Peptides! *The * Dopers: come smell the bull****! ESSENDON FANS NOT WANTED

[Flukey!]

Here is my take on where it is at.

The preliminary report from ASADA was submitted to the AFL.
Based on that report, the AFL have now charged the Essendon coaches/doc/theotherone
Also based on the preliminary report, there was no cause to charge individual players.

Why does everyone still think that the players will cop it in the neck? Surely the preliminary report would need to change significantly for that to happen?
In fact, I heard a media report today along the lines of "now that the players have been exonerated".......

My feeling is that this is near the end of it, assuming Essendon don't go all legal on the AFL.
What am I missing?

 

[Easy Slips Catch]

You gotta love Sheedy. He forewarned the AFL about drugs in sport and he was clearly very alarmed. Him being such a visionary, he then immediately put nothing in place at his own club.

I am really loving the way essendon people are handling this fiasco.

 

[Endorphin Machine]

Here is my take on where it is at.

The preliminary report from ASADA was submitted to the AFL.
Based on that report, the AFL have now charged the Essendon coaches/doc/theotherone
Also based on the preliminary report, there was no cause to charge individual players.

Why does everyone still think that the players will cop it in the neck? Surely the preliminary report would need to change significantly for that to happen?
In fact, I heard a media report today along the lines of "now that the players have been exonerated".......

My feeling is that this is near the end of it, assuming Essendon don't go all legal on the AFL.
What am I missing?

The Asada report is an interim report.
I suspect that it allows the AFL to make a quick judgement within this season. No doubt in the AFL's eyes it'd be a lot cleaner to have Essendon penalised for this year (season almost over) as opposed to penalising them for points in next season, which would affect the whole comp. What that means is the AFL's contract (re TV rights/number of games to be televised) is not broken. It also allows Essendon to still make money on this years H&A rounds, etc...

The big snag will be if it goes to court (which it prob will) . Dont know how the AFL will handle that one.
Also, players can still be suspended by the time this report is finalised . WADA can also makes any appeals on the final ASADA report should they see reason to. Dank should be forced to be interviewed , he seems to be the real fly in the ointment.

But, what the hell, in reality Essendon don't have a shot this year (excuse the pun),and should cut their losses.
I dont mind seeing them burdened by the legal system for however long....its their headache, of their own making. They can suck shit for all I care !!
Does anyone really think Hird and co didnt know what was going on?

 

[lethalselbow]

Early days yet in this saga. Drug cheats will be found. Sickening

"Bombers injected with mystery Mexican substance" - theage.com.au

 

[Whirling Dervish]

Maybe I am a pessimist, but this is how I see things, in regards to players being suspended:

- Essendon do not want players to be suspended, and will fight to avoid that at all costs. They, and Hird in particular, would rather bring the whole competition down rather than admit any guilt.
- The AFL do not want to suspend any players, because of the damage to their reputation and the value of the TV rights.
- ASADA are really a smaller fish than the AFL in the fishbowl of Australia. I do not have confidence in them to be the tough guys.
- WADA probably see the AFL as a very very minor sport played in one country on the other side of the world, which is administered like an amateur sport. I doubt this will be a high priority for them.

I'd also be happy if the players avoid suspension if they had no knowledge. This wasn't a case of athletes going nudge nudge wink wink, give me the "vitamins" and I'll deny all knowledge. I'm aware this isn't how the Code works, but I really feel for the players. They're just young blokes who trusted their club.

I think WADA will be taking a keen interest in the grey areas that have been highlighted and the precedent set for team sports the world over.

Here is my take on where it is at.

The preliminary report from ASADA was submitted to the AFL. Yes it was made available to the AFL, but ASADA wasn't writing the report for the AFL. They got a copy as an interested party.

Based on that report, the AFL have now charged the Essendon coaches/doc/theotherone The charges aren't based on the report but on the AFL investigation (carried out jointly with ASADA). They can't be based on the report because it contains information that was given to ASADA under certain conditions tied to ASADA's investigation of the players and can't be used for other reasons.

Also based on the preliminary report, there was no cause to charge individual players. The interim report doesn't contain specific assertions of drug violations at this time. The final report may. You could not expect the interim report to make highly controversial findings before the investigation is actually complete. I suspect the only reason we have an interim report is pressure from the AFL to get something out before finals.

Why does everyone still think that the players will cop it in the neck? Surely the preliminary report would need to change significantly for that to happen? No-one can be certain, but it remains open until ASADA's investigation is complete. It may simply be a case of joining the dots on exactly who took exactly what. Even Jobe's statement that he believed he took AOD-9604 still needs to be correlated with other facts. He could be mistaken. The effect of ASADA's role last year also still needs to be clarified.

In fact, I heard a media report today along the lines of "now that the players have been exonerated".......Could be based on a misunderstanding of what the ASADA report was supposed to contain (i.e. thinking no charges at this time means all clear), or the interim report could indicate that ASADA cannot establish exactly who took exactly what. The players are probably naive enough that it's the first one.

My feeling is that this is near the end of it, assuming Essendon don't go all legal on the AFL. Legal posturing and chest-puffing is more successful when the other party doesn't have the motivation or resources to call your bluff.

What am I missing?The devil is all in the detail

 

[Easy Slips Catch]

I'd also be happy if the players avoid suspension if they had no knowledge. This wasn't a case of athletes going nudge nudge wink wink, give me the "vitamins" and I'll deny all knowledge. I'm aware this isn't how the Code works, but I really feel for the players. They're just young blokes who trusted their club....

True enough. Should that be the precedence how would you ever control PED abuse?

Drugs in sport has been around a while. If you are that naive to take whatever is served up then you do not deserve the privilege of having mugs like me pay to watch a game of footy.

 

[Thaihawk]

How long will this soap opera continue before we get closure?
The big problem for the AFL is dollars, and the future of our great game.
If realistic sanctions were handed out, Essendon would probably have to fold. If this were to happen, the AFL could follow, and we would be back to a VFL situation.

If less than justified sanctions were handed down, the AFL would probably survive, but what kind of a message is that sending to other clubs.

My concern here is what if the club were us, or the Dogs, or even Saints or North, would we be in the same situation, or would premiership points already have been deducted, players suspended, and draft picks cancelled.

Are there two standards here?

Just my opinion!

 

[Flukey!]

Whirling Dervish, good post.
I guess my confusion comes from the findings of the interim report.
I understand it is only an interim report, but why would anything else be added that would change the outcome so dramatically, and result in players being sanctioned?

I have no understanding at all how ASADA operate, but from my experience writing reports related to risk and governance, any bad news is going to make it into the interim report.

That said, ASADA did release a statement yesterday saying that players could still be charged.

Unless there is still a significant component of the investigation to be completed, I think we have seen the worst of it.

 

[Dinner Plate]

Early days yet in this saga. Drug cheats will be found. Sickening

"Bombers injected with mystery Mexican substance" - theage.com.au

I insist on it.

 

[heh]

Dank is yet to be interviewed.
It could be interesting what he brings to the table.

One thing positive out of this, I think clubs will be extra careful and vigilant now.

 

[Ram-Man]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...sis-is-unresolved-kennett-20130815-2ryb8.html

Kick them out ??

 

[Whirling Dervish]

True enough. Should that be the precedence how would you ever control PED abuse?




Drugs in sport has been around a while. If you are that naive to take whatever is served up then you do not deserve the privilege of having mugs like me pay to watch a game of footy.

I agree it seems to be the only realistic way of controlling the problem. IF charges are laid against players, the club needs to be made an example of for putting its players in this position so it doesn't happen again. I think a 22 year old footballer should be able to trust his club on these things.

I understand it is only an interim report, but why would anything else be added that would change the outcome so dramatically, and result in players being sanctioned?

This is pure speculation, but I think that without the AFL's encouragement ASADA wouldn't have released any report at this time. They haven't interviewed Dank, and they apparently haven't re-interviewed Hird after they first spoke to him. They may need to re-interview other parties to attempt to confirm or contradict evidence that was obtained after that party was first interviewed. Until all this is done and the facts properly tested, you can't really draw any conclusions about specific players.

If I were ASADA I would definitely be keeping my powder dry on individual charges to avoid any suggestion that conclusions had been formed before all of the evidence had been properly tested a.k.a. failure to afford natural justice. You wait until you are ready, and ASADA is not yet ready.

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

The Asada report is an interim report.
I suspect that it allows the AFL to make a quick judgement within this season. No doubt in the AFL's eyes it'd be a lot cleaner to have Essendon penalised for this year (season almost over) as opposed to penalising them for points in next season, which would affect the whole comp. What that means is the AFL's contract (re TV rights/number of games to be televised) is not broken. It also allows Essendon to still make money on this years H&A rounds, etc...

The big snag will be if it goes to court (which it prob will) . Dont know how the AFL will handle that one.
Also, players can still be suspended by the time this report is finalised . WADA can also makes any appeals on the final ASADA report should they see reason to. Dank should be forced to be interviewed , he seems to be the real fly in the ointment.

But, what the hell, in reality Essendon don't have a shot this year (excuse the pun),and should cut their losses.
I dont mind seeing them burdened by the legal system for however long....its their headache, of their own making. They can suck shit for all I care !!
Does anyone really think Hird and co didnt know what was going on?

Nail. Hammer. Head.


The only reason that ASADA released an interim report was so the AFL could do exactly this. Obviously the AFL wants to get the punishment to the scum now. Imagine if it is resolved in the off-season and they played for no points in 2014. Firstly its now 2 years after they cheated, and secondly they would play a whole year for nothing. Attendance, membership and revenue would all suffer.

If they can ban them this year then they have played 90% of the year believing they were playing for something, so their membership/attendance and viewer numbers haven't suffered. Another team, let's say Carlton gets a shot at finals. Therefore the finals and effectively not impacted as all the carlton supporters will still be pumped despite really finishing 9th. It works perfectly for the AFL under this scenario.

The AFL demanded the INTERIM REPORT and wanted it close to the end of the season. If you can't see that it serves the AFL then you have your head in the sand.

None of the evidence regarding individual players was included in the interim report as it is currently incomplete (i.e. they need to interview Dank) and therefore would put in jeopardy the possibility of charging the players after the final report is released.

Have faith, ASADA or WADA will serve infraction notices to those scum that have been injected with banned substances when the report is finalised, and they will serve a ban.

 

[LuvMyHawks]

How selfish was the golden boy? The AFL offered the scum a deal, if Tird and the club accepted the responsibilty for what happened with the substances, Thompson,Reid & Corcoran would not be charged. Tird refused to accept that offer..Very,very selfish.In my opinion that is!

 

[randall boner]

How selfish was the golden boy? The AFL offered the scum a deal, if Tird and the club accepted the responsibilty for what happened with the substances, Thompson,Reid & Corcoran would not be charged. Tird refused to accept that offer..Very,very selfish.In my opinion that is!

But hird is there saviour or so the knob jockey thinks

 

[LuvMyHawks]

I gather you will all be going to the Tird march on Saturday?

 

[Pessimistic]

If theynplay finals it will be fitting for them to play on elextion night

Could be a bittersweet experience for such as costello again

 

[HawksILove]

BAD BOYS


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...fl-charge-sheets/story-fni5f6kv-1226698051540

 

[LuvMyHawks]

Did anyone hear Finey on SEN tonight, I listen to them most nights' They made up two songs about the scum, the one Finey sang was the tune of Hello Mother/ Hello Father,at Camp Granada.
I wish I had the song recorded, he started it with, Hello WADA,Hello ASADA,( darned if I can remember all the words, it was so funny. ) I guess nobody can remember all the words he used.He p..d somebody off after he sang it, he should have sung it again, just to give him the @#$%^ again..hehe

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

You'd have to pay me to listen to that clown for longer than it takes me to flick off the switch.

On another note, the continuous leaking of details is really taking this saga up a notch.

Hird and his spin doctors want to claim that he's an innocent party, meanwhile a continuous stream of sordid tales leak to media to dirty him even more.

You can bet its going to continue, so that the public perception when he gets shunted is that it was fully deserved.

 

[The BIG X]

Hey Echols
Don't you ever go to bed

 

[Agent Smith]

The bombers are now losing games coz they have nothing left in the dank.

 

[Boot Studder]

The bombers are now losing games coz they have nothing left in the dank.

A nice bit of needle there, Agent Smith.

 

[Flukey!]

A nice bit of needle there, Agent Smith.

He injected some humour which is what the cheats should have stuck to.

 

[Davo23]

The bombers are now losing games coz they have nothing left in the dank.

That's a jab in the guts.

I'm shot now ...