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The Warlord
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I don't think Ukraine made this move just for headlines. I think it's a legitimate strategic defense move that has the added bonus of embarrassing Putin
and increasing the level of angst amongst Russian citizens towards the conflict.
He's an absolute fukcwit. The mask is fully off now.
If they can hold it and hold supply lines its a great move.
A quick search reveals the company that own Metro owns the Daily Mail.View attachment 2077333
Putin made the Brits racist is just chef's kiss stuff. Truly Orwellian in that he literally predicted this in 1984.
Because it will take resources and energy from the Russians concentrating on the lines they want to control.Why?
What's the gain when they've had to pull units out of the Donbass where they were already losing to do it?
After the Belgorod incursion the Russians put their energy system one missile strike away from complete collapse.
What's the point of sitting in some fields just over the border when you're still losing in Donbass and your people are freezing in winter?
Only logical explanation to me is that its a Hail Mary hope to get more $$$ and weapons out of the West and then just keep hoping.
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Putin made the Brits racist is just chef's kiss stuff. Truly Orwellian in that he literally predicted this in 1984.
Its an article published in a paper owned by the people that own the Daily Mail. They're obviously trying to distract from their own role in the situation.The article/headline isn't saying that Putin "made" the Brits racist. It's literally saying that Russia is just capitalising on the unrest and stoking it further.
Not sure why you play dumb on this issue because you know deep down that it's factual. Denying it or downplaying it completely erodes that positions you take on Russia and Ukraine because it just becomes clear that you're incapable of being unbiased. You've become very, very stubborn on the topic of Russia to the detriment of the otherwise academic-esque opinions you usually try to utilise.
And when it comes to using propaganda to erode social cohesion, I don't pretend that it's unique to Russia either. The US does similar shit elsewhere (although in the last two or three decades it's fair to say the US does it a lot less overtly and a lot "softer", but they still do it and did it extensively from the 1940s-1980s).
YepHe's an absolute fukcwit. The mask is fully off now.
Because it will take resources and energy from the Russians concentrating on the lines they want to control.
If they can hold that city and move further into Russia then its more than a hail mary option. If they can't then they're probably screwed anyway whatever they do.
The article/headline isn't saying that Putin "made" the Brits racist. It's literally saying that Russia is just capitalising on the unrest and stoking it further.
Not sure why you play dumb on this issue because you know deep down that it's factual.
Denying it or downplaying it completely erodes that positions you take on Russia and Ukraine because it just becomes clear that you're incapable of being unbiased.
You've become very, very stubborn on the topic of Russia to the detriment of the otherwise academic-esque opinions you usually try to utilise.
And when it comes to using propaganda to erode social cohesion, I don't pretend that it's unique to Russia either.
The US does similar shit elsewhere (although in the last two or three decades it's fair to say the US does it a lot less overtly and a lot "softer", but they still do it and did it extensively from the 1940s-1980s).
Its an article published in a paper owned by the people that own the Daily Mail. They're obviously trying to distract from their own role in the situation.
If the Russians are trying to stoke this stuff their efforts are having a similar effect to a bit of humidity in Northern Sumatra after the 2004 tsunami.
If it gets them more resources when they were seriously running out then it porobably rates as a success.But if we look at it as an October 7 style raid that's never actually going to seize or occupy anything (Hamas weren't aiming to take Israeli land and hold it) but has pushed Ukraine back up the international agenda and garnered it huge attention, its a success.
Ukraine was falling down the priority chart before this, something Zelesnky was openly lamenting. Israel and the ME were getting everything - arms, money, attention.
By doing this Zelensky has firmly put the spotlight back on Ukraine and awakened the bloodlust of the US security state vampires like Lindsey Graham who has appeared in Kyiv on cue to demand more money and arms for Ukraine.
In that regard, the operation has been a striking success.
If it gets them more resources when they were seriously running out then it porobably rates as a success.
LIke those old rts games where you raid someone else to steal their resources. It can make the difference between winning and losing a game.
Yeah it comes down to this I reckon. Like that line in Peaky Blinders (never watched it but have a Brmmie mate who like me has Irish and Roma ancestry,) - Big ****s Small. (Obviously this changes in a 4GW/asymmetric conflict.)Yep, agreed, but the ratio of resources gained v those spent has to be very high, then you add in the opportunity cost of taking those resources away from elsewhere to gamble in Kursk.
The Ukrainians desperately need to break out of the attritional warfare stage of the conflict, but the West simply can't provide enough resources to do that, and the Ukrainians don't have enough experienced troops any more.
I understand the logic, but actively invading Russia like this ... especially heading towards a talismanic place like Kursk ... drives the conflict up another level, making harder to win again.
The Ukranians fight bravely and skilfully - albeit with immense advantages of US ISR support - but they're never going to beat a much bigger neighbour like this.
Its not Vietnam or Afghanistan where the US or Soviets will pack up and go home. For the Russians they're fighting on home turf too, they're defending Russia and Russian speakers.