The never ending Priddis debate - part II

[WCErevival]

My post was an acceptance of the reality at wc - hes not going anywhere so how do we cover for him

If it were up to me hed be at east perth and sheed and yeo et al would be learning the game as fast as they could.

Ie not with priddis playing 80% of their minutes

I dont understand this thinking. You're talking as if its just Priddis in the midfield while everyone else sits on the bench.

 

[Johnno22]

You just denied my point then accept he did a Bradbury and agree with me.

Good work

A Bradbury only exists in your mind.

I don't accept there is such a thing as a Bradbury. so I would hardly agree with you on that.

I really struggle to see how you connect some of your responses with the point at issue.

 

[Godfather32]

The same as the fans using the ALF Grand Final as an excuse to get smashed.

That makes sense. If I was an elite thinker I would have realised this.

Thanks for the insight.

Whilst it was a good show, I don't remember people getting smashed and watching the last episode.

 

[kranky al]

I dont understand this thinking. You're talking as if its just Priddis in the midfield while everyone else sits on the bench.

Ok let me try again - there is a turnover, carlton make a fast break, shuey yeo, masten, rosa and priddis run to cover their men, priddis is left behind as he is too slow to keep up, we are now a man down and they just play keepy offs until one of them receives an easy handball in space and a path free to goal, bennell sees this and has to leave his man or concede an easy goal. He is stuck trying to cover two men.


This is a result of priddis - no one else - every one else is covering their man except for slowpoke. Slowpoke cant cover his man ever on a fast break as he is too slow to do so.

There is no single player in the afl midfield as slow as him- This is why we get scored against on the rebound easier than any team - and why the good teams like hawthorn put us to the sword.

 

[Johnno22]

Whilst it was a good show, I don't remember people getting smashed and watching the last episode.

Your best response yet.

 

[kranky al]

Surely that's the very nature of the world.

you can never rely on "if"

You can only ever bank on what actually happens.

Bradbury won the gold medal because he was the best on the day.

He trained hard, he earned selection, he won the his way into the final and he put himself in a position to win gold.

As I said previously Ablett was good enough to win the last six Brownlows but he didn't.

Australia would have won the the World Cup match against NZ if the Aussie batsmen had made 180 runs which they would normally make with ease but the didn't.

It is what it is and the wins are on the board and no "if" will ever be recorded.

As I said before durability is an asset and very much part of being a winner.

There is actually a huge difference between bradbury and priddis.

You see bradbury won gold and thats that.

Theres nothing more - its an olympics - and he won.... Game over.

Priddis won a brownlow.

We dont win a premiership from that - shit we couldnt even make a final on the back of that.


As a team - its worthless having a bradbury - id rather a pendlebury - even with his relatively quiet year last year we would have got into the finals and maybe even won one

Thats the difference

 

[Johnno22]

Ok let me try again - there is a turnover, carlton make a fast break, shuey yeo, masten, rosa and priddis run to cover their men, priddis is left behind as he is too slow to keep up, we are now a man down and they just play keepy offs until one of them receives an easy handball in space and a path free to goal, bennell sees this and has to leave his man or concede an easy goal. He is stuck trying to cover two men.


This is a result of priddis - no one else - every one else is covering their man except for slowpoke. Slowpoke cant cover his man ever on a fast break as he is too slow to do so.

There is no single player in the afl midfield as slow as him- This is why we get scored against on the rebound easier than any team - and why the good teams like hawthorn put us to the sword.

Not sure this is correct.

How do you determine who is Priddis' man?.

I think what you described is 70s' football. Todays football is all about how we structure up at stoppages and guarding zones.
The coaches make the call on how that structure is played out and players are drilled to instinctively go to a particular zone to either defend of be active in the rebound.

In all fairness unless you are privy to how we structure up then you are in no position to judge whether Priddis is at fault in these circumstances or not.

 

[WCErevival]

Ok let me try again - there is a turnover, carlton make a fast break, shuey yeo, masten, rosa and priddis run to cover their men, priddis is left behind as he is too slow to keep up, we are now a man down and they just play keepy offs until one of them receives an easy handball in space and a path free to goal, bennell sees this and has to leave his man or concede an easy goal. He is stuck trying to cover two men.


This is a result of priddis - no one else - every one else is covering their man except for slowpoke. Slowpoke cant cover his man ever on a fast break as he is too slow to do so.

There is no single player in the afl midfield as slow as him- This is why we get scored against on the rebound easier than any team - and why the good teams like hawthorn put us to the sword.

Because Mitchell is a real speed demon isnt he. There are plenty of midfielders out there with average pace that cant chase down anyone. Not many teams can cover a quick turn over.

 

[Johnno22]

There is actually a huge difference between bradbury and priddis.

You see bradbury won gold and thats that.

Theres nothing more - its an olympics - and he won.... Game over.

Priddis won a brownlow.

We dont win a premiership from that - shit we couldnt even make a final on the back of that.


As a team - its worthless having a bradbury - id rather a pendlebury - even with his relatively quiet year last year we would have got into the finals and maybe even won one

Thats the difference

We definitely agree on one thing and that is I would also prefer Pendebury to Bradbury in our team.

Another thing we agree on is the end result is what it is.

So using this as the basis for my argument the Brownlow result last year or any other year is set in stone and not subject to the "If" clause.

Also I'm not sure anybody suggested that it would win us a premiership or make finals. St Kilda with all its Brownlow Medalists will surely attest to that.

 

[kranky al]

Not sure this is correct.

How do you determine who is Priddis' man?.

I think what you described is 70s' football. Todays football is all about how we structure up at stoppages and guarding zones.
The coaches make the call on how that structure is played out and players are drilled to instinctively go to a particular zone to either defend of be active in the rebound.

In all fairness unless you are privy to how we structure up then you are in no position to judge whether Priddis is at fault in these circumstances or not.

How do i determine who is priddis' man - easy

Whoever is closest to him when the turnover happens and then sprints aways from him.

When a turnover happens you arent in any position to pick a man you are by the very nature of a turnover, badly out of position.

When you instead of covering the man closest to you instead find yourself 20m behind the play very quicky it means they have a man spare and the defending team get to play keepy offs - if priddis was fast, this wouldnt happen. Priddis is slow so it does.

Ergo priddis' fault.

 

[Johnno22]

How do i determine who is priddis' man - easy

Whoever is closest to him when the turnover happens and then sprints aways from him.

When a turnover happens you arent in any position to pick a man you are by the very nature of a turnover, badly out of position.

When you instead of covering the man closest to you instead find yourself 20m behind the play very quicky it means they have a man spare and the defending team get to play keepy offs - if priddis was fast, this wouldnt happen. Priddis is slow so it does.

Ergo priddis' fault.

How does this answer modern day footballs use of structures, you neglected to mention that.

We don't know the game plan so maybe and just maybe the job of a primary midfielder is to get to the next contest and conserve their run to achieve that or to peel off and create an offensive option on the rebound. But as I said we are not privy to this information and I am certainly in no position to make a call on this.

Classic example of what you see is not always the case and second guessing holds no weight.

 

[Godfather32]

We definitely agree on one thing and that is I would also prefer Pendebury to Bradbury in our team.

Another thing we agree on is the end result is what it is.

So using this as the basis for my argument the Brownlow result last year or any other year is set in stone and not subject to the "If" clause.

Also I'm not sure anybody suggested that it would win us a premiership or make finals. St Kilda with all its Brownlow Medalists will surely attest to that.

Do you think Priddis was a worthy Brownlow medalist and why?

 

[new breed]

You need different types of players in the team to give balance to the team , if we had all speedsters it wouldn't work .

Priddis is necessary at the moment to get the hard ball , which he does as well as anyone all we need is a game plan to make the best of Matty Priddis's strengths for the benefit of the team .

I reckon this year WCE will have a less emphasis on Matt and other players could get off the leash like a Dominic Sheed and an improved Masten .

 

[jesterwester]

Do you think Priddis was a worthy Brownlow medalist and why?

I do.

He didn't get too many BOG 3 votes last year. But he got plenty of 1's & 2's, even in games we lost. Which is indicative of the way priddis is. He's the guy at the bottom of the pack, week in week out regardless of the result he will stand up for us in the midfield. He didn't have too many friends in that department at times last year.
IMO, he deserves it for that consistency over the whole year.

He has his faults, sure; his words after his win were indicative that he realises that as much as anyone. But I am glad he won. He has had to work harder than most to get to where he is now.

 

[Godfather32]

I do.

He didn't get too many BOG 3 votes last year. But he got plenty of 1's & 2's, even in games we lost. Which is indicative of the way priddis is. He's the guy at the bottom of the pack, week in week out regardless of the result he will stand up for us in the midfield. He didn't have too many friends in that department at times last year.
IMO, he deserves it for that consistency over the whole year.

He has his faults, sure; his words after his win were indicative that he realises that as much as anyone. But I am glad he won. He has had to work harder than most to get to where he is now.

To me though, what you are describing is someone who wins the best clubman type awards, not the top award for a whole competition.

 

[Johnno22]

Do you think Priddis was a worthy Brownlow medalist and why?

I have no problems with Priddis winning the Brownlow. Firstly because he is an Eagles player.

The Brownlow rewards consistency, ball winning ability, courage, determination, durability and fairness and Priddis fills all these criteria.
so yes he is a worthy winner.

Do I think he is the most skilled player, the fastest player or the best kick. The answer is no.

There are other awards that he was obviously not in the running for despite scoring in the top 10% in the voting but his well documents deficiencies denied him a winning chance.

If you take Matthews, Carey, Ablett Sen. and Fyffe, they didn't or havn't won a Brownlow because of their deficiencies in that they did not meet the criteria.

 

[Pottering]

Why should the other players have to cover Priddis's man.

Why should they have to work harder.

With Nic Nat back to hopefully fully fit, that should be the icing on the cake take us above the average midfield, not just break even with middle of the road teams.

Not aimed at you Kranky Al, but there's a chorus of opinion from the Pro Priddis supporters that everyone needs to lift to cover Priddis.

And not one of those supporters has come out and defended that he is a liability defensively, in the 1000's of posts.

Care to supply any quotes of people actually calling for everyone to lift to cover Priddis? Apparently there's a "chorus" to choose from, so should be a simple task.

 

[jesterwester]

To me though, what you are describing is someone who wins the best clubman type awards, not the top award for a whole competition.

Fair point- but it's not really the top award for the whole competition anymore really. There are plenty of footballers who had better years than priddis did last year that barely get a mention.

I am glad it gives priddis some respect.

 

[Godfather32]

I have no problems with Priddis winning the Brownlow. Firstly because he is an Eagles player.

The Brownlow rewards consistency, ball winning ability, courage, determination, durability and fairness and Priddis fills all these criteria.
so yes he is a worthy winner.

Do I think he is the most skilled player, the fastest player or the best kick. The answer is no.

There are other awards that he was obviously not in the running for despite scoring in the top 10% in the voting but his well documents deficiencies denied him a winning chance.

That's my problem with it though, I think that Priddis' lack of skills, speed and disposal ability completely wipe out the good things he does on the field. I think he is at best a net neutral on the field. I don't think the premier award for a national competition should go to someone who doesn't at least have a net positive influence for the team he plays for.

 

[Godfather32]

Fair point- but it's not really the top award for the whole competition anymore really. There are plenty of footballers who had better years than priddis did last year that barely get a mention.

I am glad it gives priddis some respect.

 

[WCErevival]

So is anyone going to back him again this year? He's at $18. I got on him last year at $16

 

[Pottering]

At the end of the day Priddis and the Brownlow are quite alike, they are both majorly flawed and both revered by the unthinking masses.

When Godfather32 uses the phrase "unthinking masses" he means everyone who doesn't share his opinion. And such people certainly form quite a mass.

 

[Godfather32]

When Godfather32 uses the phrase "unthinking masses" he means everyone who doesn't share his opinion. And such people certainly form quite a mass.

Actually what I was referring to are the type of people who just read what the media says and take it as gospel, instead of analysing things for themselves and coming to their own conclusions.

 

[Kernel Sanders]

Not sure this is correct.

How do you determine who is Priddis' man?.

I think what you described is 70s' football. Todays football is all about how we structure up at stoppages and guarding zones.
The coaches make the call on how that structure is played out and players are drilled to instinctively go to a particular zone to either defend of be active in the rebound.

In all fairness unless you are privy to how we structure up then you are in no position to judge whether Priddis is at fault in these circumstances or not.

Oh come on old chap....

Ploddus can't zone up if his life depended on it. I'd have a better chance keeping up wheeling my Grandma around.

 

[Pottering]

To me though, what you are describing is someone who wins the best clubman type awards, not the top award for a whole competition.

A Best Clubman type is one who is generally a fringe player who battles to maintain a regular spot or is doing everything possible to overcome injury. Conversely Priddis is a continual high poller in a multitude of awards, the polar opposite of a"best clubman". It is actually possible to be a grafting in and under player who performs week in/week out and be recognised as a key player. I suppose you'd remove Nathan Jones of his 3 on the trot Bluey Truscott Medals at Melbourne plus the 13 votes he accumulated in the Brownlow last year because he's too Priddis-like and converting those F&B awards to Best Clubmans (maybe Jack Watts could be gifted one because he's such a good kick)?