Review The good, the bad, the shat - vs Fremantle R3 2024

[The Karma Bus]

That's my point, if they didn't trust him they wouldn't have played him there so much last year. They've given midfield time to both Soligo and Rankine this week but still no Rachele who actually look the furthest developed in the midfield than both of them right now.
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You know trust is a fluid thing?
Even if they trusted him early last year, that can and does change in time and experiences.

Even so, they didnt put him in there for long where you can say "they trusted him"

He is further along in his development right now so he should have spent even more time in there. He is being left to rot in a difficult role where you drift in and out of games and weeks, especially when you're young and inexperienced. And when your team upfield is playing utter crap.

Anyway, it's not a Rachele thing. It's an across the board mindset.
The club mentality is broken and is stuck on a broken record going around.

 

[ABAB]

You know trust is a fluid thing?
Even if they trusted him early last year, that can and does change in time and experiences.

Even so, they didnt put him in there for long where you can say "they trusted him"

He is further along in his development right now so he should have spent even more time in there. He is being left to rot in a difficult role where you drift in and out of games and weeks, especially when you're young and inexperienced. And when your team upfield is playing utter crap.

Anyway, it's not a Rachele thing. It's an across the board mindset.
The club mentality is broken and is stuck on a broken record going around.

Surely you aren't expecting a 2nd year player who just transitioned into the midfield to play a lot more than he did last year? And the more he played there week after week than the more trust is built. What has changed this year? I have no idea but Soligo and Rankine got midfield minutes this year so it isn't the lack of trust in the youngsters.

 

[Crow till I die]

We love forming long term judgements based upon beating up on hapless opponents.

In preseason

 

[BigBoSS_Riot]

Surely you aren't expecting a 2nd year player who just transitioned into the midfield to play a lot more than he did last year? And the more he played there week after week than the more trust is built. What has changed this year? I have no idea but Soligo and Rankine got midfield minutes this year so it isn't the lack of trust in the youngsters.

Massive argument misrepresentation going on here. King specifically said that we don't trust Rachele. Not anybody else, not young players in particular. Just Rachele.

Us using Soligo at the centre bounce stoppages more this week was one of our only positives, and he said that himself today.

 

[ABAB]

Massive argument misrepresentation going on here. King specifically said that we don't trust Rachele. Not anybody else, not young players in particular. Just Rachele.

Us using Soligo at the centre bounce stoppages more this week was one of our only positives, and he said that himself today.

I didn't say King said that, it was from a post I responded to "Totally irrelevant to King saying NOW he knows they don't trust him.. but really, it's that they just don't trust young guys. Never have."

 

[BigBoSS_Riot]

I didn't say King said that, it was from a post I responded to "Totally irrelevant to King saying NOW he knows they don't trust him.. but really, it's that they just don't trust young guys. Never have."

That's fair.

Would you not agree that there has been some level of over-reliance on the experienced players though?

 

[ABAB]

That's fair.

Would you not agree that there has been some level of over-reliance on the experienced players though?

I wanted Rachele and Rankine and not just Rankine in there for the first game.

 

[GreyCrow]

Surely you aren't expecting a 2nd year player who just transitioned into the midfield to play a lot more than he did last year?

Yes of course. If we draft them for a role and play them then yes an increase is expected

 

[ABAB]

Yes of course. If we draft them for a role and play them then yes an increase is expected

He only transition into the midfield last year and didn't play any midfield during his draft year but did in junior. This is a similar transition path to Rozee who started in the forward line, how many midfield minutes did he played in his 2nd year?

 

[GreyCrow]

He only transition into the midfield last year and didn't play any midfield during his draft year but did in junior. This is a similar transition path to Rozee who started in the forward line, how many midfield minutes did he played in his 2nd year?

Stats dont mean much

I will tell you what means the most - I bolded it for you - he played midfield last year and played midfield as a junior

WHY THE F would you NOT continue playing him in the midfield?

 

[George Kramer]

Stats dont mean much

I will tell you what means the most - I bolded it for you - he played midfield last year and played midfield as a junior

WHY THE F would you NOT continue playing him in the midfield?

Nicks

 

[GreyCrow]

Nicks

I mean abababababababas answer was '' well he didnt play in his first year'' fmd

 

[ABAB]

Stats dont mean much

I will tell you what means the most - I bolded it for you - he played midfield last year and played midfield as a junior

WHY THE F would you NOT continue playing him in the midfield?

I thought you said you were expecting a lot more midfield minutes last year from him? But yes, I don't know why he didn't start in the centre with Rankine against GCS unless Nicks think he want Crouch and Laird to get first hand which they are very good at and give the ball to Dawson to just bomb it as this is more suited to his defensive game plan.

 

[George Kramer]

I mean abababababababas answer was '' well he didnt play in his first year'' fmd

I try not to read too many of its posts

 

[ABAB]

I mean abababababababas answer was '' well he didnt play in his first year'' fmd

What? You want to throw someone who doesn't have the fitness base as he didn't play midfield during their draft year into the midfield at the AFL level, are you all there? I just told you Rachele is following the same path as Rozee who played forward in his first year and transition into the midfield the 2nd year and gave you stats. Again, are you all there?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Stats dont mean much

I will tell you what means the most - I bolded it for you - he played midfield last year and played midfield as a junior

WHY THE F would you NOT continue playing him in the midfield?

You're giving Rachele way too much cudos .....he has done nothing ATS to warrant star status ....it's all media hype

Putting him into the midfield might appease you ....it will not however change the current situation

It's laughable Rachele being compared to Greene .....an insult to Greene

 

[ABAB]

You're giving Rachele way too much cudos .....he has done nothing ATS to warrant star status ....it's all media hype

Putting him into the midfield might appease you ....it will not however change the current situation

It's laughable Rachele being compared to Greene .....an insult to Greene

Average 20 disposals and kicked 10.10 in the first 7 weeks when he transitioned into the midfield, those are Greene like numbers.

 

[George Kramer]

You're giving Rachele way too much cudos .....he has done nothing ATS to warrant star status ....it's all media hype

Putting him into the midfield might appease you ....it will not however change the current situation

It's laughable Rachele being compared to Greene .....an insult to Greene

So you’d keep the status quo then?

So now we are 0-3, would you be re-signing Nicks this week?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

You're giving Rachele way too much cudos .....he has done nothing ATS to warrant star status ....it's all media hype

Putting him into the midfield might appease you ....it will not however change the current situation

It's laughable Rachele being compared to Greene .....an insult to Greene

I think we as a club always look for reasons not to do things

 

[davos44]

I don't even recognise this team which is playing every week at the moment.

We let players run riot and don't seem to do anything about it.
Coming out of the backline is a fumbly, panicked disaster, hacking the ball out with no direction.
The ball strolls at a leisurely pace out of our forward line, Rankine, Rachele and Murphy are supposed to apply pressure aren't they?
The delivery in is under heavy pressure and even when not they are a kick in hope which tends to get turned over in an instant or it trickles out of bounds.

Pedlar is fast turning into a disaster of a pick, 4 touches in 3 quarters for a first rounder. Seems like there is confusion about what to do with the guy, why not put him back to the SANFL and give him time on ground instead of having him rotate to the forward line, into the midfield and then back again? 40% game time on Friday night, is he supremely unfit?

It feels like the gameplan has changed to protect the defence somewhat but Keane, Worrell and Michelanney are doing just fine. Its actually been our strength which says how much of a broken mess the midfield and forward line have been.

Have we built everything around Thilthorpe or something?

Happy to get a bottom 4 finish this year if it means getting a big bodied talented midfielder instead of anyone but.

Our backline needs to be under instruction to play on out of defence every time they have the ball, the "down the line" plan only works when you go down straight away, instead of waiting 8 seconds then going down the line. Whats the worst thats going to happen? We only kick 4 goals?

 

[MsTopG]

Rachele wants more CBAs, said as much publicly, and look what happened.
ZERO CBAs on Friday; cannot be coincidental.

Surely Rachele should know he's in the wrong age and disposal efficiency bracket to get cba's. He needs to learn the skyed dink which Laird and Crouch specialise in and his incorrect age bracket might be overlooked.

 

[feenix67]

You're giving Rachele way too much cudos .....he has done nothing ATS to warrant star status ....it's all media hype

Putting him into the midfield might appease you ....it will not however change the current situation

It's laughable Rachele being compared to Greene .....an insult to Greene

I mean, you only need to look at his stats from Round 3 to 6 last season to see that he was becoming an influential player on the back of more midfield time. He was a key ingredient in that little 4-0 run we had. Certainly he showed enough to indicate we needed to continue to give him meaningful midfield minutes.

You're getting it a bit wrong lately mate - and by lately I mean always.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I mean, you only need to look at his stats from Round 3 to 6 last season to see that he was becoming an influential player on the back of more midfield time. He was a key ingredient in that little 4-0 run we had. Certainly he showed enough to indicate we needed to continue to give him meaningful midfield minutes.

You're getting it a bit wrong lately mate - and by lately I mean always.

It's all a but of nothing anyway. Like, if this nonsense was really true and all of our high end draft picks are just too shit to play any meaningful role and would downturn our performance then we might as well play them in there anyway.

The entire rebuild is built around these players. If they supposedly stink, which gets dragged out every time someone calls for them to be allowed to do more, then what's the point of clinging to being a 7 win team behind old stagers? Don't we need to acquire the talent that will be our future still?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I mean, you only need to look at his stats from Round 3 to 6 last season to see that he was becoming an influential player on the back of more midfield time. He was a key ingredient in that little 4-0 run we had. Certainly he showed enough to indicate we needed to continue to give him meaningful midfield minutes.

You're getting it a bit wrong lately mate - and by lately I mean always.

LOL .....you're using a 3 game ave to disprove my argument

Let us say for the sake of the argument, Rachele was great in the midfield in those 3 games .......why was he moved back to the FWD line .....and don't say Coaches call
And if it was fitness, then with another PS, he should be playing Mid .....but he's not, stats don't tell the full story on mids, just the offensive aspect .......does he two way run hard, no

Rachele's an impact player .....on that aspect, similar to Greene, who's never been a FT Mid

The Robbie Gray comparison I can see ......predominantly a fwd though

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

LOL .....you're using a 3 game ave to disprove my argument

Let us say for the sake of the argument, Rachele was great in the midfield in those 3 games .......why was he moved back to the FWD line .....and don't say Coaches call
And if it was fitness, then with another PS, he should be playing Mid .....but he's not, stats don't tell the full story on mids, just the offensive aspect .......does he two way run hard, no

Rachele's an impact player .....on that aspect, similar to Greene, who's never been a FT Mid

The Robbie Gray comparison I can see ......predominantly a fwd though

Jesus. You sound like Vader.

Because he was shifted back forward it must mean he can’t play midfield. Great logic.