs to be told that with all that going on, they still can't even distance themselves from them.

This isn't the BLF either, the CFMEU has hundreds of millions in stashed cash reserves for wars with government and political parties.

The ALP's election campaigns are built off their backing.

Businesses use similar organisations and do the exact same thing but instead of being called unions they are called Industry Associations

They are all two sides of the same coin

 

[Sphynx]

ROFL. It’s a hit squad sent in by the Liberals to attack their political opponents.

If they were concerned about corruption or illegal practice then they’d also turn the torch on their own party and their own mates. Which will never happen.

The union movement has had plenty of corruption but at least has some historic runs on the board with regards to worker safety and rights.

A "hit squad" sent in by the Liberals to attack their political opponents.

In reality, it was the recommendation of the Royal Commission into corruption in the building industry 20 years ago, by Justice Terrance Cole, a former NSW Supreme Court Judge and Judge Advocate for the ADF. Hardly a LPA lacky...

Recommendations the ALP has been actively dodging, closing down and circumventing for 20 years, for what possible gain or by who's insistence (I wonder...)

 

[Sphynx]

Businesses use similar organisations and do the exact same thing but instead of being called unions they are called Industry Associations

They are all two sides of the same coin

Last time I checked the Master Builders Association or Housing Industry Association of Australia didn't have Bikies active throughout their managerial ranks and didn't blockade major projects and act like a paramilitary organisation.

 

[Sphynx]

McBurney is a slimy little turd, a political appointee by the incredibly corrupt Morrison government.

None of that is to stand up for Setka, who is a piece of excrement himself.

McBurney had been involved with the different titles of the ABCC in senior roles for about 15 years.

Weird way to insert Morrison into it really.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Last time I checked the Master Builders Association or Housing Industry Association of Australia didn't have Bikies active throughout their managerial ranks and didn't blockade major projects and act like a paramilitary organisation.

More just a reflection of the people who work the types of jobs they represent but as I said before two sides of the same coin

Both organisations leverage the power they wield and large chunks of coin to lobby government to push self interests and visa versa

Anyone who has done any enterprise bargaining (I’ve been on both sides of the table) would happily tell you that both sides use underhanded tactics and will do whatever they can to get one over the other side without to much concern of the long term consequences or actually look for fair middle ground that is sustainable and the best outcome for everyone involved

 

[Obeanie1]

McBurney is a slimy little turd, a political appointee by the incredibly corrupt Morrison government.

None of that is to stand up for Setka, who is a piece of excrement himself.

So did McBurney hqve a crack at the unions?

What?

Edit. Ok he did. So the unions have him as a marked man.

This will be interesting how it works out.

 

[Cyclops]

To be fair, you need to acknowledge that 'big business' are thugs too.

You can't partake in a reasonable discussion about unions if you can't acknowledge that both sides demonstrate thuggish goon-like behaviour and have self-interest at heart in many cases.

Suggestions that unions are a bad thing are ludicrous to the same degree as saying that big business should be shutdown.

Both are essential in our current society, and both are full of crooks and people who would happily exploit others for their own benefit.

I agree completely. I am a union member of around 30 years (a bit less thuggish than the CFMEU) and they backed us up in industrial action, and we did the same.

I've gone on strike for rights for women, and other issues that do not affect me or my industry. Cost me several weeks pay all told, well worth it for a better society.

There are strong hints there's drug connections on building sites from apprentices and others in the building industry I know. It stinks and you have to ask if people in charge (Master Builders and Union leaders) know.

So I am not against more oversight in theory, if it was directed at all involved.

During lockdown some right wing groups tried to infiltrate the CFMEU and use them (and provoke them) to create violence. I recall Setka getting bread crates thrown at his head.

The stuff about bikie gangs and criminal organizations are partly true, there have been connections, but there are also "security firms" whose employees closely match bikie gang membership who have been involved in combating unions.

I am not an insider so the details seem hazy to me, but clearly the Liberal Party has an interest in smashing Australian Unions for their local and foreign masters.

 

[Sphynx]

So did McBurney hqve a crack at the unions?

What?

Edit. Ok he did. So the unions have him as a marked man.

This will be interesting how it works out.

What do you mean "have a crack"?

Is the director of public prosecutions "having a crack" at the outlaw motorcycle gangs for simply doing his job and bringing them before the courts?


It's McBurney's role in that position to investigate corruption and illegal activity in the Commercial, Mining and Infrastructure construction sectors.

That includes employers and enforcement of workers rights. Not just corruption in the unions. The same way FairWork rules on workers rights issues for another industries.

It was a Federal body setup after a Royal Commissions recommendations to be separate from FairWork, because of the pure scale of corruption involved requiring a completely independent body with it's own resources just to deal with this micro sector (Remembering it doesn't apply or having power over the housing industry) that wouldn't be lost under the guise of FairWork because of the scale of work required.

 

[Obeanie1]

What do you mean "have a crack"?

Is the director of public prosecutions "having a crack" at the outlaw motorcycle gangs for simply doing his job and bringing them before the courts?


It's McBurney's role in that position to investigate corruption and illegal activity in the Commercial, Mining and Infrastructure construction sectors.

That includes employers and enforcement of workers rights. Not just corruption in the unions. The same way FairWork rules on workers rights issues for another industries.

It was a Federal body setup after a Royal Commissions recommendations to be separate from FairWork, because of the pure scale of corruption involved requiring a completely independent body with it's own resources just to deal with this micro sector (Remembering it doesn't apply or having power over the housing industry) that wouldn't be lost under the guise of FairWork because of the scale of work required.

So they had a crack at corrupt union practices.

Fair enough.

I now understand the background here.

Sounds messy.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Setka is an oxygen thief. Wife beating scum.

 

[Sphynx]

So they had a crack at corrupt union practices.

Fair enough.

I now understand the background here.

Sounds messy.

It's kind of like the Liberals setting up an organised crime/narcotics/homocide specialist squad every time they are in power.

They have additional resources, funding and investigative powers that FairWork do not have. The allocated resources for that division within FairWork pale in comparison and can't compete with anywhere near the same level of detail or thoroughness.

Every time the ALP comes into power they dissolve this specialist squad and tell the local police station to handle it and pick up the slack and resourcing.

In this analogy, it's the drug king pin advising the Police Commissioner to shut down these squads.

How's that likely to go and what's the result?

You can see how ludicrous this whole situation is? Given the cancel culture and political correctness of the Aus media these days, it should also demonstrate the pure power of these unions being able to get away with it so blatantly and so often.

 

[Stumpy Pete]

I suspect Setka’s feeling some internal leadership challenge/pressure. Picked a big name target (AFL) to get some headlines and show people he’s “still got it”.

Otherwise this is a nothing burger.

Regards

S. Pete