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1934-1937 MORE HARD TIMES (Concluded)


1936

The club announced this year it would concentrate on getting new players from other clubs- VFL and VFA- and junior players, rather than looking to the country and interstate, possibly due to limited employment opportunities. Paddy Scanlon had been appointed coach once more. Quite a bit of experience was gone. Dwyer, Egan, Fitzmaurice, Gregory, J Lynch and Wells had all retired or gone to other clubs. Also pre-season the club would lose Lewis (Melbourne) and Llewellyn and Egan (Maryborough) Huggins, Jerram and Patterson were cleared to Williamstown in exchange for their ruckman Dellar and vice-captain Taylor. Taylor would manage only three matches and returned to Williamstown mid-year. Other new players to appear were David Burke (Tasmania), Horrie Farmer (Richmond), Bernie Guthrie (Collingwood) Ron McLeod (Second Eighteen), Herb Jones, Don Kemp and Bill Montgomery (all South Kensington) and Roy Sitch (Fawkner) James Bicknell, who had missed all last season also reappeared.

Many donations were received and promised. Newly elected vice-president, Eli Phillips, a racehorse breeder and hotel licensee, along with George Harrison, a racehorse trainer, collected a large sum and claimed they had been promised the support of several leading businesses. Phillips promised to donate £10.10 to the club if they won their opening match. There was the usual optimism and huge number of recruits training, many of whom never made the grade.

North lost their opening match to Essendon by 47 points. The following week they lost narrowly by six points to Geelong, only inaccuracy preventing them from winning. Some of the new players performed well. But promising Port Melbourne recruit Tom Brooker, who had his jaw broken in the Geelong match, would never play again. Four losses followed to Richmond, South Melbourne, Melbourne and St Kilda. Frank Crapper's nine goal haul in the St Kilda match was the best goal performance in a match by a North player up until then.

There was some joy in Round 7 when North had their first win. Trailing Footscray by 41 points at three quarter time, North scored 7.6 to 0.1 in the last quarter to win by six points, former Footscray player Findlay kicking the winning goal. It was the club's second win in 45 matches. But they did not have to wait so long for the next one, for the following week they put in another splendid last quarter to upset Carlton by 19 points. When the final scores were posted on the scoreboard at the MCG, Johnny Lewis, now playing for Melbourne, was overjoyed for his old team. About £60 was shared among the players and trainers from donations and incentives to win.

The next round North were brought back to earth with a heavy loss to Collingwood, but they bounced back in Round 10 to defeat Fitzroy in a game of two halves. North were goalless in the first half scoring only 0.5, whereas Fitzroy scored only 0.4 in the second half, resulting in a 35 point win to North. North had definitely improved this year. Their defenders Bicknell, Adamson, Ellis and Gaudion were solid and reliable. Their centre line was the best in the competition and they had targets on the forward line in Crapper, and Cassidy. But the wins were still few.

The day after the Fitzroy match, North lost a very good player in Jack Wrout. Originally recruited from West Melbourne CYMS in 1931, he had shown undoubted talent. He was a good centre-half-forward despite being relatively short for that position and could take a spectacular overhead mark. Possibly he was hungry for greater success and attracted the interest of several clubs. The club came to an agreement with South Melbourne for a player swap, but the South player concerned did not want to be traded. Carlton then entered the discussion and managed to secure Wrout. In exchange North took an untried ruckman who was playing in Carlton's Third Eighteen side. It appeared to be a lopsided deal, but Alan Crawford in time would develop into a fine dominant ruckman.

North lost their next three matches, but Round 14 saw them defeat Richmond for the first time since joining the VFL. Richmond were shocked to find that their three quarter time 17 point lead was not enough, and North stormed home to win by eight points. The following week, they pushed South Melbourne all the way to go down by one point after leading all day. The last three matches saw a big loss to Melbourne, a brave effort against St Kilda, going down by 11 points, and a 10 point loss to Footscray.

The club certainly deserved more that the four wins achieved. It now had some very good players. Besides the established and imported ones, first year players in Burke, Dellar, Kemp, McLeod, Montgomery, L. Smith and Sitch all showed promise. In September North played a match against Essendon at Hamilton and was soundly beaten. North had managed to reduce their debt, Paddy Scanlan was re-appointed coach, and all executives were returned unopposed at the annual meeting in December. It's prospects in 1937 looked bright.


1937

It was decided that North would not need too many recruits this season, so only around 60 players were invited to train instead of the usual 100. Besides Wrout, not much experience was lost from 1936. Players to debut for the club included Stewart Anderson (StKilda/Oakleigh), Syd Dyer, George Kennedy (both South Kensington), Harry Green (Pascoe Vale), Roy Lyons (North Melbourne CYMS), Michael McFarlane (Essendon), Eddie Morcom, Sel Murray (both West Melbourne), Colin Mitchell (Footscray) and Frank Penney (Ballarat). Ben Whittam, who had not played with the club since 1933 after being transferred to Darwin by the army, returned.

In February the club found out they would be without David Burke for some months. Burke, a gunner in the Australian army, was chosen to be part of the Australian militia contingent to travel to the UK for the Coronation of King George VI. He was the only footballer to have this honour and was given gifts and a send-off by the club. Several players looked impressive in practice matches and it was hoped that North were in for a more successful year.

The opening match against Hawthorn was lost by two points due to inaccurate kicking. North dominated in the ruck and across the centre but fell down on the forward line despite many chances. New player Morcom impressed. The selectors had surprised by omitting goal sneak Cassidy. The following week North evened matters when they defeated Fitzroy by two points. Round 3 saw them put up a brave performance against Collingwood. In the first half, at least seven of North's men were beating their opponents, but a 0.10 third quarter did not help, the club going down by 34 points. The match, however, was overshadowed by an incident at half-time. As the Collingwood players were walking off the ground to the players race, a section of the crowd were expressing displeasure at one of them. An action by Collingwood player A. Collier turned the attention of the crowd to him. Collier resented this and spat through the players race and got a young girl at the front of the crowd in the face. North Melbourne committeeman, W. Carroll, saw this and remonstrated with Collier as he walked past him. Collier turned and spat in Carroll's face. The young girl, it was reported, later received an apology from Collier, but Carroll reported the matter to the club, which in turn lodged a complaint to the VFL. Collier was later suspended "at the pleasure of the League" when he walked out of the hearing, meaning that Collingwood would have to apply to the League for him to play again. He was back for the return match against North in Round 14. North player Ted Ellis was reported and suspended for four weeks.

North's pace, accurate passing and position play gave them a two point win over Carlton in Round 4. In a sometimes spiteful match, Lyons was knocked out behind the play and a North defender was kicked in plain view of the crowd who roared their disapproval. But there were no reports. It would be the last game for captain Charles Gaudion, a bad leg injury forcing his eventual retirement from football.

Over the next few weeks, North would suffer from injuries to several players. Besides Gaudion four other players were injured in the Carlton match. In the Round 5 match against Footscray, Lyons' replacement, Frank Crapper, who had just come down from Bendigo and not trained with the club, kicked eight of North's 14 goals in a 43 point loss. New captain Adamson led well by example. Another player, Len Smith, was injured and would not appear again. Cassidy was cleared to Ringwood East and Guthrie went to coach Yarram. Against St Kilda in Round 6, three players - Dyer, Stubbs and Penney - made their debut. Crapper was injured in the first quarter which weakened North's forward line and this, together with inexperience, contributed to the 17 point loss. Crapper's injury kept him out for the rest of the season. The following week against Melbourne, former St Kilda player Stewart Anderson made his debut. Lyons also returned, but sustained a leg injury and it would be his last match for the season. North lost by 122 points, once again partly due to a disorganised forward line.

For the King's Birthday holiday Round 8 match against South Melbourne, Ellis returned from suspension and former Essendon player Mick McFarlane made his debut. After North dominated the first quarter for little return, South controlled the game to win by 44 points. North questioned the eligibility of South forward Evans, who had kicked six goals. He had played a match for Naval Depot in the Mornington Peninsula League without a clearance or League permit. Many players played for country teams or mid-week leagues such as the Police or Fire Brigade teams, but required a clearance from their club as well as a permit from the VFL. North could have been awarded the match if Evans was found guilty, but the protest was dismissed.

The Round 9 match against Richmond saw an 11 point win for North. With Cordner and Skinner back in the side and McLeod (a last minute inclusion) and Stubbs playing superbly, North overcame Richmond's rough house tactics and came home strongly in the last quarter. The following week North fielded a strong team to take on Geelong but were overwhelmed by 86 points, the forward line disappointing once again. Round 11 saw the club do better against Essendon, losing by 11 points, Essendon's inaccuracy keeping the game close. Players like Ellis, Carter, Morcom, Bicknell and Adamson were playing consistently well. Findlay suffered a broken collarbone which ended his season. Mitchell injured his shoulder and would miss three weeks. Tyrell was reported, but the tribunal hearing was delayed for a week due to illness. He was suspended for six weeks after Round 12, also ending his season.

Dave Burke returned from his Coronation duties in the UK and was named in the side to play Hawthorn. In a low standard game, North went down by 18 points. The small bored crowd at Glenferrie whiled away the time either "booing" the umpire or abusing the two North wingers, who played extremely well. McLeod and Stubbs showed that they were future stars. The lack of a dominant forward was being felt, although Stewart Anderson was doing well as a fill-in. The following week North faced Fitzroy. Their ruckman Dellar returned to the side but Ellis was out injured. Crapper was named in the team but was a last minute withdrawal being replaced by Crawford. But the forward line again was a weakness, only five goals being scored, and one good quarter by Fitzroy (the third) was enough to give them a 21 point win. Then in Round 14 the club received a 113 point thrashing from Collingwood and a host of injuries. Burke, who was playing well, had his brief season ended when he wrenched his knee. Bicknell suffered a fractured rib, Carter a split chin, McLeod a back injury and Crawford an injured thigh. Ruckman Dellar had many boot stop marks on his back besides a bruised hip. Sel Murray made his debut in this game as nineteenth man.

Of the injured players, only Burke and Bicknell could not be selected for the next match against Carlton. It would be Bicknell's first time not playing this season. Stewart Anderson came back into the team and lined up at full-back for the first time. He was best on the ground as he eclipsed former Northerner Jack Wrout. North put up a brave performance to go down by 21 points. Again it was the forward line that let the team down, North having only one less scoring shot than Carlton. The following week North went down to Footscray by 27 points. Sel Murray, after coming on as 19th man against Carlton the previous week, lined up at full forward and kicked five of North's eight goals against Footscray. Charles Skinner, who had been dropped for the Carlton match, failed to attend and play for the Second Eighteen against Footscray and was suspended at the pleasure of the committee. The final two matches resulted in an 80 point loss to St Kilda and a 39 point loss to Melbourne. Murray kicked three goals in each.

It was another disappointing season with only three wins and last on the ladder. It was the worst season for injuries to players and had taken its toll on and off the field - it cost the club £300. However, several good players were unearthed which boded well for the future. The club improved their financial situation and reduced their overdraft by £100 and their League loan by £80. For the next two years, with a new President and coach, the club improved marginally until the war took a hand in 1939, interrupting or ending the careers of some and disrupting the game generally.
 
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I didn't know this, but there was some talk of North Melbourne being admitted into the VFL in 1914 after the demise of University.

From the Australian Football History website.

The demise of University in the VFL

UNIVERSITY WITHDRAWS – MEN TO JOIN MELBOURNE CLUB
(By "KICKERO.")
For years the University- football team has performed indifferently in the field and it has been admitted at last that the position is untenable. The decision has been arrived at that the club shall withdraw from the League, and this will he communicated to the League at its next meeting. The position was placed before the players recently, and they were asked if they would he prepared to join forces with the Melbourne Club. They agreed, and last night a conference was held between representatives of tho University and Melbourne Clubs.

The whole matter was discussed, and a satisfactory agreement made. The question now arises us to whether the North Melbourne Club will be taken into the league. Some time ago Alderman A. Crichton gave notice of his intention to move that they be invited to become a League team.

Some of the delegates, however, are not favorably disposed to consider the proposal, and prefer to carry on the League with nine clubs. This they hold will enable them to further the policy of improving the game in the country districts, as the team which will not be engaged in a premiership match in Melbourne would he sent into the country towns to play against local combinations.

FOOTBALL GOSSIP
BY AMATEUR.
The decision of the University club to withdraw from the League is not unexpected, as, for the last two seasons rumors of the impending retirement have been continuously circulated. It is understood that the authorities of the Alma Mater have a strong distaste to the Students participating in a professional game, which is only natural, for the University in other parts of the world is looked upon as the genesis of amateur sport.

This is one of the reasons why the University club has never bean permitted to play League matches on its own oval, and, consequently, has had to seek a foreign ground. The Students opened their League career on the East Melbourne ground, but after being domiciled there for two or three seasons, they shifted their headquarters to the Melbourne ground.

After doing fairly well at Jolimont, they have failed completely to show any class on the field on the Melbourne ground, and on their recent form cannot be said to be fit for League company from a playing point of view. Personally, one is disappointed at the defection, for the influence of a big University should be wholesome and beneficial to any form of sport.

Both in cricket and football our Alma Mater has never achieved its rightful place, and in spite of a big sports union only a flagging interest is taken in these major games. The Sydney University Football and Cricket Clubs are live institutions, possessing one of the finest grounds in the Queen City, and take a leading part both in the administration and practical work of football and cricket. Wake up, Melbourne!

The League has arrived at no decision as to filling the vacancy, but already one hears of many willing and eager candidates for the position. A rumor is current that the League will not include another club, but the team having the bye will play in the provinces. But a country 'gate' cannot compare with a metropolitan one, and in a professional game the monetary aspect looms large.

The Association premiers, North Melbourne seem to have the biggest claim to inclusion, both on their recent record and the fine and conveniently-situated ground possessed by them, which is easily the pick of the Association grounds.
 
OK... I posted this elsewhere, but now it's free for all.

Is there anybody out there who wants about 40 copies of the AFL Record magazine from North matches in the late 90s?

I'm in Frankston so they can be picked up from my place or if necessary, I could hand over the goods in a plain brown wrapper at a match.
 

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I didn't know this, but there was some talk of North Melbourne being admitted into the VFL in 1914 after the demise of University.

From the Australian Football History website.

The demise of University in the VFL

UNIVERSITY WITHDRAWS – MEN TO JOIN MELBOURNE CLUB
(By "KICKERO.")
For years the University- football team has performed indifferently in the field and it has been admitted at last that the position is untenable. The decision has been arrived at that the club shall withdraw from the League, and this will he communicated to the League at its next meeting. The position was placed before the players recently, and they were asked if they would he prepared to join forces with the Melbourne Club. They agreed, and last night a conference was held between representatives of tho University and Melbourne Clubs.

The whole matter was discussed, and a satisfactory agreement made. The question now arises us to whether the North Melbourne Club will be taken into the league. Some time ago Alderman A. Crichton gave notice of his intention to move that they be invited to become a League team.

Some of the delegates, however, are not favorably disposed to consider the proposal, and prefer to carry on the League with nine clubs. This they hold will enable them to further the policy of improving the game in the country districts, as the team which will not be engaged in a premiership match in Melbourne would he sent into the country towns to play against local combinations.

FOOTBALL GOSSIP
BY AMATEUR.
The decision of the University club to withdraw from the League is not unexpected, as, for the last two seasons rumors of the impending retirement have been continuously circulated. It is understood that the authorities of the Alma Mater have a strong distaste to the Students participating in a professional game, which is only natural, for the University in other parts of the world is looked upon as the genesis of amateur sport.

This is one of the reasons why the University club has never bean permitted to play League matches on its own oval, and, consequently, has had to seek a foreign ground. The Students opened their League career on the East Melbourne ground, but after being domiciled there for two or three seasons, they shifted their headquarters to the Melbourne ground.

After doing fairly well at Jolimont, they have failed completely to show any class on the field on the Melbourne ground, and on their recent form cannot be said to be fit for League company from a playing point of view. Personally, one is disappointed at the defection, for the influence of a big University should be wholesome and beneficial to any form of sport.

Both in cricket and football our Alma Mater has never achieved its rightful place, and in spite of a big sports union only a flagging interest is taken in these major games. The Sydney University Football and Cricket Clubs are live institutions, possessing one of the finest grounds in the Queen City, and take a leading part both in the administration and practical work of football and cricket. Wake up, Melbourne!

The League has arrived at no decision as to filling the vacancy, but already one hears of many willing and eager candidates for the position. A rumor is current that the League will not include another club, but the team having the bye will play in the provinces. But a country 'gate' cannot compare with a metropolitan one, and in a professional game the monetary aspect looms large.

The Association premiers, North Melbourne seem to have the biggest claim to inclusion, both on their recent record and the fine and conveniently-situated ground possessed by them, which is easily the pick of the Association grounds.


Here is a similar article from The Australasian 9 Sept 1914. The final paragraph gives a clue as to why it didn't happen.


09 19 (Aust) A vacancy in VFL.JPG
 
Here is a similar article from The Australasian 9 Sept 1914. The final paragraph gives a clue as to why it didn't happen.


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Not an enjoyable read. IIRC correctly, we had to give up most, if not all of our recruitment area to Essendon (and maybe Carlton) when joining the VFL and it is the biggest reason we failed to be competitive on field in the early decades, struggled to build the club off the field and lost a lot of our supporter base. And we have been battling to stay afloat ever since.
 
Not an enjoyable read. IIRC correctly, we had to give up most, if not all of our recruitment area to Essendon (and maybe Carlton) when joining the VFL and it is the biggest reason we failed to be competitive on field in the early decades, struggled to build the club off the field and lost a lot of our supporter base. And we have been battling to stay afloat ever since.
And they wonder why we have such hatred.....
 
I was doing a bit of a clean up the other day and came across some of my old man's footy stuff. I had only ever seen the 2nd letter before so it was a pleasant surprise to find the other two. The language is very much from a different time in footy and I liked the acknowledgement of the VFA days which is sadly ignored by most AFL clubs these days. Maybe not super relevant to this thread but I thought people might be interested in a bit of a time capsule find of footy days gone by.




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My old man has a similar letter from North around the same year GF, and he was from West Brunswick and playing for Brunswick. They probably knew each other.
It’s certainly a pretty small world at times. The old man was from the country and only lived in West Brunswick for a year or so but my Mum grew up in a house on Dawson St in West Brunswick. It was a pretty handy recruiting area for the club with Dench, Schimma and Greig etc.
 
It’s certainly a pretty small world at times. The old man was from the country and only lived in West Brunswick for a year or so but my Mum grew up in a house on Dawson St in West Brunswick. It was a pretty handy recruiting area for the club with Dench, Schimma and Greig etc.

Well mine was on the corner of Dawson and South Daly St so they were practically neighbours.
 
Well mine was on the corner of Dawson and South Daly St so they were practically neighbours.
They were at 131 Dawson St until the early ‘60s, that’s about two house away I’m guessing. Unfortunately they were all * supporters until the old man converted my Mum and a terrible fate was avoided 😁
 
They were at 131 Dawson St until the early ‘60s, that’s about two house away I’m guessing. Unfortunately they were all * supporters until the old man converted my Mum and a terrible fate was avoided 😁

Mine was at 135 Dawson St so 100% they’d have known each other. PM me your dad’s name and I’ll check with mine later today.
 

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I'm going to update this thread as I come across things. Perhaps the mods could consider a sticky and I invite others to add contributions.

This article deals with the historic re-naming of the club back to North Melbourne back in 1888.

I have also stumbled across evidence of North back to back reserves premiership sides in 1886-1887.

There's also good info on our first Tassie involvement in 1887.



110 goals to 106 goals. There must have been a few close losses. 1887 seems very similiar to 2011.



1887 Tassie Trip.



The North team ethic was on display 124 years ago.:thumbsu:



Mr Sutcliffe, whoever you are, god bless you.



"Houston" appears to be our first recorded B&F winner.




Back to back Hotham flags.:thumbsu:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/66149178?searchTerm=North Melbourne Football Club &searchLimits=
Thanks for posting this great thread. Not sure who may be interested in our family history with North. My name is John Guest and our family record showbthis Mr Guest is my great uncle.

We know him as Will Guest and our family records show further North (Hotham FC) listed him in thier annual reports as Mr W.L Guest (Club Treasurer 1884), Mr. Guest as second Twenty Team Secretary (reserve coach 1886, 1887 and 1888) (back to back 1886 & 1887) ( perhaps North's first flags).

Will played from 1886 to 1885. His younger of two brothers, Archie Guest, played a year or so before shifting to Williamstown with two other Hotham players.

Will went on to be a goal umpire in the VFA for at least the 1889 and 1890 seasons. Will's middle brother, Jack Guest (Mr. J. H. Guest., born John " Jack" Henry Guest]) was the NM/Hotham Cricket Club secretary in 1882/3 season (VCA) (Amalgamation year with the footy club).

Their father, John K Guest, a Templemore, Tipperary man, played for Templemore FC 1846-1857. After he migrated he started playing scratch matches at Royal Park about 1860 which was Hotham football club's intra-club competition. They, North, were the first of the early established clubs to pick up teams to use 16. This was tied to the Irish football heritage in Tipperary of picking 16 players aside to play the military barrack teams in a modified Irish football game.

The Guests along with the Butt and Bunckle families and others attended St Mary's Anglican School.
 
Thanks for posting this great thread. Not sure who may be interested in our family history with North. My name is John Guest and our family record showbthis Mr Guest is my great uncle.

We know him as Will Guest and our family records show further North (Hotham FC) listed him in thier annual reports as Mr W.L Guest (Club Treasurer 1884), Mr. Guest as second Twenty Team Secretary (reserve coach 1886, 1887 and 1888) (back to back 1886 & 1887) ( perhaps North's first flags).

Will played from 1886 to 1885. His younger of two brothers, Archie Guest, played a year or so before shifting to Williamstown with two other Hotham players.

Will went on to be a goal umpire in the VFA for at least the 1889 and 1890 seasons. Will's middle brother, Jack Guest (Mr. J. H. Guest., born John " Jack" Henry Guest]) was the NM/Hotham Cricket Club secretary in 1882/3 season (VCA) (Amalgamation year with the footy club).

Their father, John K Guest, a Templemore, Tipperary man, played for Templemore FC 1846-1857. After he migrated he started playing scratch matches at Royal Park about 1860 which was Hotham football club's intra-club competition. They, North, were the first of the early established clubs to pick up teams to use 16. This was tied to the Irish football heritage in Tipperary of picking 16 players aside to play the military barrack teams in a modified Irish football game.

The Guests along with the Butt and Bunckle families and others attended St Mary's Anglican School.


Buncle st. Nth.Melbourne ?
 

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