So if I define the "Best player of the past 10 years" as "anyone who may be top ten player in each year" - that's ok, because that's how I define it - or are you going to call me out for being an imbecile? I would expect the latter.
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So, of the players I actually named, Bont, Fyfe, Dangerfield, Petracca, you think there is absolutely no way a player of that calibre meets generational status? You think my reasoning in "consistent top 5 player" and someone who is thought about with regards to a "generation" is so far from the idea of generational is that it's the same as exaggerating to "who may be top 10 player in each year" and calling them an imbecile?
TBH the last couple of weeks have shown the possibility is there. Basically Nic nat with a tank. He was doing stuff that ruckmen just don't do, and there's still a lot of room for improvement.
Which isn't to say he'll get to legend status - that's always a long shot for anyone his age. But I wouldn't be surprised if we're putting his name up there with those guys in 2035.
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Jackson is like a D&D character with maxxed stats in strength and dexterity and a zero in wisdom and intelligence.
The man was born to play football because he has **** all else going in the brains department.
He was awesome to watch on the weekend.
The man was born to play football because he has **** all else going in the brains department.
He was awesome to watch on the weekend.
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That's fair but I think when they are 21 you get excited about what they do against poorer players and extrapolate that to what they do to the good players in their prime. If we call Jackson a ruckman, here are the top ruckman for coaches votes this year
49 - Luke Jackson
40 - Max Gawn
37 - Rowan Marshall
35 - Tim English
30 - Jarrod Witts
Again, opposition, but I'll be disappointed if the man doesnt pick up another 8-10 votes this weekend.
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I’ve watched plenty of Dockers games this year and in games where Jackson was the main ruck he was bettered by Rhys Stanley, Nankervis and Briggs.
Playing second fiddle and filling in when Darcy gets puffed is a bit disingenuous to compare that to full timers.
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basically the freo fans have done a 180. What happened to the 'he's done nothing, it's all potential only'. He's a '2nd ruck only'. etc.
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Yeah, I mean he’s 21, that happens, still been amazing enough to get 49 votes already which I think is more than any KPP bar Curnow. Ruck vs “all over” is an interesting debate but regardless of what we label him as my main point I suppose is his best is pretty awesome
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At the least important position when it comes to building a team to win flags. What's next? Freo trading the farm for a generational sub?
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Keep up mate we’ve already got Bailey Banfield.
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Why would we do that? We already have banfield.
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Your mob isn’t winning that flag without Gawn (let alone Jackson himself).
I’ve seen enough to suggest he’ll be the best ruck in the game within 2-3 years.
The only question is whether they trade Sean Darcy now or let him go at the end of next year because they definitely don’t need both of them (on $2m a year between them).
He's a gun and will continue to get better. Freo chased him hard and gave him a big contract, that all points to a high draft value in a trade.
Obviously Freo's dismal season was difficult to predict, but I think the picks we'll get this year represents fair trade value. Melbourne would have definitely preferred to keep him but a top 5 pick will lessen the blow. It could definitely result in a win/win trade, Freo get a gun for 10+ years, Melbourne gets a chance to add some more top end talent to the list in a year we play in finals.
After seeing Jackson play so well as the no.1 ruck do you think there's a spot for Darcy in the team?
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Tell me, how far did the second highest paid ruck combo in the league take Freo this year?
Gawn is a massive edge coz of his marking around the ground, after that there is practically no difference whatsoever between the 2nd best ruck and 18th best ruck in the league in terms of making a team a premiership threat. Look at the best teams this year outside Melbourne: Pies, Lions, Port, Carlton, all their rucks are average or worse.
A soon as Gawn retires I very much hope we dont spend mega bucks on it anymore. Its no longer a position of value.
And Nic Nat had more than 20 touches 6 times in his whole career. Jackson's already done that 8 times.
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I'd have to go through the games he got coaches votes and check but I'm pretty sure he had some BOG games in other areas and while he was awesome the last couple of weeks (and throughout the year), the opposition wasnt the best. There is absolutely room for both in the team and Jackson can have a big impact playing the mid/ruck/fwd roll he's played in parts this year.
A more nuanced question is probably if we are better off turning Darcy into an AA forward or KPD. I'd say if you take any kind of intangible out of it we are but it's going to be a tricky question the next few years.
Hopefully Sumich can do a mark cost comparison between them both in a full page spread.
If Melbourne hang on to Jackson one more season they romp home the flag this season.
As many others have said, the trade can only really be valued in about 5-10 years.
If he helps us to win a premiership - win.
If he helps us to consistently play finals - win.
If he consistently gets top 3 in best and fairest and we make finals - win.
If he gets top 3 in best and fairest but we have more seasons like this one - loss.
If he is not really a great player - loss.
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