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Back One Out said:
I was talking about the +1 advantage of 11 games with home ground advantage vs 10 away games

If you're talking about the number of traveling games throughout the season, getting on plane, sleeping in a hotel bed, etc, then the Crows are the same as most other clubs. When people bang on about clubs playing 17 MCG games, they are focused on the Richmond's and the Collingwood's.. Those big molly-coddled Vic clubs are the exception.

The Hawks travelled 10 times this year... the same as Adelaide.

I don't understand why people are always moaning about this stuff. This is the AFL. It is what it is. Why does everyone continually moan about it?

Don't get me wrong... I totally get people being pissed off about bad umpiring and decisions which don't go your way. You guys suffered a cruel blow last weekend. I would also be livid and wanna burn down the AFL headquarters. Maybe this is the wrong time & place for me to be posting here. You guys need to vent and find some outlet for your anger. I get it. A goal umpiring error has cost you a place in the finals. It's sh*t. I feel your pain. There's no lulz from me.

But why do some people always think it's their club who is being deliberately victimised? I mean, the people who constantly whine about the umpires and think it's an AFL conspiracy against their club. A vendetta by Victorians to stitch you up.

Follow the sport and enjoy the game... Or maybe find another hobby if it brings you no happiness.. If following the AFL is just never-ending source of complaints about how unfair everything it is, then why bother?


The Grand Final at the MCG is the perfect example... That's where the game is played. Always has been. That is not changing. Locked in for the next 50 years. Sure, that's an advantage for some Vic clubs, in terms of travel and ground familiarity, but it isn't a home game. I would LOVE to see every Hawthorn member get a GF ticket, but we don't. Competing clubs get the same number of tickets. The crowd roars for both teams on Grand Final day. It's not a 100% partisan crowd like finals played in Adelaide, Perth, Sydney or Brisbane.

The Crows, Eagles and Swans have a more advantageous path to the Grand Final when they finish 1st or 2nd and play home finals in Week 1 and home Prelim Finals with the entire stadium rocking. That's a massive home ground advantage for them. Nothing like that at the G. Compare that to Hawthorn or Richmond finishing on top of the ladder and playing finals versus 4th-placed Collingwood, Melbourne or Geelong where they get no advantage at all.
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Back One Out said:
I was talking about the +1 advantage of 11 games with home ground advantage vs 10 away games

If you're talking about the number of traveling games throughout the season, getting on plane, sleeping in a hotel bed, etc, then the Crows are the same as most other clubs. When people bang on about clubs playing 17 MCG games, they are focused on the Richmond's and the Collingwood's.. Those big molly-coddled Vic clubs are the exception.

The Hawks travelled 10 times this year... the same as Adelaide.

I don't understand why people are always moaning about this stuff. This is the AFL. It is what it is. Why does everyone continually moan about it?

Don't get me wrong... I totally get people being pissed off about bad umpiring and decisions which don't go your way. You guys suffered a cruel blow last weekend. I would also be livid and wanna burn down the AFL headquarters. Maybe this is the wrong time & place for me to be posting here. You guys need to vent and find some outlet for your anger. I get it. A goal umpiring error has cost you a place in the finals. It's sh*t. I feel your pain. There's no lulz from me.

But why do some people always think it's their club who is being deliberately victimised? I mean, the people who constantly whine about the umpires and think it's an AFL conspiracy against their club. A vendetta by Victorians to stitch you up.

Follow the sport and enjoy the game... Or maybe find another hobby if it brings you no happiness.. If following the AFL is just never-ending source of complaints about how unfair everything it is, then why bother?


The Grand Final at the MCG is the perfect example... That's where the game is played. Always has been. That is not changing. Locked in for the next 50 years. Sure, that's an advantage for some Vic clubs, in terms of travel and ground familiarity, but it isn't a home game. I would LOVE to see every Hawthorn member get a GF ticket, but we don't. Competing clubs get the same number of tickets. The crowd roars for both teams on Grand Final day. It's not a 100% partisan crowd like finals played in Adelaide, Perth, Sydney or Brisbane.

The Crows, Eagles and Swans have a more advantageous path to the Grand Final when they finish 1st or 2nd and play home finals in Week 1 and home Prelim Finals with the entire stadium rocking. That's a massive home ground advantage for them. Nothing like that at the G. Compare that to Hawthorn or Richmond finishing on top of the ladder and playing finals versus 4th-placed Collingwood, Melbourne or Geelong where they get no advantage at all.
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The Hawks travelled 10 times because they choose to play in Tasmania mate.

In other words, in a season where we unusually advantaged by Gather around, a team from Melbourne can financially benefit from selling off a significant number of home games to Tassie and STILL travel the same number of times as Adelaide.

Give it a rest.
 
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Back One Out said:
I was talking about the +1 advantage of 11 games with home ground advantage vs 10 away games

If you're talking about the number of traveling games throughout the season, getting on plane, sleeping in a hotel bed, etc, then the Crows are the same as most other clubs. When people bang on about clubs playing 17 MCG games, they are focused on the Richmond's and the Collingwood's.. Those big molly-coddled Vic clubs are the exception.

The Hawks travelled 10 times this year... the same as Adelaide.

I don't understand why people are always moaning about this stuff. This is the AFL. It is what it is. Why does everyone continually moan about it?

Don't get me wrong... I totally get people being pissed off about bad umpiring and decisions which don't go your way. You guys suffered a cruel blow last weekend. I would also be livid and wanna burn down the AFL headquarters. Maybe this is the wrong time & place for me to be posting here. You guys need to vent and find some outlet for your anger. I get it. A goal umpiring error has cost you a place in the finals. It's sh*t. I feel your pain. There's no lulz from me.

But why do some people always think it's their club who is being deliberately victimised? I mean, the people who constantly whine about the umpires and think it's an AFL conspiracy against their club. A vendetta by Victorians to stitch you up.

People should follow the sport and enjoy the game... But maybe they need to find another hobby if it brings them no happiness.. If following the AFL is just never-ending source of complaints about how unfair everything it is, then why bother?


The Grand Final at the MCG is the perfect example... That's where the game is played. Always has been. That is not changing. Locked in for the next 50 years. Sure, that's an advantage for some Vic clubs, in terms of travel and ground familiarity, but it isn't a home game. I would LOVE to see every Hawthorn member get a GF ticket, but we don't. Competing clubs get the same number of tickets. The crowd roars for both teams on Grand Final day. It's not a 100% partisan crowd like finals played in Adelaide, Perth, Sydney or Brisbane.

The Crows, Eagles and Swans might suffer a disadvantage on Grand Final day, but they have a more advantageous path to the Grand Final when they finish 1st or 2nd. They play a home final in Week 1 and a home Prelim Final with the entire stadium rocking. That's a massive home ground advantage for them. Nothing like that at the G. Compare that to Hawthorn or Richmond finishing on top of the ladder and playing finals versus 4th-placed Collingwood, Melbourne or Geelong where they get no advantage at all.
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Clueless.
 

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Back One Out said:
I was talking about the +1 advantage of 11 games with home ground advantage vs 10 away games

If you're talking about the number of traveling games throughout the season, getting on plane, sleeping in a hotel bed, etc, then the Crows are the same as most other clubs. When people bang on about clubs playing 17 MCG games, they are focused on the Richmond's and the Collingwood's.. Those big molly-coddled Vic clubs are the exception.

The Hawks travelled 10 times this year... the same as Adelaide.

I don't understand why people are always moaning about this stuff. This is the AFL. It is what it is. Why does everyone continually moan about it?

Don't get me wrong... I totally get people being pissed off about bad umpiring and decisions which don't go your way. You guys suffered a cruel blow last weekend. I would also be livid and wanna burn down the AFL headquarters. Maybe this is the wrong time & place for me to be posting here. You guys need to vent and find some outlet for your anger. I get it. A goal umpiring error has cost you a place in the finals. It's sh*t. I feel your pain. There's no lulz from me.

But why do some people always think it's their club who is being deliberately victimised? I mean, the people who constantly whine about the umpires and think it's an AFL conspiracy against their club. A vendetta by Victorians to stitch you up.

People should follow the sport and enjoy the game... But maybe they need to find another hobby if it brings them no happiness.. If following the AFL is just never-ending source of complaints about how unfair everything it is, then why bother?


The Grand Final at the MCG is the perfect example... That's where the game is played. Always has been. That is not changing. Locked in for the next 50 years. Sure, that's an advantage for some Vic clubs, in terms of travel and ground familiarity, but it isn't a home game. I would LOVE to see every Hawthorn member get a GF ticket, but we don't. Competing clubs get the same number of tickets. The crowd roars for both teams on Grand Final day. It's not a 100% partisan crowd like finals played in Adelaide, Perth, Sydney or Brisbane.

The Crows, Eagles and Swans might suffer a disadvantage on Grand Final day, but they have a more advantageous path to the Grand Final when they finish 1st or 2nd. They play a home final in Week 1 and a home Prelim Final with the entire stadium rocking. That's a massive home ground advantage for them. Nothing like that at the G. Compare that to Hawthorn or Richmond finishing on top of the ladder and playing finals versus 4th-placed Collingwood, Melbourne or Geelong where they get no advantage at all.

It's all just part of the vagaries of the AFL competition. Teams get advantaged in some ways and they get disadvantaged in others.

Money is usually the underlying motivation for everything. The AFL is a business.
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‘[non-Victorian teams] might suffer a disadvantage on Grand Final day’. 🤣
 
Corvidae said:
[non-Victorian teams] might suffer a disadvantage on Grand Final day’. 🤣
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By that I meant, they get some advantage terms of ground familiarity and travel. But the crowd is relatively neutral. Not 100%, but Grand Finals are usually pretty even in terms of noise for both clubs. Not as big of an advantage which the Eagles or Crows get from a huge partisan home crowd for a Prelim final.

Freo fans made a LOT of noise on Grand Final day in 2013.

The Crows were definitely up against it in 2017 mainly because they played Richmond whose success-starved fans came out of the woodwork after a 30 year wait. Tigers fans were pretty feral that September, even more feral than usual, and their diehards and badwagoners were paying whatever they could for a ticket.

But the 2012 Prelim Final between Hawthorn and Adelaide is a good example of what I mean. Plenty of noise at the G for the Crows that day. You guys had good support at the ground. Had we met on Grand Final day, the crowd support for both teams would've been even closer.
 
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Back One Out said:
By that I meant, they get some advantage terms of ground familiarity and travel.
But not as big of an advantage which the Eagles or Crows get from a huge partisan home crowd for a Prelim final
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1. That’s garbage.
2. Prelim finals ain’t the Grand Final.
3. Any home prelim final we get we have to earn.
 
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Yes poor Hawthorn suffered terribly, playing those close preliminary finals at home in 2012 and 2014. Didn’t help them win at all, no siree 🙄

2015 was a good win, beating Fremantle in Perth. The reward was then playing a grand final at the MCG against a team who had finished above them at the end of the home and away season and beat them comfortably on their home ground in the first week of the finals. But the grand final is at a “neutral” venue you know.

Most hard done by are the Victorian clubs, those poor battlers.
 
Back One Out said:
I don't blame Olsen for trying leverage this situation to eke out a better draw from the AFL. There isn't a club in the AFL who is 100% happy with the fixture. Not even Collingwood or Richmond, who seem to get ALL the favours from the AFL and Channel 7. The Tigers and Pies still find something to complain about and want more, more, more.

However, it should also be pointed out the Crows had one extra home game this year when they flogged Carlton by 10 goals during the "Gather Round".
The Crows played 13 games at the Adelaide Oval - two of those vs Port - plus 10 trips interstate for away games..

Port and Crows will enjoy this fixture advantage over the 16 other clubs for at least the next 3 years. So it's a bit rich of Olsen to complain about any "disadvantages".

Let's pretend justice was done and the goal was awarded to Keays... the Crows defeated the Swans... and they edged out the Swans, Bulldogs or Giants for a spot in the Top 8... Wouldn't the 9th placed team also be entitled to moan about the Crows being advantaged by playing one extra home game this year?

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I understand the complaint from WA or SA teams about having to play away games in Launceston or Ballarat. I get they'd prefer to play Hawthorn at the MCG, or the Bulldogs at Marvel. But the simple fact is... it's not their home game. Someone has to be the away team for those games. And it's not going to be any of the big crowd-drawing Victorian teams because that would defeat the purpose of clubs "selling" those home games. They're doing it to maximise their revenue. They want the lucrative gate receipts from their Vic rivals... and they want to make a few dollars on their "break even" games versus teams from interstate.

It would be good if the AFL stopped pandering to Channel 7 and the "big four" Vic clubs and shared the fixture around more evenly so they didn't force the smaller Vic clubs into selling off their home games to make a few bucks.
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Why don't you play against the Bulldogs in Ballarat?

We played in Canberra, Ballarat, Tasmania, Darwin and Geelong this season, then Brisbane and Perth in the last 3 rounds of the season. Our first game in Melbourne wasn't until Round 15!

We played in 5 states and two territories SA, WA, NT, QLD, ACT, VIC and TAS this year in Australia. When's the last time your club or any Victorian club did that?
 
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The Hawks travelled 10 times because they choose to play in Tasmania mate.

In other words, in a season where we unusually advantaged by Gather around, a team from Melbourne can financially benefit from selling off a significant number of home games to Tassie and STILL travel the same number of times as Adelaide.

Give it a rest.
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Incredibly disingenuous to include selling games to Tasmania. May as well include Marvel to truly commit to bullshitting people.
 
Shuestar13 said:
Yes poor Hawthorn suffered terribly...

Most hard done by are the Victorian clubs, those poor battlers.
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Hang on, mate. I wasn't complaining about anything. It's you guys who are the poor battlers who've suffered terribly.

I acknowledged that. I understand why you're all furious and I commiserate with you.

It's small consolation, but I think the disappointment of missing finals might be the added motivation for Crows players to work even harder over summer and use it as a spur to get the very best out of themselves over the next few years. Look at Carlton this year after they were similarly gutted at missing out this time last year.

It would've been nice to play an Elimination Final and get that experience. But maybe this way, it will work out better in the long run.


All the best, Crows fans :thumbsu:
 
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Twist_of_Lemon said:
Incredibly disingenuous to include selling games to Tasmania. May as well include Marvel to truly commit to bullshitting people.
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Travel is travel. Doesn't matter it's for a home game or an away game

The point is, you don't hear Hawthorn talking about it, even though they travelled as much as the Crows this year.

I don't understand why any Crows fans would mention their travel schedule. Isn't this what you signed up for when you joined the comp?

What's your solution? What's the remedy?

1. Adelaide Crows to play in a 2-team division with Port Adelaide where they meet each other 10 times a year, plus 6 home games and 6 away games versus other random AFL teams. Winner of the 2-team SA Division books their spot in the playoffs while the loser watches on?

It could work...

2. or maybe we could merge the Hawks, Pies, Cats, Dees and Saints and call them the Victoria Bitters.... Merge Tigers, Bombers, Blues, Roos and Dogs and call them the Melbourne Pelicans. So now we have 2 teams from Vic, 2 teams from WA, 2 teams from SA, 2 teams from NSW and 2 teams from Queensland.

A 10-team competition... 9 home games, 9 away games where everyone has the exact same fixture and travel.... Rotate the Grand Final between neutral sites like London, Tokyo, Shanghai and Los Angeles so no team ever has a disadvantage. Nobody would ever complain again... Or would they? Yeah, they probably would.

I dunno...
 

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Shuestar13 said:
Yes poor Hawthorn suffered terribly, playing those close preliminary finals at home in 2012 and 2014. Didn’t help them win at all, no siree 🙄

2015 was a good win, beating Fremantle in Perth. The reward was then playing a grand final at the MCG against a team who had finished above them at the end of the home and away season and beat them comfortably on their home ground in the first week of the finals. But the grand final is at a “neutral” venue you know.

Most hard done by are the Victorian clubs, those poor battlers.
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If it really was no big deal like the vics say, the VFL would not have locked away on one of longest contracts in sports history the GF at the MCG.
 
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Back One Out said:
Travel is travel. Doesn't matter it's for a home game or an away game

The point is, you don't hear Hawthorn talking about it, even though they travelled as much as the Crows this year.

I don't understand why any Crows fans would mention their travel schedule. Isn't this what you signed up for when you joined the comp?

What's your solution? What's the remedy?

1. Adelaide Crows to play in a 2-team division with Port Adelaide where they meet each other 10 times a year, plus 6 home games and 6 away games versus other random AFL teams. Winner of the 2-team SA Division books their spot in the playoffs while the loser watches on?

It could work...

2. or maybe we could merge the Hawks, Pies, Cats, Dees and Saints and call them the Victoria Bitters.... Merge Tigers, Bombers, Blues, Roos and Dogs and call them the Melbourne Pelicans. So now we have 2 teams from Vic, 2 teams from WA, 2 teams from SA, 2 teams from NSW and 2 teams from Queensland.

A 10-team competition... 9 home games, 9 away games where everyone has the exact same fixture and travel.... Rotate the Grand Final between neutral sites like London, Tokyo, Shanghai and Los Angeles so no team ever has a disadvantage. Nobody would ever complain again... Or would they? Yeah, they probably would.

I dunno...
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Grand final to be played at the home ground of the side that earnt it by finishing highest on the ladder. All sides required to travel on a rotating basis to ballarat, darwin etc. More access to the MCG for interstate sides

Then absolutely never have all victorian field umpires umpiring a vic side v an interstate club..to be majority state neutral umpires

There are lots of things they culd do and i don't care about the maximising revenue argument as competition integrity sits above that and then the finances will take care of themselves
 
The pressure for a spot in the 8 is different than a free crack at a home final or whatever so who knows even if they do get up.
 

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