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The Father-Son rule is an unfair, elitist, anachronistic rule.
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It would be elitist and unfair if the clubs got into a breeding programme. Giving them an occasional skills session at an early age is just a speculative investment /PR exercise that all clubs could engage in if they chose.
Its more nature than nurture. If they aint any good, no amount of training will change that.
Off topic but giving the good players to the worst clubs is completely in line with the AFL's equalisation policies. I have never seen a PP go to the reigning premier.
It's a quality rule
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but not all players, hence the reference to the threads title
Not all eight year olds will get to meet the players and get free tickets to the football, that is true. Doubt that will ruin many careers.
With out it, Geelong would never had won a flag. Take out N Ablett, G Ablett, Scarlett, Blake, Hawkins, and Wojcinski., the Cats would have just been a top 4 team just like the Dogs.
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3 of those didn't play in the 2011 GF against a rampant Collingwood. Wojak is not a father son selection.
Yeah but he could have been if his dad played 100 games for Geelong! He only missed by.....let me check......100.
3 of those didn't play in the 2011 GF against a rampant Collingwood. Wojak is not a father son selection.
Take out Scarlett (one of the best Key backs of all time, please argue that he is crap) and Hawkins who destroyed Collingwood, do you think you would have won?
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The draft still does more to equalise than the f/s rule does to create an imbalance.
Besides, this is working on the assumption that success must be made as contrived and cyclical as possible.
The NRL scrapped their draft, and retained a salary cap.
They have had 10 different premiers in the 20 seasons since they scrapped their draft. They also have the ability to draw from lower levels at will.
The AFL have a draft and cap and have had 11 different premiers in the same period. It's hardly compelling.
However, it must be noted that the NRL are toying with the idea of reintroducing a draft to balance out pay scales, but are scared of another restraint of trade case like the one they lost back in 1991.
The NFL have had 12 different Superbowl winners in 20 years with a draft but they have free agency and the ability to add to their rosters during the year.
It is all much of a muchance for me, draft, no draft, all have little added extras to supplement their season.
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What players do we get to put in to replace them? If there was no father son rule, we may have had a better player due to getting better draft picks due to the father sons propping us up.
Let's say Pavlich for Hawkins. Still would have won I think.
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4 out of the last 5 flags were helped considerably by the F/S rule. Although they were ll picked up before the rule change.
Still, its just a matter of time until a Patton or O'Meara goes to top team with a pick in the mid-high teens. There will be an uproar and rightly so.
What if teams were really made to pay a fair price ?
How about when a team takes a F/S, they drop down the draft by the same number of picks in the same round next year.
So if a player is bid pick 5 and the FS club takes him with pick 13. The next year they drop down 8 places in rd 1.
Then we'll see how much teams really care about former players kids.
Still, its just a matter of time until a Patton or O'Meara goes to top team with a pick in the mid-high teens. There will be an uproar and rightly so.
What if teams were really made to pay a fair price ?
How about when a team takes a F/S, they drop down the draft by the same number of picks in the same round next year.
So if a player is bid pick 5 and the FS club takes him with pick 13. The next year they drop down 8 places in rd 1.
Then we'll see how much teams really care about former players kids.
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I doubt that either
and those 18 year olds with blood ties, specialist coaching and the recruiters ear presumably won't have their career ruined either.
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pointless, I'm well past recruiting age
I doubt that either
and those 18 year olds with blood ties, specialist coaching and the recruiters ear presumably won't have their career ruined either.
Every kid in the country with or without blood ties can get specialist coaching and the recruiters ear by playing quality junior football and progressing to through to comps like the TAC Cup.
No amount of coaching will turn a father son into a footballer if he hasnt got the talent to start with. These Academies are nothing more than a PR exercise to make these kids feel part of the club should they ever end up being good enough. Its not as if you are going to teach 9 year olds the game plan...
The Father-Son rule has become fairer ever since the bidding process came in. The Father-Son rule was first introduced in 1950 and it has been modified 12 times since then. The bidding system allows other clubs to bid on players nominated under the father-son rule by a club. If a Club A nominates a player, Club B can bid for him with one of their draft picks. Club A has to use their next available draft pick to draft their nominated player or Club B will draft him with their draft pick.
The Father-Son rule also works for the South Australian and Western Australian clubs, with each of the four clubs from those states nominated certain state league sides to draft sons of fathers that have played a certain number of games (WAFL it is 150 games and SANFL it is 200 games). I haven't heard if this rule has been modified with the Suns and Giants coming in.
The Father-Son rule before the bidding process allowed Geelong to draft some talented sons of former players which helped win the Cats three of the last five premierships. It is one of the reasons the bidding process came in. Recruiting rules that have been introduced have won clubs premierships before. The ten year rule which allowed players that had been at a club for ten years to move to another club probably won North Melbourne the 1975 and 1977 premierships. This rule was changed soon after North recruited Barry Davis from Essendon, John Rantall from South Melbourne and Doug Wade from Geelong.
Timmy from Thomastown are you saying that Hawthorn won the 2008 premiership because of the priority pick rule. So we got Roughy and Buddy in the same draft with Roughy as a priority pick. But Richmond and the Bulldogs also had priority picks in those drafts as well, without either producing a flag. The year after Hawthorn recruited Roughy and Buddy in the same draft, Collingwood received a priority pick as well and drafted Dale Thomas and Scott Pendlebury in the same draft. It's not who you draft, it is what you do with them that wins a premiership. Your club, my club and Geelong have recruited well recently and have silverware to show for it.
The Father-Son rule also works for the South Australian and Western Australian clubs, with each of the four clubs from those states nominated certain state league sides to draft sons of fathers that have played a certain number of games (WAFL it is 150 games and SANFL it is 200 games). I haven't heard if this rule has been modified with the Suns and Giants coming in.
The Father-Son rule before the bidding process allowed Geelong to draft some talented sons of former players which helped win the Cats three of the last five premierships. It is one of the reasons the bidding process came in. Recruiting rules that have been introduced have won clubs premierships before. The ten year rule which allowed players that had been at a club for ten years to move to another club probably won North Melbourne the 1975 and 1977 premierships. This rule was changed soon after North recruited Barry Davis from Essendon, John Rantall from South Melbourne and Doug Wade from Geelong.
Timmy from Thomastown are you saying that Hawthorn won the 2008 premiership because of the priority pick rule. So we got Roughy and Buddy in the same draft with Roughy as a priority pick. But Richmond and the Bulldogs also had priority picks in those drafts as well, without either producing a flag. The year after Hawthorn recruited Roughy and Buddy in the same draft, Collingwood received a priority pick as well and drafted Dale Thomas and Scott Pendlebury in the same draft. It's not who you draft, it is what you do with them that wins a premiership. Your club, my club and Geelong have recruited well recently and have silverware to show for it.
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The other was helped by the priority pick rule
so was the other one
The other was helped by the priority pick rule
Thomas and Pendleberry say hi.
A dual runner up also missed out despite their pp advantage
Leigh Brown says thanks
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2 pp's = 2 pp's, couldn't match the f/s's
You have never been able to draft Hawkins with pick 7 and even if you did you won't have Selwood. Scarlett was drafted at pick 45, Hawkins at 41 pick and G Ablett at 40. Three first rounds used with three third round picks, what a bargin.
The son-father made the difference in winning flags than losing them.
By the way, West Coast without Cousins wouldnt have won either, Collingwood with Cloke and Shaw, and Brisbane with Brown.
The father - son is a nice romantic idea but does give teams an unfair advantage.
