The never ending Priddis debate - part II

[Pottering]

The fact that we haven't had great midfielders for the last few years is clearly the fault of our recruitment team. The fact that Priddis still can't kick to an under 12's level is only one mans fault. There's no use having 20 hard ball gets a game if 15 of them end up straight back in the other teams hands.

Explain then how, despite the massive liabilities you allege, he, a) keeps getting a game b) keeps getting F&B votes in big numbers c) keeps getting Brownlow votes in big numbers d) gets in the AA squad e) keeps getting votes in the Coach's Assoc award and f) keeps getting in the best player lists in the media, year after year? How is this incredible contradiction possible? There's a few possibilities; i) mass delusion perpetrated by Priddis himself, some sort of Jedi mind trick, ii) all those footy industry types are right and you're wrong & iii) all those footy industry types (and me) are wrong and you're right. I think you know which one I choose.

 

[Godfather32]

Explain then how, despite the massive liabilities you allege, he, a) keeps getting a game b) keeps getting F&B votes in big numbers c) keeps getting Brownlow votes in big numbers d) gets in the AA squad e) keeps getting votes in the Coach's Assoc award and f) keeps getting in the best player lists in the media, year after year? How is this incredible contradiction possible? There's a few possibilities; i) mass delusion perpetrated by Priddis himself, some sort of Jedi mind trick, ii) all those footy industry types are right and you're wrong & iii) all those footy industry types (and me) are wrong and you're right. I think you know which one I choose.

So your stance is that all of those people/votes/experts are correct? So you're saying that Priddis is the best player on our team?

 

[Smotie]

Thanks for that non-retraction of your claim that "all" I base my stance on is Priddis' Brownlow win.

Priddis' strength isn't the stellar moments of a Dangerfield but the start to finish ball winning ability (like a Josh Kennedy, Sydney version). You, like so many others, are befuddled by his tremendous performances in so many different awards and keep harping on about "what's he done?" as if those awards mean squat and were voted on by dunces. That's just arrogant. Just as silly is this constant whine that our lack of silverware all rests on Priddis' shoulders. His teammates must love him, he takes all the heat, while they get off scot free.

And how, in any universe, is your claim that his "DEMANDING" his position is contorted to mean he can't play elsewhere? Clearly we were taught English differently.

But I mentioned the coaches and dancing girl awards.

And thanks for deflecting my question.

 

[Smotie]

Explain then how, despite the massive liabilities you allege, he, a) keeps getting a game b) keeps getting F&B votes in big numbers c) keeps getting Brownlow votes in big numbers d) gets in the AA squad e) keeps getting votes in the Coach's Assoc award and f) keeps getting in the best player lists in the media, year after year? How is this incredible contradiction possible? There's a few possibilities; i) mass delusion perpetrated by Priddis himself, some sort of Jedi mind trick, ii) all those footy industry types are right and you're wrong & iii) all those footy industry types (and me) are wrong and you're right. I think you know which one I choose.

Still no on field exceptional game breaking performance by priddis to speak of?

Just more votes?

 

[Smotie]

Still no on field exceptional game breaking performance by priddis to speak of?

Just more votes?

He played great against Carlton though a week ago...he really busted that game right open.

 

[Pottering]

Still no on field exceptional game breaking performance by priddis to speak of?

Just more votes?

Believe or not games are not won solely by sporadic eye-catching performances. If you're Gary Ablett Jnr then those eye-catching performances aren't sporadic, but for other mere mortals they tend to be. I'm guessing you would be the type who'd join a cult; you seem to be looking for a saviour, a miracle worker, someone who can do the seemingly impossible (in the case of cults it is impossible, but they get you to believe anyway).

What is exceptional about Priddis is his consistent high level of performance, that's why he's recognised in various awards. Seems you are upset he isn't a high flying speedster who kicks 70 metre goals. If you are I have news for you, everybody wants one of those, they're extremely thin on the ground. In the meantime, while waiting for the messiah to arrive, there are games to play and the ball to be won. Not very glamorous at the base of the pack, but somebody has to go and get the pill. In that regard it's Priddis and daylight at the Eagles.

And these constant potshots at Priddis for picking up votes from all manner of sources is just plain tiresome, it's as though it's actually a bad thing he's so good at what he does and is recognised for it.

 

[Godfather32]

Believe or not games are not won solely by sporadic eye-catching performances. If you're Gary Ablett Jnr then those eye-catching performances aren't sporadic, but for other mere mortals they tend to be. I'm guessing you would be the type who'd join a cult; you seem to be looking for a saviour, a miracle worker, someone who can do the seemingly impossible (in the case of cults it is impossible, but they get you to believe anyway).

What is exceptional about Priddis is his consistent high level of performance, that's why he's recognised in various awards. Seems you are upset he isn't a high flying speedster who kicks 70 metre goals. If you are I have news for you, everybody wants one of those, they're extremely thin on the ground. In the meantime, while waiting for the messiah to arrive, there are games to play and the ball to be won. Not very glamorous at the base of the pack, but somebody has to go and get the pill. In that regard it's Priddis and daylight at the Eagles.

And these constant potshots at Priddis for picking up votes from all manner of sources is just plain tiresome, it's as though it's actually a bad thing he's so good at what he does and is recognised for it.

Yep, he consistently gets the ball...and then what happens?

 

[Pottering]

So your stance is that all of those people/votes/experts are correct? So you're saying that Priddis is the best player on our team?

This is where you and so many others get it ALL WRONG. It's not about who is "the best player", but who is the best performed!! That is the crucial difference you're oblivious of. He can't kick like Hurn, jump like Naitanui, run as quickly as Cripps, mark like Kennedy, but none of them (or any others) can match him for intensity at the contest, ball winning, tackling and durability. And no, I NEVER said that Priddis "is the best player in the team", that's merely you're crude attempt to suggest I have. I have consistently said he's our best hard ball winner, far and away our best in my opinion. And he does it week in, week out. Year in, year out.

And yes, I support the collective view of the football industry on Priddis, even withstanding a few dissenting squeals here.

 

[kranky al]

Compelling retort that

I was late for volleyball



Now you said:

Not sure about him being "not in our top players" either. His teammates and coaches have consistently put him in their top three, for example, when you look at the B&F votes and the nominations for the AFLPA MVP.

I tried to put you in a position where YOU rate him in our player list :

You responded with this

The one who'd get the most value at the trade table I suppose.

What an unlikely hypothetical. Our best ten players are suddenly all the same age, and for some reason we need to get rid of one of them?

All I'm doing it trying to make all things even - obviously as it stands you would get rid of Priddis purely because he's 30 going on 31 - he's the oldest

So let's try again : we have a strange alien time warp happening that has made all our players 25 and in the best form of their careers - vlad has decreed that as punishment for not being Victorian all interstate clubs have to lose a player out of a selection he chooses - for no picks in return

if you had to get rid of one of: shuey, eMac, nn, Bunga, lecras, gaff, Kennedy, McGovern, darling and Priddis :

Which one would you ditch?

 

[Pottering]

Yep, he consistently gets the ball...and then what happens?

There is no single answer to that, as you know. It's the single version of a false dichotomy.

 

[Godfather32]

This is where you and so many others get it ALL WRONG. It's not about who is "the best player", but who is the best performed!! That is the crucial difference you're oblivious of. He can't kick like Hurn, jump like Naitanui, run as quickly as Cripps, mark like Kennedy, but none of them (or any others) can match him for intensity at the contest, ball winning, tackling and durability. And no, I NEVER said that Priddis "is the best player in the team", that's merely you're crude attempt to suggest I have. I have consistently said he's our best hard ball winner, far and away our best in my opinion. And he does it week in, week out. Year in, year out.

And yes, I support the collective view of the football industry on Priddis, even withstanding a few dissenting squeals here.

But he's our only player that consistently gets Brownlow votes, coaches votes, player votes, best lists on AFL.com etc. If you put so much stock in these things and they all indicate that he's the best player on our team, then how can you not think he's the best player on our list?

 

[Godfather32]

There is no single answer to that, as you know. It's the single version of a false dichotomy.

No, the answer to that is that more often than not the ball doesn't go to our advantage, therefore negating the fact that Priddis has just won the ball. You keep dancing around the fact that Priddis has some of the most horrible disposal skills in the league.

 

[Smotie]

Believe or not games are not won solely by sporadic eye-catching performances. If you're Gary Ablett Jnr then those eye-catching performances aren't sporadic, but for other mere mortals they tend to be. I'm guessing you would be the type who'd join a cult; you seem to be looking for a saviour, a miracle worker, someone who can do the seemingly impossible (in the case of cults it is impossible, but they get you to believe anyway).

What is exceptional about Priddis is his consistent high level of performance, that's why he's recognised in various awards. Seems you are upset he isn't a high flying speedster who kicks 70 metre goals. If you are I have news for you, everybody wants one of those, they're extremely thin on the ground. In the meantime, while waiting for the messiah to arrive, there are games to play and the ball to be won. Not very glamorous at the base of the pack, but somebody has to go and get the pill. In that regard it's Priddis and daylight at the Eagles.

And these constant potshots at Priddis for picking up votes from all manner of sources is just plain tiresome, it's as though it's actually a bad thing he's so good at what he does and is recognised for it.

We have never had a lack for quality midfielders in our history. These eye catching performances were common place for us. It led to many finals appearances and three premierships.

You have lowered the bar in your expectations and so did our club. Our midfield was built around priddis to the detriment of our performances and success yet people like you defend him and put down the other midfielders in our team even though they have the potential to be quality midfielder.

All because priddis gets 30 shit disposals a game and votes because he accumulates 30 disposals.

Well done in contributing to the demise of our successful club with your acceptance of mediocrity.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I was late for volleyball



Now you said:




I tried to put you in a position where YOU rate him in our player list :

You responded with this



All I'm doing it trying to make all things even - obviously as it stands you would get rid of Priddis purely because he's 30 going on 31 - he's the oldest

So let's try again : we have a strange alien time warp happening that has made all our players 25 and in the best form of their careers - vlad has decreed that as punishment for not being Victorian all interstate clubs have to lose a player out of a selection he chooses - for no picks in return

I'm not responding to a ridiculous hypothetical that has no basis in reality.

And I don't know why my rating of where he stands in our 'best' players should have more bearing than where his teammates and coaches put him. They're in a far better position to judge than I am, I'm just some pleb watching on tv.

I think he's comfortably in our best 22. I've said before I'd like to see him used in more of a decoy/blocking role and have more creative players like Shuey and maybe Yeo become more of a focus for Naitanui's taps. I think that'd be something suited to his skill set.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

We have never had a lack for quality midfielders in our history. These eye catching performances were common place for us. It led to many finals appearances and three premierships.

You have lowered the bar in your expectations and so did our club. Our midfield was built around priddis to the detriment of our performances and success yet people like you defend him and put down the other midfielders in our team even though they have the potential to be quality midfielder.

All because priddis gets 30 shit disposals a game and votes because he accumulates 30 disposals.

Well done in contributing to the demise of our successful club with your acceptance of mediocrity.

So which Judd/Matera-like player have we missed out on because we've accepted mediocrity?

 

[kranky al]

I'm not responding to a ridiculous hypothetical that has no basis in reality.

And I don't know why my rating of where he stands in our 'best' players should have more bearing than where his teammates and coaches put him. They're in a far better position to judge than I am, I'm just some pleb watching on tv.

I think he's comfortably in our best 22. I've said before I'd like to see him used in more of a decoy/blocking role and have more creative players like Shuey and maybe Yeo become more of a focus for Naitanui's taps. I think that'd be something suited to his skill set.

Hypotheticals are part and parcel of big footy - I do hope I don't see you posting in any team of the century threads - (seeing as it's ridiculous that woosha could ever play with Nic Nat )

Don't want to see you in any who will we get from the Gold Coast / Dangerfield etc etc etc threads either

Best stay out of a few threads there fivesters.

Hypotheticals are what allow us to put nicnat in a team with gaj and pendles vs another team with Stephen Michael, Maurice Rioli and the krakouer brothers and then argue who would win.


Furthermore : As you have said yourself in many a thread - if we can only have an opinion after being a player or coach then you might as well shut big footy down - yet now you are hiding behind that exact scenario.


Just man up and say you don't want to answer the question

 

[Godfather32]

So which Judd/Matera-like player have we missed out on because we've accepted mediocrity?

Who knows, if we'd decided he was not the player for us we could have moved on and changed our whole recruiting strategy.

 

[kranky al]

So which Judd/Matera-like player have we missed out on because we've accepted mediocrity?

Who knows, if we'd decided he was not the player for us we could have moved on and changed our whole recruiting strategy.

Fyfe

Imagine that alternate universe where nicnat is tapping down to Fyfe who's shovelling it out to shuey.......

 

[kranky al]

Nicnat never got op in that universe - the vics are so pissed off as the Eagles juggernaut heads towards a four peat that they have changed the father son rules retrospectively so we lose waterman and paddy mcginnity has come good and won the Cameron ling award for excellence in the field of tagging and generally being a pita

 

[Godfather32]

Fyfe

Imagine that alternate universe where nicnat is tapping down to Fyfe who's shovelling it out to shuey.......

Don't worry Pottering and crew will be along soon to tell us that Priddis is better than Fyfe because he got more Brownlow votes last year

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Hypotheticals are part and parcel of big footy - I do hope I don't see you posting in any team of the century threads - (seeing as it's ridiculous that woosha could ever play with Nic Nat )

Don't want to see you in any who will we get from the Gold Coast / Dangerfield etc etc etc threads either

Best stay out of a few threads there fivesters.

Hypotheticals are what allow us to put nicnat in a team with gaj and pendles vs another team with Stephen Michael, Maurice Rioli and the krakouer brothers and then argue who would win.


Furthermore : As you have said yourself in many a thread - if we can only have an opinion after being a player or coach then you might as well shut big footy down - yet now you are hiding behind that exact scenario.


Just man up and say you don't want to answer the question

I don't want to answer your particular hypothetical because it's ridiculous.

If you're asking where I think he stands in our current 'best' players, I think he's probably top three with Kennedy and MacKenzie based on recent performances. But that depends on what you mean by 'best'. If you mean 'most skilled' he's probably towards the bottom of the list with McGinnity. If you mean 'where would he go in a fantasy draft' he'd be behind most if not all the guys you listed.

Happy?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Don't worry Pottering and crew will be along soon to tell us that Priddis is better than Fyfe because he got more Brownlow votes last year

Pretty sure Fyfe got more votes per game, didn't he?

 

[Godfather32]

Pretty sure Fyfe got more votes per game, didn't he?

Doesn't matter though, I've been told it's the best and FAIREST, Fyfe was not the fairest so he's not the best.

 

[kranky al]

I don't want to answer your particular hypothetical because it's ridiculous.

If you're asking where I think he stands in our current 'best' players, I think he's probably top three with Kennedy and MacKenzie based on recent performances. But that depends on what you mean by 'best'. If you mean 'most skilled' he's probably towards the bottom of the list with McGinnity. If you mean 'where would he go in a fantasy draft' he'd be behind most if not all the guys you listed.

Happy?

Not really - but when you place someone in a scenario where they are stuck between ridicule and perjury you get responses like that - so I guess it will have to do.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Not really - but when you place someone in a scenario where they are stuck between ridicule and perjury you get responses like that - so I guess it will have to do.

Well by what criteria are we judging who's "best"?