Peptides! *The * Dopers: come smell the bull****! ESSENDON FANS NOT WANTED

[HawksILove]

Essendon are innocent until proven guilty

 

[Brishawk]

View attachment 26925 Essendon are innocent until proven guilty

According to the ASADA interim report they have been proven guilty

 

[Easy Slips Catch]

...I think a 22 year old footballer should be able to trust his club on these things..

Why? Name any other endeavour where you blindly trust your employer. If your employer put you on injections would you just shrug and roll your sleeve up?

 

[Whirling Dervish]

Why? Name any other endeavour where you blindly trust your employer. If your employer put you on injections would you just shrug and roll your sleeve up?

Why? Because they're paid to play football, not to audit the sports science program. I think you'll find there's little difference between the care taken by your average Hawk player and your average Bomber player with respect to supplements and that the only difference is that Hawthorn didn't **** their players over. A level of trust has to come into it at some point, even if it's as basic as trusting that the pharmaceutical company labelled their drugs correctly.

I take a lot of things at face value from my employer and fellow employees. The business couldn't function if I started sticking my face in everyone else's work and making double sure they got it right.

 

[Davo23]

Why? Because they're paid to play football, not to audit the sports science program. I think you'll find there's little difference between the care taken by your average Hawk player and your average Bomber player with respect to supplements and that the only difference is that Hawthorn didn't **** their players over. A level of trust has to come into it at some point, even if it's as basic as trusting that the pharmaceutical company labelled their drugs correctly.

I take a lot of things at face value from my employer and fellow employees. The business couldn't function if I started sticking my face in everyone else's work and making double sure they got it right.

They didn't all accept.
One is known to have opted out: Zaharakis, and there may have been others.

And I don't believe the bullsh*t that Zaharakis was afraid of injections - he opted out because he knew what was going on.

 

[Brishawk]

Why? Because they're paid to play football, not to audit the sports science program. I think you'll find there's little difference between the care taken by your average Hawk player and your average Bomber player with respect to supplements and that the only difference is that Hawthorn didn't **** their players over. A level of trust has to come into it at some point, even if it's as basic as trusting that the pharmaceutical company labelled their drugs correctly.

I take a lot of things at face value from my employer and fellow employees. The business couldn't function if I started sticking my face in everyone else's work and making double sure they got it right.

If you were earning 2,3 or even 10 times what you could earn outside your current job, wouldn't you take steps to ensure you were doing that job properly and ensure that a key risk was being managed diligently? I sure as shit would not accept unknown injections from (new) mexico while sitting in a hyperbaric chamber all outside the instructions of the club doctor. That not one player questioned the injections and took even a single step to verify that what they were being given was legal tells us everything we need to know. If the players are truly that naive they deserve what has happened.

 

[Brishawk]

They didn't all accept.
One is known to have opted out: Zaharakis, and there may have been others.

And I don't believe the bullsh*t that Zaharakis was afraid of injections - he opted out because he knew what was going on.

If he opted out based on the reasons you suggest then he was still an party to a doping scheme as were the coaching and medical staff at Essendon.

 

[HawksILove]

According to the ASADA interim report they have been proven guilty

I know, I hope they throw the book at them, what they did to the Football Industry

 

[Whirling Dervish]

If you were earning 2,3 or even 10 times what you could earn outside your current job, wouldn't you take steps to ensure you were doing that job properly and ensure that a key risk was being managed diligently? I sure as shit would not accept unknown injections from (new) mexico while sitting in a hyperbaric chamber all outside the instructions of the club doctor. That not one player questioned the injections and took even a single step to verify that what they were being given was legal tells us everything we need to know. If the players are truly that naive they deserve what has happened.

I'll agree with you if it turns out that any of that is true, but I think you're drawing conclusions that we can't possibly draw yet. I think it's more likely that the players were assured that the program was pushing the boundaries but was WADA-compliant (and the people telling them that may even have believed it) and they left it at that. And I think the players' ages are more relevant to the question of what we can expect from them by way of diligence than their pay cheque. I'm sure half the players couldn't tell you what they earn because they leave that to their manager.

I think its unfortunate they might pay for this naivety; they may be guilty but I can still feel for them.

Don't get me wrong, if the facts come out and the worst case does eventuate, I'll be as disgusted disgusted as anyone.

And I don't believe the bullsh*t that Zaharakis was afraid of injections - he opted out because he knew what was going on.

I'd find it much harder to believe that if he did have suspicions he didn't share them with his mates.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Hey Echols
Don't you ever go to bed

Who has time to sleep?

Anyway, I loved the fact that Essendon come out and argued "the supplements were from New Mexico, not Mexico....ner nerny ner ner!"

But then came out the next day and had to retract that statement.

You know you're in the shit when you'll argue the semantics, which are peripheral to the main point, just to try and score a mental victory.

Worth noting also that Essendon didn't address the fact that they didn't know what their players were injected with.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

It's also incredibly funny, but sad as well, that so many Bomber fans are getting their jollies from the Mexico link, and have updated their avatars and whatever else to relate to a unknown substance injected into the players that could ultimately turn out to have huge ramifications for players health in years to come.

I'm sure the players families who are wanting to know what they had injected into them, while trying to keep the faith with the club, aren't exactly overcome with humour by the entire 'mexico' theme that the clubs supporters are enjoying.

 

[The BIG X]

It's also incredibly funny, but sad as well, that so many Bomber fans are getting their jollies from the Mexico link, and have updated their avatars and whatever else to relate to a unknown substance injected into the players that could ultimately turn out to have huge ramifications for players health in years to come.

I'm sure the players families who are wanting to know what they had injected into them, while trying to keep the faith with the club, aren't exactly overcome with humour by the entire 'mexico' theme that the clubs supporters are enjoying.

This could be the item that will devide the scum

 

[Boston tiger]

Why? Name any other endeavour where you blindly trust your employer. If your employer put you on injections would you just shrug and roll your sleeve up?

Armed Forces. Although probably not so much nowadays.

 

[eldorado]

Armed Forces. Although probably not so much nowadays.

It's a fair analogy, so I do have some sympathy for the players. It's nothing like the normal workplace that most of us are in. The likelihood of physical fear, pain, intimidation , the' team is everything, I am nothing', way of thinking..not as much as the military, of course, but heading towards it.

So I have a fair bit of sympathy for the players, just young blokes on the front line, they follow orders..

None of this will matter to ASADA though, so I can't see a happy ending for the players (if they can sticky tape enough of the shredded evidence to work out who took what)

I have none for the Generals. War crimes for the lot of them. Smackdown!

Hopefully, a massive class action from the players against the club will be the end result.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Essendon is about to implode massively. The onfield performance was holding them together, now the team is delivering disappointment and people are looking for answers and seeing a big fat drug scandal.

It's nice that we were the team to break them on field. They haven't been the same since we burst their bubble.

But the kingdom is falling - players, parents and fans are getting very agitated and anxious and the club they've believed in for so long is now looking like the enemy.

Goodbye Essendon, see you in 5-7 years when the rebuild is complete.

 

[Argy]

They didn't all accept.
One is known to have opted out: Zaharakis, and there may have been others.

And I don't believe the bullsh*t that Zaharakis was afraid of injections - he opted out because he knew what was going on.

I believe Dustin Fletcher and about four or five others opted out.

 

[The BIG X]

Hawks broke the scums back
Woods pulled out their heart
Toasters had no competition
Norf had no opposition

 

[Argy]

Why? Because they're paid to play football, not to audit the sports science program. I think you'll find there's little difference between the care taken by your average Hawk player and your average Bomber player with respect to supplements and that the only difference is that Hawthorn didn't **** their players over. A level of trust has to come into it at some point, even if it's as basic as trusting that the pharmaceutical company labelled their drugs correctly.

I take a lot of things at face value from my employer and fellow employees. The business couldn't function if I started sticking my face in everyone else's work and making double sure they got it right.

They are professional athletes. They are contractually required to comply with WADA rules. It's their job.

 

[Messenger]

Why? Because they're paid to play football, not to audit the sports science program. I think you'll find there's little difference between the care taken by your average Hawk player and your average Bomber player with respect to supplements and that the only difference is that Hawthorn didn't **** their players over. A level of trust has to come into it at some point, even if it's as basic as trusting that the pharmaceutical company labelled their drugs correctly.

I take a lot of things at face value from my employer and fellow employees. The business couldn't function if I started sticking my face in everyone else's work and making double sure they got it right.

Forget the employer/employee relationship that we all know; this is a practitioner/patient relationship. And that relationship is prefaced on informed consent. If EFC cannot tell those players what was injected by a person in their employ, that is a massive issue. It's medical negligence.

In addition, the players cannot simply throw their hands up and say "no one told me". The athlete at the AIS doesn't get to say it. Neither does Ahmed Saad.

 

[Argy]

I like Kennet's idea of suspending Essendon if it looks like the legal battles will affect the 2014 season. The AFL has the power to do so and on the basis that the uncertainty would make planning impossible for the AFL, the clubs, sponsors, broadcasters, etc., etc., etc., I think they would be entirely justified.

 

[Easy Slips Catch]

Armed Forces. Although probably not so much nowadays.

Fair point. So perhaps Hirdy had an epiphany whilst watching Universal Soldier.

 

[Buckemenico]

Looks like essendon will be off to the Supreme Court this week to prevent the 26 August hearing from going ahead. Their case will not be as easy as is being written about. But Hird is desperate and will bowl it up. No sure why, given they will have to face the commission eventually, just a matter of when.

If they get their injunction, loss of points could spill over into 2014. This is not wht the AFL wants, so Hird is taking an unbelievable risk here. AFL wanted to take their points for this year only, so no loss of income for them.

Little says they want it over quickly. Hard to reconcile that with them applying for an injunction this week, which is an inexplicably bad strategy. Especially given how hopeless essendon are now going on the field. They should simply take the hit and try and move on.

 

[QuietB]

Looks like essendon will be off to the Supreme Court this week to prevent the 26 August hearing from going ahead. Their case will not be as easy as is being written about. But Hird is desperate and will bowl it up. No sure why, given they will have to face the commission eventually, just a matter of when.

If they get their injunction, loss of points could spill over into 2014. This is not wht the AFL wants, so Hird is taking an unbelievable risk here. AFL wanted to take their points for this year only, so no loss of income for them.

Little says they want it over quickly. Hard to reconcile that with them applying for an injunction this week, which is an inexplicably bad strategy. Especially given how hopeless essendon are now going on the field. They should simply take the hit and try and move on.

Its all or nothing. There is no point in Hird rolling over, if he loses he is cooked forever. His only way out is to be found 100% not guilty, so therefore he cannot roll over on anything.

They really need to get rid off the hero worshipping at that club. It is doing way more damage than good. It held them together for a long time, but in the end it will only make the fall bigger.

 

[Davo23]

Its all or nothing. There is no point in Hird rolling over, if he loses he is cooked forever. His only way out is to be found 100% not guilty, so therefore he cannot roll over on anything.

They really need to get rid off the hero worshipping at that club. It is doing way more damage than good. It held them together for a long time, but in the end it will only make the fall bigger.

That's the problem with having a club legend as coach.
It's damn hard to sack them when things go pear-shaped.

As opposed to Clarko, who would have been sacked by BigFooty members back in November 2012.

Even if he was not at fault!


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[Glenferrie Oval]

Time for the other clubs to start putting pressure on Vlad etc, to get this done.
Who has the standing in the game and with Hird to sit down and talk to him and get him to look at the big picture?
Sheedy maybe? Someone needs to have a talk with James and get him to see the big picture.
Clean this up now and Essendon will have a bad 3 to 5 year period, and be tainted for a long time.
Go to court and drag it all out and they could be thrown out for a year, maybe two, and players could sue the club and more dirt and mud thrown.
Hird is believing all of the lawyers and PR people that he has hired. They won't be around when this goes pear shaped.

Someone with high standing needs a good long talk with James and they need to take a mirror with them so that James can have a good look at himself.