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Draft picks, huge fines and coaches being sacked will be enough for me.

We still want the Bombers to field a team next year. So we can booo them heaps at games.

Hopefully we get two games next year vs. the Bombers!!
 
diggydig said:
Whoever wrote the Essendon press release is either deliberately dense or doesn't realise that the ASADA infraction notices to the players will follow soon enough.
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Actually, the conclusion I came to, and could see coming a mile off, is that the AFL have deliberately sidestepped the players issue, possibly in the hope that they'll not have to deal with it and in the meantime protect their brand from any self harm.

Whether WADA swoop in and smack them is another thing, but I think it's pretty clear the AFL don't really, and never really wanted to go there.
 

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Not sure if the AFL want to go there or not, but it looks clear that they aren't going to.
It actually sounds like ASADA aren't going there either.
 
So this is the beginning of the "slapping to death with 1000 wet lettuce leaves?"*



*"slapping to death..", more correctly described as 'tickled'
 
Flukey! said:
Not sure if the AFL want to go there or not, but it looks clear that they aren't going to.
It actually sounds like ASADA aren't going there either.
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No, it's only an interim report. It has been brought out quickly because people are asking why it has taken so long, and the fact that the season is coming to an end.

It has only looked at the adminstration of the club, and this is why only officials are charged.

The final report will be comprehensive - they haven't interviewed Danks yet.

No way are the players out of it.

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The cynic in me says this is all that will happen. Essendon are posturing with legal threats so that it seems they feel aggrieved by being charged at all and that the loss of premiership points will not be accepted in any circumstance.

This means that when the AFL hit them with the points loss they can be seen to be "coming down" on the bombers and not buckling to their pressure. Meanwhile the players get off scott free and it all becomes Melbourne Mk11. We are fining you and penalising you for not doing much wrong.

No way did the AFL want to go after the players, far too much risk in it for the AFL. The potential backlash and breach of contract with the Dic*takers crowning glory (Tv Rights) always meant the AFL was never going to go in hard against. I would say he has been in back-room talks with ASADA / WADA for the last few months to try and get them to forget about what the players have done also. Either there has been an agreement between the AFL and ASADA / WADA or the AFL are leaving the players alone in the HOPE that WADA do the same.

I am completely unsure as to how players can admit to taking substance A, WADA openly ban substance A and the AFL come out and say that on our evidence we think no specific players have committed any offence. Shocking but not surprising with the current head regime at the AFL.

Hopefully the silver lining will be that Andy D will fall on his sword as he expected Hird to do. After all, this and the Melbourne debacle all happened while he was at the head of the AFL ship and that is not a good look if you ask me.
 
marklar said:
Yep, tonight's news is the just first of many things the Bombers are going to get whacked with. The OH&S and ACC stuff is probably going to be the worst of it and I don't think those agencies are in any hurry to show their hand.
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As I see it Essendon* are in strife with no less than five authorities:

1. AFL
2. ASADA
3. WADA
4. ACC
5. OH&S

1. AFL
Essendon are reported to be ready to pull the trigger on an injunction to stop the AFL ruling on any penalties because it will deny them natural justice. I can only see this buying them some time and, possibly*, allowing them to play finals this year. Given that even Little has said the club has done wrong, I can't see any hope of them avoiding punishment of some form or other at the hands of the AFL even if that punishment is delayed by the injunction.

2/3. ASADA/WADA
Legal action against the AFL won't get Essendon any leniency from ASADA or WADA. These guys carry a big stick and if they deem the penalties to be too weak then Essendon is cooked regardless. What should be worrying to Essendon is that the ASADA/WADA pathway will take much longer than the AFL investigation to run its course and will leave Essendon open to more damage from loss of sponsors, members and damage to their "brand". It could take years to conclude and in the meantime Esssendon could have been stripped of points, coaches and administrators banned for significant periods of time and players disqualified for up to two years.

4. ACC
Essendon, its coaches and administrators could also be facing very serious criminal charges. The Ziggy report characterises the regime at Essendon as a pharmacological experiment. Players were administered drugs that were not approved for therapeutic use. The Therapeutic Goods Act has very strict laws on how clinical trials can be run ( http://www.tga.gov.au/industry/clinical-trials.htm ). Essendon did not get legal approval for the experimental program they were running ( http://www.tga.gov.au/pdf/clinical-trials-guidelines.pdf ).

5. OH&S
Essendon has admitted that it did not keep proper records of what drugs were administered to its players (employees) and in what quantities. They have put the health and welfare of their employees in jeopardy. It is likely that they have contravened the OH&S act and there is a distinct possibility that coaches and officials could face jail sentences.

This is not going to go away for years. And in the meantime, who in their right mind would sign up for an Essendon membership?
 
It's all a farce.

Jobe Watson admitted he took AOD-9604. The AFL wants us to believe that nobody took it.
Yet Watson has not been charged with telling lies and bringing the game into disrepute.

The AFL is tying itself in knots trying to look tough without actually being tough.

Another total and utter Farce. :thumbsdown:
 
Nuggets73 said:
"The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) has issued a statement clarifying the status of an anti-obesity drug not currently authorised that has hit the headlines in recent weeks due to its use by athletes – and the message is that the drug, AOD-9604, is definitely banned. Its statement follows news of positive tests by several cyclists in recent weeks for another drug obtained from the black market, GW501516, which is the subject of a WADA health warning"

Nuff said .. ;) .. WADA can override any local decision
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But isn't Essendons defence that AOD-9604 was not banned when they were experimenting with it? It was banned this year wasn't it?
 
Argy said:
As I see it Essendon* are in strife with no less than five authorities:

1. AFL
2. ASADA
3. WADA
4. ACC
5. OH&S

1. AFL
Essendon are reported to be ready to pull the trigger on an injunction to stop the AFL ruling on any penalties because it will deny them natural justice. I can only see this buying them some time and, possibly*, allowing them to play finals this year. Given that even Little has said the club has done wrong, I can't see any hope of them avoiding punishment of some form or other at the hands of the AFL even if that punishment is delayed by the injunction.

2/3. ASADA/WADA
Legal action against the AFL won't get Essendon any leniency from ASADA or WADA. These guys carry a big stick and if they deem the penalties to be too weak then Essendon is cooked regardless. What should be worrying to Essendon is that the ASADA/WADA pathway will take much longer than the AFL investigation to run its course and will leave Essendon open to more damage from loss of sponsors, members and damage to their "brand". It could take years to conclude and in the meantime Esssendon could have been stripped of points, coaches and administrators banned for significant periods of time and players disqualified for up to two years.

4. ACC
Essendon, its coaches and administrators could also be facing very serious criminal charges. The Ziggy report characterises the regime at Essendon as a pharmacological experiment. Players were administered drugs that were not approved for therapeutic use. The Therapeutic Goods Act has very strict laws on how clinical trials can be run ( http://www.tga.gov.au/industry/clinical-trials.htm ). Essendon did not get legal approval for the experimental program they were running ( http://www.tga.gov.au/pdf/clinical-trials-guidelines.pdf ).

5. OH&S
Essendon has admitted that it did not keep proper records of what drugs were administered to its players (employees) and in what quantities. They have put the health and welfare of their employees in jeopardy. It is likely that they have contravened the OH&S act and there is a distinct possibility that coaches and officials could face jail sentences.

This is not going to go away for years. And in the meantime, who in their right mind would sign up for an Essendon membership?
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The thing that is absolutely infuriating is that Essendon will use every single minute technicality to get off. And all the authorities will use the same technicalities to overlook things.

The only thing that matters is what ASADA does, and WADA to a degree if ASADA do not step up.

Either the EFC used banned substances or they didn't. Based on what we know they did. Either they know exactly who took them or they don't. Really does not matter, either ban players or whack the club.

Everything else is window dressing.

Given guys get two years for taking sudafed, Warnie got 18 months for taking a fat drug, I cannot see how the EFC possibly wriggle out of this. And it is either the players individually or the club as a whole.

AFL should just let ASADA complete their job. The current side show is completely irrelevant to this.
 
QuietB said:
... Warnie got 18 months for taking a fat drug....
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Warnie got 18 months for having in his blood a diuretic frequently used to mask steroid use. This was detected during non-routine testing which was triggered by an extraordinary recovery time (following shoulder surgery) in an older athlete. Warne was lucky to get off so easily.
 

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I can't see how the players are going to get off. Surely their players were subject to "random" drug tests during 2011/12. There is no way, with what the crime commission was doing, that they wouldn't have tested every Essendon player without the club having any knowledge there was a full blown investigation going on into their practices. This would be undisputable evidence of cheating and I'm sure this is in the interim report. The chances that not one Essendon player was tested during 2011/12 is absolutely impossible.

I think the only thing holding up the investigation from being completed is Dank’s evidence still not obtained + AFL doing backroom deals as to ensure the penalty doesn't unfairly impact on the whole competition.

RIP Scum
 
Davo23 said:
No, it's only an interim report. It has been brought out quickly because people are asking why it has taken so long, and the fact that the season is coming to an end.

It has only looked at the adminstration of the club, and this is why only officials are charged.

The final report will be comprehensive - they haven't interviewed Danks yet.

No way are the players out of it.
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Thank god, some common sense.

The AFL is not backing down, they are going early on the governance issues. The only reason the AFL is moving now is to seek to determine Essendon's eligibility to compete in finals for reasons of the 2013 season's integrity.

This is just the first step.

We have to read the parties' statements very carefully, which is obviously beyond most of the best known hack journos who are jumping to conclusions, dishing up inconsistent garbage and confusing everyone.

At this point, the AFL has said that "on the information before the AFL there is no specific Anti-Doping Rule violation attributed to any individual player". All this means is that the current version of the ASADA report does not conclude that any specific player has breached any specific Rule.

This could be for the mere fact that the ASADA investigation is ongoing. ASADA will fully complete its investigation before it puts forward any findings that certain players have breached an Anti-Doping Rule. ASADA may even have good evidence now, but needs to finish its process first to ensure that those facts are fully tested. I don't see how they can do this without examining Stephen Dank. We should not expect ASADA to accuse a player when there is a possibility that other facts will come to light during the remainder of the investigation that could exonerate them.
Further charges against players, staff and the club based on Anti-Doping Rule violations may follow once the investigation is complete.
 
Buddy Vision said:
I can't see how the players are going to get off. Surely their players were subject to "random" drug tests during 2011/12. There is no way, with what the crime commission was doing, that they wouldn't have tested every Essendon player without the club having any knowledge there was a full blown investigation going on into their practices. This would be undisputable evidence of cheating and I'm sure this is in the interim report. The chances that not one Essendon player was tested during 2011/12 is absolutely impossible.

I think the only thing holding up the investigation from being completed is Dank’s evidence still not obtained + AFL doing backroom deals as to ensure the penalty doesn't unfairly impact on the whole competition.

RIP Scum
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That's rather confusing, if the AFL is privy to undisputable evidence of cheating in an ASADA report, I would hope that they have sanctioned the players already, even if it is my own club.
 
what is with the fuss made over the phone call vlad made to essendon prior to the self-reporting? i refer to vlad reference to sports scientists over stepping the mark in 2012, together with the rumours over essendon swirling around at the time - the afl already knew a lot of what went on.
is there any link to this and adrian andersons departure from the afl? he seems to be piping up about this issue a bit in recent times.
 
Bombers appear to be trying to systematically mislead the public into believing that the players have somehow been cleared by the interim report. Hird is going to destroy that club if he keeps this up.

If he wants to defend the club and his reputation, all he needs to say is that he was trying to push the envelope using legal methods, but he made the mistake of trusting others to ensure that the line between legal and illegal was not crossed. If he then falls on his sword, taking responsibility for this failure of oversight, he looks like a bloke who made an error of judgement rather than a cheat.

The longer he keeps trying to use this "we did nothing wrong" defence, against all evidence, the more it looks like he is a cheat trying to muddy the waters.
 
Maybe I am a pessimist, but this is how I see things, in regards to players being suspended:

- Essendon do not want players to be suspended, and will fight to avoid that at all costs. They, and Hird in particular, would rather bring the whole competition down rather than admit any guilt.
- The AFL do not want to suspend any players, because of the damage to their reputation and the value of the TV rights.
- ASADA are really a smaller fish than the AFL in the fishbowl of Australia. I do not have confidence in them to be the tough guys.
- WADA probably see the AFL as a very very minor sport played in one country on the other side of the world, which is administered like an amateur sport. I doubt this will be a high priority for them.

So i do not expect to see any players suspended... except Ahmed Saad, who will be the scapegoat for the AFL to "prove" they are "tough on PED's".

I hope I am wrong, but I fear this is going to get worse, not better.
 
Buddy Vision said:
I can't see how the players are going to get off. Surely their players were subject to "random" drug tests during 2011/12. There is no way, with what the crime commission was doing, that they wouldn't have tested every Essendon player without the club having any knowledge there was a full blown investigation going on into their practices. This would be undisputable evidence of cheating and I'm sure this is in the interim report. The chances that not one Essendon player was tested during 2011/12 is absolutely impossible.

I think the only thing holding up the investigation from being completed is Dank’s evidence still not obtained + AFL doing backroom deals as to ensure the penalty doesn't unfairly impact on the whole competition.

RIP Scum
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It all comes down to what they are testing for.

It would help if the man supplying EFC's sports scientist has a knowledge and extensive history of helping athletes know what 'markers' are being tested for and what drugs are not detectable.

It's also the reason AOD is being argued, as Essendon claim that the substance is not on the banned list.... however, it certainly isn't on any approved list either.

Now who could Essendon find, that could give them this sort of information, and lead to believe that any substance they took would not be detected.

Oh, hey......wait a minute.
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http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-legacy-of-hird-is-safe-sheedy-20130814-2rw5v.html


Follow the 1984 qualifying final between the Bombers and Hawthorn, Sheedy asked what the Hawks players had been ''sniffing'' during breaks in the game, which prompted a police investigation.
While it turned out to be eucalyptus oil, Sheedy felt if the then VFL had been more proactive it could have prevented the Essendon sage from ever happening.
''I opened my mouth once, in 1984, and I asked, 'What was Hawthorn sniffing?'
''Maybe something should have been done a bit quicker, that was 20-odd years ago, maybe someone should have put procedures in place [back then], but no one did, back when it was the VFL.
''It took them another 20-odd years to start thinking about it.''
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Kevin Sheedy, the coach of one of the worst teams in VFL/AFL history, once again spruiking himself as footballs NO.1 trailblazer.

Probably the most farfetched, idiotic quote of 2013.
 
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...e-doping-charges/story-fni5f6kv-1226696644875

ASADA has told the Herald Sun the investigation continues; and the possibility of future charges remains.

“Given this investigation is ongoing, ASADA is not providing any further comment on its interim report. As we have previously noted, it is a complex investigation and ASADA has a duty of care to be both thorough and accurate in every step of the process,” an ASADA spokesman said.

“Should ASADA form the view at the conclusion of its investigation that a person may have committed an anti-doping rule violation ASADA will follow its established process”.

It is not up to the AFL to initiate doping charges against players.
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