The exact player we needed: Robinson

[Memories]

Can we break Mitch's leg, rupture his ankle ligaments and hyper extend his elbow so he can miss a seasons worth of games?
Who's being serious now?

Ah yes the old what could have been excuse. "If it wasn't for that injury he got he would have turned into the next <insert past great player>". It's amazing how many Freo players are like that isn't it? Certainly higher than the average.....

It's amazing how many people think every single injury is some "act of god" that can't be stopped.

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

Now that TNS is here, this is like a BF Freo Allstars thread.

Where is Moo?

 

[Memories]

Sorry Memories, I just don't see a player who led the clanger count in the game yesterday as being the exact thing we need. It's exactly counter to what we need. Sure he tries, but so what? We need players who are clever with the ball and also try. The exact player we need plays for us: Michael Barlow. More of him, please.

Oh no, 1 more clanger than our worst in Broughton/Balla.

Robinsons average clangers are 0.1 higher than Fyfes clangers. We should get rid of him too I guess as there's no way that will ever improve....

 

[Lach72]

Ah yes the old what could have been excuse. "If it wasn't for that injury he got he would have turned into the next <insert past great player>". It's amazing how many Freo players are like that isn't it? Certainly higher than the average.....

It's amazing how many people think every single injury is some "act of god" that can't be stopped.

Ha ha you're sensational. You can string a few sentences together. The fact they don't make any possible sense is unfortunate for you.

Ok: here we go.

Please detail the circumstances of Suban's injuries and please list Mem's magical prevention.

Tip one: make it believable. Something like titanium re-enforcement rods to prevent leg breakage under extreme force would suffice.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Fyfe averages 3 more possies a game yet has .1 higher clangers? I'd take that every day of the week.

 

[The Night Shift]

Idiot chimp, I like that Lach.

Mem's, you and I should make up a posting tag team, kind of like in wrestling.

You can be like Mankind (idiot chimp style), and I will be like The Rock. We could both be bad arse heal's that noone yet everyone would be in awe of.

Or maybe you can be my posting manager? You can be like that fat old guy who used to manage The Undertaker?

What you reckon?

Mem's body fat % seems up to scratch.... Think Clay has too much makeup on though..

 

[Memories]

Ha ha you're sensational. You can string a few sentences together. The fact they don't make any possible sense is unfortunate for you.

Ok: here we go.

Please detail the circumstances of Suban's injuries and please list Mem's magical prevention.

Tip one: make it believable. Something like titanium re-enforcement rods to prevent leg breakage under extreme force would suffice.

Thanks in advance.

Quite simple, positioning. Ask yourself why many of the better players running around are rarely injured in such ways?

 

[Memories]

Fyfe averages 3 more possies a game yet has .1 higher clangers? I'd take that every day of the week.

So would I, but I'm not saying Robinson is better than Fyfe am I. Merely showing you that we have some clanger kings on our team at the moment and we think they will improve it. It's the same with Robinson.

 

[AzzaBuck]

Oh dear, the Op has no idea. The exact type of player we need is not the second coming of shaun mcmanus/byron schammer which is what mitch robinson is. Yes he tries and that looks good in a side which is up and about like carlton is. Carltons star midfield covers his mistakes. In a struggling team like ours Robinsons disposal would have supporters tearing their hair out.

What we need is more class through the midfield. Which will be rectified when mundy, marabito and a fully fit barlow are back and firing. Add fyfe and hill to that mix, you cant tag them all. looking pretty good to me. Plus we already have a better version of mitch robinson, his name is matt deboer. Throwing Pavlich forward next year when we have this midfiled up and running will solve some forward problems but we do need more targets there.

One thing we definitely need more than any other position at the moment is a backmen that can play on the specialist forward poickets, they are chopping us up every week. I think its beyond hayden atm, and i cant see anyone else on our list who can stop or slow down the small forwards. We need to either trade for one or draft one next year.

 

[dhdc freo]

This post just shows how these boards work,90%of it is absolute dribble!,this post dose not even fit into that!!!

 

[Nickos66]

Idiot chimp, I like that Lach.

Mem's, you and I should make up a posting tag team, kind of like in wrestling.

You can be like Mankind (idiot chimp style), and I will be like The Rock. We could both be bad arse heal's that noone yet everyone would be in awe of.

Or maybe you can be my posting manager? You can be like that fat old guy who used to manage The Undertaker?

What you reckon?

lol. Paul (pall) Bearer.

It wouldn't fly.. the skin folds would be through the roof.

 

[estibador]

Quite simple, positioning. Ask yourself why many of the better players running around are rarely injured in such ways?

Like Jonno Brown? Or James Hird? Or Michael Voss? Or our own Barlow?

 

[DockerDude76]

So would I, but I'm not saying Robinson is better than Fyfe am I. Merely showing you that we have some clanger kings on our team at the moment and we think they will improve it. It's the same with Robinson.

Wha?? Nice back pedaling matey

You start this post by saying what a mistake selecting our future captain (yes yes freo's future captain) over robbo and now its about improving from injury??

Also don't even bother comparing Rich and Hill dude...wayyyy different players.

They are only compared by the media coz they were high pick draft mates.

Rich has done nothing for the Lions this year ( and has already reached his potential) and Hill is struggling with not having a proper pre-season.

In fact if you want to compare..try Rich vs. Palmer

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

Like a growth stunted giraffe, this baby was never meant to fly.

 

[valkorum]

People can "laugh" about Robinsons disposal, goal kicking, etc, but he is a starting midfielder in a top 4 side, going against the likes of ball hogs like Judd, Murphy and Gibbs. And against us he got 29 disposals whilst Suban racked up a nice 8, whilst playing as a defender and where the ball was for the majority of the game.

That's cos no-one gives a shit about Robinson because Judd, Murphy, Simpson and brilliant and we need to focus there. Why focus on a kid who gets 30 touches and sprays half of them when Judd and Murphy, who also get 30 touches but they hit targets with about 25 of them.

 

[Shaymuhz]

robinson in our team would be just another turnover merchant who gave away too many stupid free kicks. ie a slightly bigger version of schammer

 

[strobe00]

Quite simple, positioning. Ask yourself why many of the better players running around are rarely injured in such ways?

Michael Barlow says hi.

 

[James]

Back at the end of 2008 everyone thought we were flying high, we had Palmer the rising star, and we went into the trade period thinking we finally had the right people in there making the decisions.

However fast forward a few years and we can see that many of their choices have failed in the short term. Our midfield is in a shambles, and would be more so if the Barlow miracle never eventuated. The decision to pick Hill over Rich hasn't paid off, with Rich having the better 3 seasons so far including winning the rising star.

The poorest decision in my mind though is picking Suban over Mitch Robinson. Suban was touted as a small defender/midfielder yet hasn't come on at all since his first season, pretty much like Hill.

People can "laugh" about Robinsons disposal, goal kicking, etc, but he is a starting midfielder in a top 4 side, going against the likes of ball hogs like Judd, Murphy and Gibbs. And against us he got 29 disposals whilst Suban racked up a nice 8, whilst playing as a defender and where the ball was for the majority of the game.

Not only did he get a lot more disposals than Suban he is the EXACT type of midfielder we need right now. Someone who goes to the ball hard and tries to win it regardless of how the team is going. With Suban he follows the teams pulse, if the team is down, he is down.

Unlike Hill and Suban, Robinson has shown clear improvement every season, you know he's going to get better. Meanwhile people will give every excuse in the book as to why Hill and Suban aren't performing. To my eye you just have to look at them, they don't really care, and they don't train hard enough.

The funniest thing to me though is people like Bradybunch and ClayGravy who from 2008 on have laughed that if I was in control and we chose Robinson just how much worse off we would be. Yeah, it just proves who knows footballers and who does not I think.

Straight swap, Robinson for Nat Fyfe! WIN WIN!

J/K Robbo has improved heaps, but I still rate Hill higher. For a second year? player, Hill gets tagged a lot. And Fyfe will be a superstar of the comp.

Mundy, Barlow, Fyfe, Hill, Moribito are the foundation of a dominant midfield going forward. (Not sure about Suban & Palmer though) You just need to get them all on the park at the same time and Freo will no doubt be a top 4 team next year.

 

[PapaJ]

Back at the end of 2008 everyone thought we were flying high, we had Palmer the rising star, and we went into the trade period thinking we finally had the right people in there making the decisions.

Yep, that sounds about right.

However fast forward a few years and we can see that many of their choices have failed in the short term. Our midfield is in a shambles, and would be more so if the Barlow miracle never eventuated. The decision to pick Hill over Rich hasn't paid off, with Rich having the better 3 seasons so far including winning the rising star.

Not sure about that, but you may be on to something, post looking interesting. Def agree with the bold part.

The poorest decision in my mind though is picking Suban over Mitch Robinson. Suban was touted as a small defender/midfielder yet hasn't come on at all since his first season, pretty much like Hill.

Bwaaaahahahaha, lets look at the poster .... ahhh Memories, one never knows if you're serious or not with your logic.

People can "laugh" about Robinsons disposal, goal kicking, etc,but he is a starting midfielder in a top 4 side, going against the likes of ball hogs like Judd, Murphy and Gibbs. And against us he got 29 disposals whilst Suban racked up a nice 8, whilst playing as a defender and where the ball was for the majority of the game.

He's not going against Judd, Murphy, Gibbs etc. he's beeing protected by them. They make up for his mistakes, they get the ball to him, they take all the opposition's best midfielders etc etc. Put Robinson in an ordinary team and then you would get an idea of where he's at.

Unlike Hill and Suban, Robinson has shown clear improvement every season, you know he's going to get better. Meanwhile people will give every excuse in the book as to why Hill and Suban aren't performing. To my eye you just have to look at them, they don't really care, and they don't train hard enough.

You know that for a fact do you? Suban is one of the most passionate players ever to don the purple, I've rarely seen a player who 'cares' more. He's coming from a long way back due to setbacks, but to say he doesn't care - well who knows really, but I think you'd be just about on your own thinking he's a player who has an attitude problem.

I'll give you this, Robinson is an under-rated player, he's a tenacious bugger and a good player to have to complement the silky skilled players like Murphy, Gibbs, Yarran, and the all round game of Judd, but nobody in their right mind would take him over Hill or Suban.

 

[James]

I'll give you this, Robinson is an under-rated player, he's a tenacious bugger and a good player to have to complement the silky skilled players like Murphy, Gibbs, Yarran, and the all round game of Judd, but nobody in their right mind would take him over Hill or Suban.

Robinson is a better player than Suban at this point in their careers. Any sane person would acknowledge that.

Hill is more talented/dangerous than Robinson though, but Robinson more than makes up for that with hardness, which Hill currently lacks.

 

[Dr Ralph Dagg]

It amazing that we can fill 3 pages with this drivel.

Mems, et al. We drafted Suban, they drafted Robinson. That's it. Get over it.

But I can see where you're coming from. Ibbo, Duffield, Lower, Johnson and Suban had 9 contested possessions between them on Saturday.

If there is a softer footballer in the game than Ibbotson I'll eat my (voluminous) shorts. How can Mzungu have 11 tackles and Ibbotson 1?

 

[Alfonz]

The obsession with Robinson from Memories will never go away. But the likes of Redden and Shiels look far better than both Suban and Robinson. Often you just don't get your pick correct, but to say we should have picked Robinson is not quite right. There are quite a few other players who would have suited us better than Robinson.

Why isn't the argument Robinson over Clarke? Because we also picked him ahead if Robinson, and the two were much closer in draft position.

 

[Moo]

I'm not as in love with Suban as some on this board, nice raking left and good courage - however seems a little on the slow slide to me at the moment.

This may improve with a better run with injuries or it can be less apparent with better positioning. By all accounts Suban has a good head on his shoulders too.

However I don't see how Robinson is the answer, other than to the question 'Who in Carlton is on Ritalin?'

Sure he has been a bit better than Suban but the class he has around him helps massively. He is by all reports a meataxe too.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Robinson is a better player than Suban at this point in their careers. Any sane person would acknowledge that.

Hill is more talented/dangerous than Robinson though, but Robinson more than makes up for that with hardness, which Hill currently lacks.

Robinson is a year older than Suban.

Also the comment on Hill's hardness is buffoonery. Look at the Fyfe GOTY contender to see Hill takes TWO bumps from WCE players to make sure Fyfe gets away.

 

[Chops_a_must]

However I don't see how Robinson is the answer, other than to the question 'Who in Carlton is on Ritalin?'

This is why Mems likes him. Easy to get your BF% down when you're taking these drugs.

It could also be the injection of speed we need.

I do like the word, "meataxe" as well.