Rules The 'Dissent' rule

[Jazny]

Sack Brad Scott!

 

[Whiskers]

Many cultures communicate by waving their arms about, good or bad. Not sure how you can have a blanket rule and call it dissent.

 

[Angus Young]

Game is so hard to watch now...

50m penalties for breathing... whistles for any contact... can´t open your mouth..lop sided free kick counts for home teams...

over umpired shit

 

[Simon_Says]

Honestly, this is Grade 2 crap.
there not abusing umpires verbally.

A pentalty for if a player (grown adult) shows an emotion by raising there arms in disbelief? Petracca, Harris Andrews

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Not abusing umpires verbally or physically but questioning a call. Pure BS.

 

[CJ To Finn]

From a community umpiring perspective, how to apply the dissent rule comes down to how the local umpires association directs their members. I have found that before each game, I have a chat to the other field umpire and make sure we are on the same page with what is acceptable and we pass that on to each team before the game. So far each panel has had the same understanding of the rule so I haven't seen any issues so far.

I think the application of the rule in the AFL up until this round has absolutely had a big impact. Yes seniors are less inclined to snap back but it does still happen from time to time. I've only paid one 50 for abuse in seniors this year which was fairly clear cut, the difference I found though was that all the other players totally understood why it was paid and carried on. I've even noticed the ground managers are a little more accommodating to the panels, so there are some improvements.

As far as the letter of the law goes, it is there, there is no questioning that. How it is applied is difficult though, and the way it has been adjudicated this week in the AFL has me a bit confused, and I will be seeking clarification at training this week. My direction to teams last round was that I am happy for respectful dialogue, but anything aggressive directed towards us will be pinged. Although honestly, I have a habit of ignoring most comments that are directed towards me and I am focused on watching the play, or keeping it moving with a quick ball up. It's really only the aggressive comments that catch my attention anyway.

CHANGES:

OUT - Brad Scott

IN - ACunningPlan

 

[Mr Magic]

Honestly, this is Grade 2 crap.
there not abusing umpires verbally.

A pentalty for if a player (grown adult) shows an emotion by raising there arms in disbelief? Petracca, Harris Andrews
Not abusing umpires verbally or physically but questioning a call. Pure BS.

Honestly, I believe its has been designed to protect umpires from pressures from AFL HQ to provide certain results, so really it is to protect hidden agenda's of the AFL from scrutiny

The fans and players are just being harvested

 

[Dangerousfield]

Sack Brad Scott!

Another jobs for the old boys recipient.

So this rule will be the legacy that Gil is remembered for - nice

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Brad Scott is a twat.

Where is Gil in all this? Banking cheques til his retirement? Say what you want about Demetriou he would never allow this to fester under his watch without coming out strongly one way or the other.

AFL urged to invest in umpires as participation numbers dwindle at community level

A confidential AFL review obtained by ABC Sport finds Australian football's umpiring shortage is in danger of continuing because participation is "not keeping up with the growth of the game".

www.abc.net.au

So what is the real reason for the umpiring crisis? And what are the AFL actually tangibly doing about other than this BS lip service?

The AFL don't respect umpires, if they did they would have former umpires in positions such as these instead of a "jobs for the boys" appointments to Brad Scott and Brenton Sanderson

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[staffonly]

Last week at in our local league it was farsical. The umpire in the first quarter would keep awarding a free against our ruckman he would ask what for and he would pay 50. The coach asked what for the next time 50 the captain asked the next time 50. Finally at 1/4 time our runner approached the two umpires asked what was going on at the center ball ups. The umpire replies he keeps jumping over the white line which is a free against. The other umpire then corrects him and says you've actually got the rule wrong. Bit late 4 goals in the first from a umpire not knowing the rule then not having the respect to offer a explanation.

 

[cartwright]

Absolute farce.
All they had to do was stamp out the swearing and screaming, and remonstrating with the umpire.... they're not going to change every little behaviour in 5 weeks. Raising the arms in disbelief, or just as absurd looking at the replay on the screen is not dissent.

 

[Bostonian]

The dipshits at AFL house seem to be confused with the meanings of words.

They are now are using the meaning of exasperated for the word dissent.

 

[RAPPA]

This is not engineering respect but instead is developing resentment. Where's the confidence amongst players that umpires learn from their mistakes and get better in their adjudication and observation of the game?

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Brad Scott is a twat.

Where is Gil in all this? Banking cheques til his retirement? Say what you want about Demetriou he would never allow this to fester under his watch without coming out strongly one way or the other.

WTF???

Like the Essendon doping scandal??

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

This is not engineering respect but instead is developing resentment. Where's the confidence amongst players that umpires learn from their mistakes and get better in their adjudication and observation of the game?

Let's be honest though, should umpires in any sport, ever, be taking advice on decisions during the heat of battle??

Come on.

 

[Wargreymon90]

Limit to no swearing, yelling or being demonstrative.

Players should be able to ask the question though.

 

[FastLane]

Great rule- clear that telling men and young boys to repress their emotions has done nothing but good for society

 

[danster168]

Players often thump the ground or grab their head in frustration when they give away a free (especially when an overzealous htb tackle gets in the players back and gives away a free) and an umpire is going to wrongly assume the remonstration is aimed at him.

Correct. People keep referring to the Heeney reaction as a good way to act but that's incorrect. He was clearly outraged with the decision but managed to restrain himself but the huffing and puffing he did initially by the stupid letter of this stupid law is umpire dissent.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Great rule- clear that telling men and young boys to repress their emotions has done nothing but good for society

That's a very unusual angle on it.

Footballers repress their emotions regularly on the football field. They repress frustration, disappointment anger and a bunch of other emotions throughout a game.

Sport isn't a free for all where men are given a green light to be animals with the inability to control their emotions.

What if a player gets dragged? Are you advocating them punching the coach in the face cause they're pissed off? What if a coach gives a player a spray at quarter time? Should be lose his shit and scream back in the coaches face?

What is fans yell at a player? Green light to go back at them however they feel at the time?

You have never been allowed to hit umpires. That's just a player acting on their emotions - so shall we bring it back?


What an utterly bizarre post.

 

[Bungeye]

Another bandaid solution that doesn't solve the root cause of the problem. It's very black and white thinking, but you wouldn't expect anything less from an organisation with borderline personality disorder.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Brad Scott is a twat.

Where is Gil in all this? Banking cheques til his retirement? Say what you want about Demetriou he would never allow this to fester under his watch without coming out strongly one way or the other.

AFL urged to invest in umpires as participation numbers dwindle at community level

A confidential AFL review obtained by ABC Sport finds Australian football's umpiring shortage is in danger of continuing because participation is "not keeping up with the growth of the game".

www.abc.net.au

So what is the real reason for the umpiring crisis? And what are the AFL actually tangibly doing about other than this BS lip service?

The AFL don't respect umpires, if they did they would have former umpires in positions such as these instead of a "jobs for the boys" appointments to Brad Scott and Brenton Sanderson.

One of the big contributing factors in recent years is the rapid expansion in AFLW which has pulled many of the young and talented 18-22yo from local umpiring associations. This is the current pathway to become and AFL umpire is via the VFLW. The main issue is unlike players who go and trial with VFL clubs or NAB league clubs with ambition to make it most will inevitably return to local footy once the dream is squashed. This doesnt happen with umpires, very few return to local footy once they leave to the VFL. I have spoken to many of the young kids who end up umpiring the girls games and they simply dont enjoy the subpar starndard of footy after umpiring at senior first division level and eventually give it away all together.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Many cultures communicate by waving their arms about, good or bad. Not sure how you can have a blanket rule and call it dissent.

This AFL policy is clearly racist to Italians.

 

[aCunningPlan]

One of the big contributing factors in recent years is the rapid expansion in AFLW which has pulled many of the young and talented 18-22yo from local umpiring associations. This is the current pathway to become and AFL umpire is via the VFLW. The main issue is unlike players who go and trial with VFL clubs or NAB league clubs with ambition to make it most will inevitably return to local footy once the dream is squashed. This doesnt happen with umpires, very few return to local footy once they leave to the VFL. I have spoken to many of the young kids who end up umpiring the girls games and they simply dont enjoy the subpar starndard of footy after umpiring at senior first division level and eventually give it away all together.

There is a fair bit of truth in this. Unless you are dead set keen on getting to the AFL one day, you are better off aspiring to umpire seniors in the top league/division of your umpiring association. You do get a lot better at your craft by going down the academy route and going through the NAB League/VFLW/VFL, but its a hell of a lot more work, for not a huge amount of improvement match wise and not a lot more pay in the scheme of things.
Although if you are staying within your local association expect to be asked to do at least three games each weekend, because we are bloody light on!

 

[kriles76]

This AFL policy is clearly racist to Italians.

And discriminatory against Auslan practitioners

 

[Bungeye]

Fantasia is going to have a hell of a time to repress his emotions, given he has already been indoctrinated at a young age to aggressively wave his arms like a conductor in an orchestra.
Its time his Italian nonna paid a visit to AFL headquarters me thinks...

 

[Demonic Ascent]

I don't think the AFL care about that.

If people stop going to games, stop watching it, and stop playing at grassroots levels then they'll care.

But the rusted on battlers that front up and cheer for the boys every week? They couldn't give the slightest fu** if they whinge or not.

Crowds are down already and not simply due to covid