Preview The No Changes Thread: Crows v Saints, Sun May 14th, 12:40pm

[rocket18]

I can't help but think of Pyke's first game in charge when he had to pick between VB or Hartigan and picked VB which meant we went small down back with Talia, Lever and Cheney when North had Jarred Waite, Drew Petrie and Ben Brown. We lost by 10, all 3 of those guys kicked multiple goals and Pyke learnt his lesson and never did it again.

This is my issue with Nicks and why I don't think he is going to make it as a coach.

All coaches make mistakes, the good ones learn from them.

We have seen Nicks in his fourth season still making the same mistakes:

• sub use - wrong player selected/wrong player subbed out.
• selection - as mentioned this fascination of not valuing KPD, over reliance on out of form senior players, not resting injured/fatigued players.
• player roles - putting the wrong player in a position
• gameplan - pushing a forward up to the ball, leaving us out numbered in our forward line then bombing in long. A decent defense will not allow our KPF to make the contest with their spare man.

 

[jackster83]

Who are we predicting for sub lotto this week?

Rachele?

Maybe Himmelberg for the lulz?

 

[UcantCme]

Honestly so much bed wetting that goes in in this thread

People here always want to play 2-3 KPD however very few teams do this on a weekly basis

Just have to look at Geelong, they have one genuine KPD, the rest of their defence are the Doedee and Max type that can play tall or small…..

So much defensive work is relied on winning the midfield, and preventing easy forward 50 eateries

Let’s also look at our oppo

They won’t line up with 2-3 KPF, Rowan Marshal won’t play, and Owens and Membrey are not genuine KPF….. We do not need to go in overalls tall

The game is changing, people need to change with it




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[DJ75]

Who are we predicting for sub lotto this week?

Rachele?

Maybe Himmelberg for the lulz?

It should be Ned, but who the hell knows with our coaches.

 

[hippyhippy]

This is my issue with Nicks and why I don't think he is going to make it as a coach.

All coaches make mistakes, the good ones learn from them.

We have seen Nicks in his fourth season still making the same mistakes:

• sub use - wrong player selected/wrong player subbed out.
• selection - as mentioned this fascination of not valuing KPD, over reliance on out of form senior players, not resting injured/fatigued players.
• player roles - putting the wrong player in a position
• gameplan - pushing a forward up to the ball, leaving us out numbered in our forward line then bombing in long. A decent defense will not allow our KPF to make the contest with their spare man.

Even with our u improvement this year... nicks will not bring a premiership... he is just not a gameday coach... has never ever made game winning moves ... he's no blight ... I hope I'm wrong but there's absolutely been no evidence he can make game changing moves

 

[rocket18]

Even with our u improvement this year... nicks will not bring a premiership... he is just not a gameday coach... has never ever made game winning moves ... he's no blight ... I hope I'm wrong but there's absolutely been no evidence he can make game changing moves

But even this "improvement" is questionable.

Some one put up a list of our changes for the Geelong game compared to the team that played Geelong last season.

Think we had 8 different players, 7 of them were better then the players they replaced.

Due to the change of personal we had to improve - regardless of who is sitting in the box.

One of us from BF could be calling the shots and purely with the change of players we would be performing better than last season + another 10-20 games of experience for the younger lads.

 

[Pugsley]

Even with our u improvement this year... nicks will not bring a premiership... he is just not a gameday coach... has never ever made game winning moves ... he's no blight ... I hope I'm wrong but there's absolutely been no evidence he can make game changing moves

I don't think there will ever be another Blight. Players are snowflakes these days.

 

[Bearded Clam]

I think our inside 50 pressure has been lacking, some are underestimating what McAdam brought up forward.

Which preseason game was it that we were frantic at keeping the ball in there? Seems to have disappeared.

I thought thats what murphy and keays are there for?…

Thats what their cheer squad in here tell us anyways..

They even claim keays is a “tagger”.. there to lock down the oppositions best HB and stop their run and play out of our forward 50..

Or is that just another furfy?

 

[Bearded Clam]

Honestly so much bed wetting that goes in in this thread

People here always want to play 2-3 KPD however very few teams do this on a weekly basis

Just have to look at Geelong, they have one genuine KPD, the rest of their defence are the Doedee and Max type that can play tall or small…..

So much defensive work is relied on winning the midfield, and preventing easy forward 50 eateries

Let’s also look at our oppo

They won’t line up with 2-3 KPF, Rowan Marshal won’t play, and Owens and Membrey are not genuine KPF….. We do not need to go in overalls tall

The game is changing, people need to change with it




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Wow…
Yeah…. Cause going in with just the 1 KPD has worked so well for us in the last year or so.

Who gives a flying fxxk if it works for other clubs like Geelong..

Like we are anywhere near comparable to Geelong over the last year or so!

 

[BACCS]

I’ll put a disclaimer first that I believe we should have picked another tall defender this week…

However, in the game against the Saints last year, we lost that because of poor kicking for goal, not because of going short down back. Kick straight early in that game and we win by 3-4 goals. We didn’t kick straight, Saints get some momentum and can’t miss and the game is lost there. I think King kicked 6 straight from single digit disposals? Weren’t all from easy positions either and normally he isn’t kicking that straight. I doubt Caminiti is posing that same threat.

As our wins have shown this year, kick straight early and take our chances and I doubt we are losing. Collingwood were very good defensively against us (as we were too), but we still managed well over 20 scoring shots. We do not struggle generating a lot of scoring opportunities against even the best defenses like the Saints, it’s about making the most of those chances.

Without King, the Saints smalls like Higgins, Butler and Gresham are their main scoring options, along with the slightly taller Owens. Lock down on them and it goes a long way to winning.

 

[MsTopG]

Fair question, which applies to any Head Coach, really.
If he has, it'll be reflected in our results. Bad results will get Nicks sacked.

I tend to agree (with 1970crow) that Nicks' selections are fear-based.
Not so much fear of losses but of big losses which will make his position untenable.

My fear is that he will cost us players to other clubs. My other fear is that if we lose any players from the "chosen" 22-24 to another club, let's use Doedee as an example that we haven't been giving games to the player that is taking his role. I agree that team last week was designed to minimise the loss result and we would have been better off resting a few players and having them fresh for St Kilda. Our strategy seems to be making sure that Nick's gets another contract above all else. I don't think a coupe of games won is the difference in whether we have a coach that can coach or not.

 

[Betts are off]

Just read that St.Kilda are holding teams to less then 10 goals per game this season. The 2nd best is Collingwood, and Geelong played one of the best defensive games I've seen in a long time last week.

Regardless if wins and losses, I hope the boys are taking a lot of learnings out of these tough defensive games.

 

[Golumless]

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What if he's picked the wrong 22-24? What's the point in having a squad of 46? Surely Nicks isn't so arrogant to believe that his 22-24 isn't fluid and can't change as players come in and out of form. What about injuries? At what threshold does the injury need to be before a player isn't played. Is it 90% or 80% or 70% fitness? If this is his strategy then good luck trying to keep players not in the "chosen" group from looking at possibilities elsewhere. Why are we acting like a premiership contender with a team that's made up of players with 150 games experience and have already won a couple of flags in the last 3 years.

Then he's picked the wrong 22-24 and every coach has an example of someone they underrated for too long. Generally, the better a side is, the more static their best 22 is, with only the absolutely terrible (or injured to hell and back) are fluid. If we were at a point where we are 3-4 years into a rebuild, and didn't have a solid idea of what our best 22 looked like, that's a red flag this rebuild is a failure.

For what is the point in having 43 players? Injury cover/depth for when you need it, spots for kids who you are developing and a small smattering of players who you're just waiting out their contracts so you can cycle new players onto the list.

 

[cleanhands]

Wow…
Yeah…. Cause going in with just the 1 KPD has worked so well for us in the last year or so.

Who gives a flying fxxk if it works for other clubs like Geelong..

Like we are anywhere near comparable to Geelong over the last year or so!

Good coaches break ice and don’t follow like sheep, Nicks isn’t one to be able to break ice

 

[rabidcrow]

it's not arrogance, it's fear.

fear? Cmon I know you would agree with the below statement

Nicks job - rightly or wrongly - is under zero threat. Absolute zero

So he doesn’t have to pick a side because he fears losing his job

Perhaps he is trying to get 22-24 players to have played 30-40 games together as quickly as he can and then filter others in

All premiership teams talk about the connection of playing a lot of games together and knowing what the other guys are likely to do in a given situation. Particularly defence.

Only a guess and may be the wrong strategy or I may be completely off the mark

But it’s not fear




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[Golumless]

My fear is that he will cost us players to other clubs. My other fear is that if we lose any players from the "chosen" 22-24 to another club, let's use Doedee as an example that we haven't been giving games to the player that is taking his role. I agree that team last week was designed to minimise the loss result and we would have been better off resting a few players and having them fresh for St Kilda. Our strategy seems to be making sure that Nick's gets another contract above all else. I don't think a coupe of games won is the difference in whether we have a coach that can coach or not.

Losing kids who are caught between worlds is ironically a sign that your rebuild is going well. You've drafted and developed well enough that the kids who can't crack your lineup are becoming best 22 players in other list situations.

The thing with even a static best 22 is change still happens. Retirements, injuries, trading in new players, trade outs, a draftee booming, a player game just falling apart. There are only a handful of players on even the best teams who are irreplaceable. For most though, it's just about crossing that bridge when you get there and most you won't miss that much. Take the Doedee example, it's just a shrug of the shoulders if he goes.

Remember. A coach is there to win with the tools he has. A GM/list manager is there for the long term planning.

 

[George Kramer]

Honestly so much bed wetting that goes in in this thread

People here always want to play 2-3 KPD however very few teams do this on a weekly basis

Just have to look at Geelong, they have one genuine KPD, the rest of their defence are the Doedee and Max type that can play tall or small…..

So much defensive work is relied on winning the midfield, and preventing easy forward 50 eateries

Let’s also look at our oppo

They won’t line up with 2-3 KPF, Rowan Marshal won’t play, and Owens and Membrey are not genuine KPF….. We do not need to go in overalls tall

The game is changing, people need to change with it




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The issue is when trying to belittle others and portray coolness at the same time is youd want to be sure of your facts and not rely on bullshit to make your point.

Please find one post that suggests we play 3 KPD. 2, sure because we’ve seen what happens when we play one, just think back to the Richmond game and the numerous where Doedee has played as our 2nd KPD.

As for changing, you’re still sprouting the same shit even with a change of username

 

[George Kramer]

I’ll put a disclaimer first that I believe we should have picked another tall defender this week…

However, in the game against the Saints last year, we lost that because of poor kicking for goal, not because of going short down back. Kick straight early in that game and we win by 3-4 goals. We didn’t kick straight, Saints get some momentum and can’t miss and the game is lost there. I think King kicked 6 straight from single digit disposals? Weren’t all from easy positions either and normally he isn’t kicking that straight. I doubt Caminiti is posing that same threat.

As our wins have shown this year, kick straight early and take our chances and I doubt we are losing. Collingwood were very good defensively against us (as we were too), but we still managed well over 20 scoring shots. We do not struggle generating a lot of scoring opportunities against even the best defenses like the Saints, it’s about making the most of those chances.

Without King, the Saints smalls like Higgins, Butler and Gresham are their main scoring options, along with the slightly taller Owens. Lock down on them and it goes a long way to winning.

And there he goes again. Feigning criticism with a but

 

[Bearded Clam]

I’ll put a disclaimer first that I believe we should have picked another tall defender this week…

However, in the game against the Saints last year, we lost that because of poor kicking for goal, not because of going short down back. Kick straight early in that game and we win by 3-4 goals. We didn’t kick straight, Saints get some momentum and can’t miss and the game is lost there. I think King kicked 6 straight from single digit disposals? Weren’t all from easy positions either and normally he isn’t kicking that straight. I doubt Caminiti is posing that same threat.

As our wins have shown this year, kick straight early and take our chances and I doubt we are losing. Collingwood were very good defensively against us (as we were too), but we still managed well over 20 scoring shots. We do not struggle generating a lot of scoring opportunities against even the best defenses like the Saints, it’s about making the most of those chances.

Without King, the Saints smalls like Higgins, Butler and Gresham are their main scoring options, along with the slightly taller Owens. Lock down on them and it goes a long way to winning.

We lose far too many centre bounce clearances to not go with two KPD’s..

With the 666 rules you cannot have a spare man back at the centre bounce.. its 1v1 everywhere.

Loose the clearance at the centre bounce and your defense is immediately under pressure.

Have a miss match in that defense (i.e a 187cm tom doedee on a 195-200cm opposition KPF) and that pressure is even greater as your other defenders have to leave their man to help back up doedee.

Teams that have far better midfields, and lose far less CB clearances can possibly go the 1 KPD and not get punished for it.

Thats not us.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Nicks will panic this week. Sloane, Laird, Crouch centre lineup coming up.

 

[rabidcrow]

Milera, sholl, keays, crouch.. all four of them were sh*t last week..

Just fxxkn terrible.

How not even one of them has been dropped is a real worry..

Three of them are senior players.. the other has a few years under his belt now..

Nothings changed.

The “pick the seniors at all cost no matter the form” is still at the top of the list of selection policies and must be adhered to.

This club will never succeed again until the conservative fruitcakes running it are shown the door.

Isn’t the whole coaching panel different to Pyke, Sando and Craig?
So is Roo pushing the “must pick experience” agenda ?


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[rabidcrow]

Worrell needs another game or two in ressies. He looks to be gaining confidence in his hammy but his touch is not quite there. If he can get through this week or next I am sure he will be in best 22

Parnell is excellent addition. He deserves his spot from form in pre season and in twos in last few weeks. Provides run and dare and good ball use and is different to other players in defence can play on Higgins Gresham and butler and other smalls

My biggest concern is the talls tex fog and filthy all got out marked and out played last week. They could not make every high ball a contest so our smalls Rachele Rankine Pedlar and Murphy could get crumbs they must be more competitive this week

Big week for sholl. Is he going to fade out like he has in past seasons after 5
Or so games at start of year or can he put in a really important performance and turn around last weeks form where he looked meek in defensive action

Shiphole of oval. Don’t even count it as a game




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[cleanhands]

One for our posters………………… as someone who had coached for some years, I used to say to my assistants if you think like me one of us is not needed, you want people around you to challenge your thinking, has Nicks got them?

 

[Bearded Clam]

Isn’t the whole coaching panel different to Pyke, Sando and Craig?
So is Roo pushing the “must pick experience” agenda ?


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I’ve said this in the past and gotten shot down.. with people claiming Roo has no say and does little more than chill in the background..

I think the opposite.. i reckon Roo is balls deep in everything and, given our “seniors first” selection policy didnt change after the big clean out that got rid of the guys you listed, has a massive say in selection week to week..

 

[Pugsley]

And there he goes again. Feigning criticism with a but

I am grateful that I don't read anything from that apologist.