The Greens

[Baltimore Jack]

How does that relate across the State or in selected electorates? What does it mean in terms of seats?

Yes, quite possibly

 

[Saint]

statewide

There's a statisical thing where the polling the Greens would be having done would have a lot more focus on inner-urban seats. The published numbers might be technically state-wide, but the Greens don't have the $$ to do decent state-wide polls, but would be polling inner-city winnable seats a lot more.

The remit to the polling co. would be to give them a statewide poll as well as targeted polls in up to about 10 seats. The polling company would include the polls in the targeted seats in the statewide numbers, but they would struggle to correct for the urban bias. The margin of error would be a lot larger. It's just my thinking on why the Greens always have larger statewide numbers for themselves than what ends up in the polls.

 

[Kwality]

Yes, quite possibly

So you dont know how it equates to seats - the party will know.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Vic

Good times. Hopefully will also set the voters of my state of NSW thinking as they go to the polls next March.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

There's a statisical thing where the polling the Greens would be having done would have a lot more focus on inner-urban seats. The published numbers might be technically state-wide, but the Greens don't have the $$ to do decent state-wide polls, but would be polling inner-city winnable seats a lot more.

The remit to the polling co. would be to give them a statewide poll as well as targeted polls in up to about 10 seats. The polling company would include the polls in the targeted seats in the statewide numbers, but they would struggle to correct for the urban bias. The margin of error would be a lot larger. It's just my thinking on why the Greens always have larger statewide numbers for themselves than what ends up in the polls.

16% is within the margin of error (14.5%) of Morgan

Greens membership is going through the roof
In my Branch we get 8 to 10 new members each month
I asked the Candidate I spoke to on the weekend if it was the same in other Branches, he replied that it was very similar all over

Now, let's assume that is factual....the polling then makes absolute sense

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I bet the internal Greens polling is urban-centric/leaning.

I dream of an Australia where rural voters finally grasp that a good Greens candidate is much closer to their outlook than the totally compromised Nat one.

With the Libs totally on the nose in urban seats, might finally be the end of the suffocating Coalition influence on this ****ing great country.

 

[Saint]

I dream of an Australia where rural voters finally grasp that a good Greens candidate is much closer to their outlook than the totally compromised Nat one.

With the Libs totally on the nose in urban seats, might finally be the end of the suffocating Coalition influence on this ******* great country.

It's amazing when I speak to by rural relatives that most of what they say they want is aligned to Greens policies (and the problems they see are caused directly and indirectly by mining interests and the federal Nats), but they'd never dream of voting anyone other than Nationals.

That being said, the Vic state Nats are not as bad as the Commonwealth ones from outback NSW and Qld who are completely beholden to mining interests. At least the Vic Nats still care about farmers. The Comm Nats only care about mining interests and use rural towns to justify destroying farming land and water.

 

[Saint]

Good times. Hopefully will also set the voters of my state of NSW thinking as they go to the polls next March.

The Shooters and Fishers have already started the capture of disaffected Nationals and rural voters. I doubt the Greens will do as well state-wide as the Vic Greens do, who have support in urban and in rural areas.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

It's amazing when I speak to by rural relatives that most of what they say they want is aligned to Greens policies (and the problems they see are caused directly and indirectly by mining interests and the federal Nats), but they'd never dream of voting anyone other than Nationals.

That being said, the Vic state Nats are not as bad as the Commonwealth ones from outback NSW and Qld who are completely beholden to mining interests. At least the Vic Nats still care about farmers. The Comm Nats only care about mining interests and use rural towns to justify destroying farming land and water.

In a previous life I did some work that involved discussing some issue with the Vic Nats
I foud them very easy to deal with and they seriously wanted genuine progress

 

[Saint]

In a previous life I did some work that involved discussing some issue with the Vic Nats
I foud them very easy to deal with and they seriously wanted genuine progress

I think if grassroots Vic Nats attended a Qld Nats party meeting they'd leave the party as full of backwards-thinking rednecks.

If grassroots Qld Nats attended a Vic Nats Party meeting they'd leave the party as full of lefty-latte-sipping science-loving tree-huggers.

 

[RW]

It's amazing when I speak to by rural relatives that most of what they say they want is aligned to Greens policies (and the problems they see are caused directly and indirectly by mining interests and the federal Nats), but they'd never dream of voting anyone other than Nationals.

Yeah, I was a Lib voter until I realised this and my politics swung sharply left at the last federal election as a result

 

[Hornberger]

I think if grassroots Vic Nats attended a Qld Nats party meeting they'd leave the party as full of backwards-thinking rednecks.

If grassroots Qld Nats attended a Vic Nats Party meeting they'd leave the party as full of lefty-latte-sipping science-loving tree-huggers.

I do wonder if you could see a spilt the in the national party.

The agrarian socialists quit the Nationals to form a new Country party.

The Nationals remain the exclusive domain of mining lobby and climate change denialists.

 

[Millky95]

I do wonder if you could see a spilt the in the national party.

The agrarian socialists quit the Nationals to form a new Country party.

The Nationals remain the exclusive domain of mining lobby and climate change denialists.

Who would fund them though?

 

[RW]

I do wonder if you could see a spilt the in the national party.

The agrarian socialists quit the Nationals to form a new Country party.

The Nationals remain the exclusive domain of mining lobby and climate change denialists.

Interestingly, Katter's Australian Party has some agrarian socialist policies in their platform - they support establishing a government-owned development bank, are opposed to privatisation and support re-nationalising privatised assets, and are opposed to corporate monopolies. I dare say this explains some of their popularity in North Qld

 

[Saint]

Interestingly, Katter's Australian Party has some agrarian socialist policies in their platform - they support establishing a government-owned development bank, are opposed to privatisation and support re-nationalising privatised assets, and are opposed to corporate monopolies. I dare say this explains some of their popularity in North Qld

Govt Insurance is a huuuuge issue for farmers and large rural businesses. They can't afford private insurance any more thanks to climate change and the Qld Nats all vote for a party that doesn't believe in climate change. The Victorian Nats work well with the VFF and are mostly on the same page. They don't have the insurance issues of their northern brethren yet, but they will as floods and droughts become more severe and frequent.

I think the Vic Nats should split from the Libs and offer a centrist partnership with the ALP if the upper house of Vic Parl goes even more divided. That way the Vic Nats might be able to get something they want in the next 20 years while the Libs are in oblivion.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Govt Insurance is a huuuuge issue for farmers and large rural businesses. They can't afford private insurance any more thanks to climate change and the Qld Nats all vote for a party that doesn't believe in climate change. The Victorian Nats work well with the VFF and are mostly on the same page. They don't have the insurance issues of their northern brethren yet, but they will as floods and droughts become more severe and frequent.

I think the Vic Nats should split from the Libs and offer a centrist partnership with the ALP if the upper house of Vic Parl goes even more divided. That way the Vic Nats might be able to get something they want in the next 20 years while the Libs are in oblivion.

Geez, there's an absolute horror show history of CP/ALP coalitions in Vic.

 

[Saint]

Geez, there's an absolute horror show history of CP/ALP coalitions in Vic.

Geez, how old are you? Not sure any history beyond 50 years is particularly relevant.

 

[Satan]

Greens Senator Lidia Thorpe admits to undisclosed relationship with ex-bikie boss while on law enforcement committee


Greens senator Lidia Thorpe admits to undisclosed relationship with ex-bikie boss while on law enforcement committes

 

[CakeEater]

Its all Dusty Martins fault.....

 

[Gralin]

thats a very impressive amount of hand wringing over someone's private life

good to see the ABC taking their turn.....

 

[Kwality]

It's amazing when I speak to by rural relatives that most of what they say they want is aligned to Greens policies (and the problems they see are caused directly and indirectly by mining interests and the federal Nats), but they'd never dream of voting anyone other than Nationals.

That being said, the Vic state Nats are not as bad as the Commonwealth ones from outback NSW and Qld who are completely beholden to mining interests. At least the Vic Nats still care about farmers. The Comm Nats only care about mining interests and use rural towns to justify destroying farming land and water.

Its easy to dismiss mining until you look at where the dollars come from. Dollars that Governments want to spread around on their flights of Fancy.
Dollars that saved us from the worst of the GFC.

 

[Gralin]

Its easy to dismiss mining until you look at where the dollars come from. Dollars that Governments want to spread around on their flights of Fancy.
Dollars that saved us from the worst of the GFC.

yeah those dollars would be really useful for all the flood and bushfire victims that are currenlty homeless, when do they get some?

 

[Gralin]

if mining companies had to actually pay the real costs of the damage they do to the environment they wouldn't be profitable

 

[Gralin]

amazing how much tax payer money subsidises the fossil fuel industry in Australia and people like Kwality act like that industry is the only thing keeping Australia afloat

 

[Baltimore Jack]

amazing how much tax payer money subsidises the fossil fuel industry in Australia and people like Kwality act like that industry is the only thing keeping Australia afloat

About $11.5 billion