Mega Thread The Franklin Mint - All Buddy angst, rants, etc to go in here AND NOWHERE ELSE

[Furn2]

I think there's two separate points here:

1/ Paying the contract - they won't be obliged to pay him if he retires.
2/ Salary cap - I would bloody well hope that they would have to have the $ in the cap even if he retires.

If you retire due to injury I think you get paid your contract. It counts in the cap regardless due to being a RFA.

 

[Hawkk]

The Age is pretty much entirely written in Sydney now, isn't it?

Explains the "correction".

Does that Andrew Wu figure still have a gig at the rag?

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Interesting Jacinta has come out to defend her man. Most unusual.

Nearly feels like it's a club or AFL imposed suspension for * and the AFL $wans agreed a plan for communicating, including Jacinta's comments, in a bid to hide the truth and distract everyone...

 

[Nick the Pig]

He would have his 1000 by now if had stayed with us imo. Our window ran longer, we had better ball users going forward and Franklin's playing style was more suited to the MCG.

We probably ran a more Franklin friendly game plan as well. Playing in Sydney meant less 'big' games to get him fired up (e.g Cats, Pies, Bombers etc) in front of big Melbourne crowds.

Not fussed either way now but this year looks shot.

Also our fitness staff tend to try to keep our vets playing at a lighter weight as they get older. Definitely did it with Hodge and Lewis and now with Big Boy. Maybe the Swannies have tried with Bud and it just doesn't work with him but either way he looks to be playing way too heavy for a 33 year old.

 

[thejockey]

I'm just genuinely intrigued why his hamstring injuries are always 9-10 week durations.
Not insinuating anything but the general rule of thumb for hamstrings was 3-4 weeks I thought.
Bud's are always 9-10 weeks, Playfair yesterday seemed very sure at this early stage it was another 9-10 weeker.
Perhaps he rips them off the bone each time..?

It's very feasible . He is 6'6 , 105kgs or so and a powerhouse .

Did my first 'hammy' at 23 missed 3 weeks . Second at 25 and missed 4. 3rd at 28 missed 6 . 4th at 32 and got told 8-10 .

Im no expert at all but some people just have bad hammys and take longer to recover.

 

[spudmaster]

Also our fitness staff tend to try to keep our vets playing at a lighter weight as they get older. Definitely did it with Hodge and Lewis and now with Big Boy. Maybe the Swannies have tried with Bud and it just doesn't work with him but either way he looks to be playing way too heavy for a 33 year old.

Poor Silk's going to be running around sub 50kegs if he plays much longer.

 

[Dewnior]

Cyril missed some big chunks with hamstrings, 12 or so weeks in 2014.

Gibbo too from memory

 

[Hawkie_McHawkHawk]

It's very feasible . He is 6'6 , 105kgs or so and a powerhouse .

Did my first 'hammy' at 23 missed 3 weeks . Second at 25 and missed 4. 3rd at 28 missed 6 . 4th at 32 and got told 8-10 .

Im no expert at all but some people just have bad hammys and take longer to recover.

If the tear is up high near the tendon then at his age they’re wise to give it extended rest. His next one could be his last one.

 

[thejockey]

I think there's two separate points here:

1/ Paying the contract - they won't be obliged to pay him if he retires.
2/ Salary cap - I would bloody well hope that they would have to have the $ in the cap even if he retires.

Would be outcry across the league if anything changed with point 2 , covid-19 or whatever reason.

All contracts are risk . They used the 9 years to stop us matching and stop anyone else from effectively trying to get him. Good luck to them.

Gee we've been stung from signing blokes on 4-5 year deals before, so have other clubs.

You would have Jeff and 16 other club presidents storming AFL house if it got changed ........it wont either imo but the Swans will try.

 

[TylerDurden]

Would be outcry across the league if anything changed with point 2 , covid-19 or whatever reason.

All contracts are risk . They used the 9 years to stop us matching and stop anyone else from effectively trying to get him. Good luck to them.

Gee we've been stung from signing blokes on 4-5 year deals before, so have other clubs.

You would have Jeff and 16 other club presidents storming AFL house if it got changed ........it wont either imo but the Swans will try.

Of course they'll try. To be fair, so would we.
COVID will be the excuse. The media are already hinting. Let's see what Gilz Milz will do. Tick tock.

 

[Gralin]

Dropping list sizes, caps and footy club spend could be the trigger for an overhaul of everything.

Wouldn't be surprised if they changed the rules, they need the swans playing not bankrupt.

It won't be about cheating the Hawks it will be about league survival

 

[thejockey]

Of course they'll try. To be fair, so would we.
COVID will be the excuse. The media are already hinting. Let's see what Gilz Milz will do. Tick tock.

Absolutely . Harley even put it out there on SEN yesterday ....passed without comment though .
Will ramp up as Bud misses more games

 

[DannyJ]

Was a still a great signing by the Swans. Didn't give up any assets and got the most valuable player in the league of the last 20 years.

The contracts of Tippett, Dan H, and Jack were the three costly ones.



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[Rhayader]

Was a still a great signing by the Swans. Didn't give up any assets and got the most valuable player in the league of the last 20 years.

I just assumed they were banking on the salary cap going up in the later years of the contract to get them out of the corner they chose to put themselves in with Franklin. I'll be shocked if they don't get what they wanted, but now as a result of the cap going down.

 

[play2win]

Was a still a great signing by the Swans. Didn't give up any assets and got the most valuable player in the league of the last 20 years.

The contracts of Tippett, Dan H, and Jack were the three costly ones.



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Didn’t give up any assets? Interesting concept, what he was paid (Cash) is not an asset?

 

[threesixpio]

Dropping list sizes, caps and footy club spend could be the trigger for an overhaul of everything.

Wouldn't be surprised if they changed the rules, they need the swans playing not bankrupt.

It won't be about cheating the Hawks it will be about league survival

They should be punished for stealing Buddy. Plain and simple.

 

[Dave Id]

Yep. Have them polish and shine our last two Premiership Cups.

 

[DannyJ]

Didn’t give up any assets? Interesting concept, what he was paid (Cash) is not an asset?

Rephrase, trade assets.

Every clubs uses the cap at 95% at least. So Swans wouldn't have saved any cash by not getting him.

He was well worth the money for the first 5 years of the deal. Actually value. That gap will be closed a little over the next couple of years.

But there'd be no regrets if I was a Swan. I'd regret Tippett and picking Han and Jack over Titch.

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[Furn2]

I can't see Buddy giving up one cent anyways and why should he ?


It's was always a 6-7 year 1.5mil per annum deal with him being paid for an extra couple of years after retiring/being past it. He could have got that straight up at GWS.

 

[eldorado]

Was a still a great signing by the Swans. Didn't give up any assets and got the most valuable player in the league of the last 20 years.

The contracts of Tippett, Dan H, and Jack were the three costly ones.



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It also cost them $2 million a year. $1million for Buddy, and $1 million in lost CoLA.

No flags. Still paying a guy $3 million who is starting to struggle.

Great signing? No.

A pass at best.

 

[Argy]

It also cost them $2 million a year. $1million for Buddy, and $1 million in lost CoLA.

No flags. Still paying a guy $3 million who is starting to struggle.

Great signing? No.

A pass at best.

Because of the way it was done and the press statements made at the time, the success of the trade was always going to be measured in the number of premierships they won with Buddy playing good footy.

That window closed a year or two ago and so the trade can only be considered a failure in those terms.

 

[TylerDurden]

Because of the way it was done and the press statements made at the time, the success of the trade was always going to be measured in the number of premierships they won with Buddy playing good footy.

That window closed a year or two ago and so the trade can only be considered a failure in those terms.

No cups, no success. We know that.

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

Because of the way it was done and the press statements made at the time, the success of the trade was always going to be measured in the number of premierships they won with Buddy playing good footy.

That window closed a year or two ago and so the trade can only be considered a failure in those terms.

We bent them over you reckon ? Bloody Hawthorn, always pantsing teams in trades and giving up nothing in return

 

[thejockey]

You get players in to improve your team and win flags.

They got to 2 GFs with him and lost both . Last time I checked that's zero premierships which is what you play for.

Do I understand them signing him? Absolutely
Was it a success ( so far ) ? Absolutely not

 

[Noel Gallagher]

You get players in to improve your team and win flags.

They got to 2 GFs with him and lost both . Last time I checked that's zero premierships which is what you play for.

Do I understand them signing him? Absolutely
Was it a success ( so far ) ? Absolutely not

Every man and his dog in the media are going out of their way to say that the Franklin trade has been "a resounding success, we would do it all again if we had the chance" blah blah rhetoric. It is so blatant and so obvious. Seriously if they had their time again and with the benefit hindsight there is no way they do this deal again. Instead they keep Mumford whilst still in his prime, pay Mitchell what he truly deserves, and then make their recruiters earn their money by targeting lesser profile but other players with significant upside at a much lower cost. Ill always love Franklin but once he left the brown and gold he was dead to me. Couldnt give a stuff if he doesnt make 1,000 goals or retires tomorow. On the back of loosing Kennedy and Mglynn for peanuts I was so friggin pi$$ed off that the so called "bloods" key recruiting strategy seemed to be targeting Hawthorn players. I look forward to their sad and slow decline which should accelerate with Franklin and Reid (again) out of the side for extended periods. You reap what you so