Roast The Non Goal: F*** the AFL, court injunction?

[CrowToon]

Now with WC, Freo, Bris, GC, Syd, GWS, guaranteed double up against the Power and multiple Vic clubs selling home games the landscape has changed a lot.

This is what needs outlawing.

 

[Crow till I die]

When it comes to the fixture concerns regarding Melbourne games, I think a heap of our supporters are stuck in the early 90's a bit.

I remember growing up, away games were mostly in Melbourne. That's because there only were WC, Syd and Bris as the other options.

Now with WC, Freo, Bris, GC, Syd, GWS, guaranteed double up against the Power and multiple Vic clubs selling home games the landscape has changed a lot.

We definitely cop the worst case scenario each year it feels like, but it's never going to be like the early 90s again.

It would be nice to see a draw going forward where we never go back to Ballarat, Darwin or Alice Springs and only have to travel to Tasmania once the new side comes in. Give us 5 or 6 games in Melbourne EVERY year

 

[Crows I Am]

Caught the last 5 minutes ofthe 5AA interview with Olsen. Good to hear him firing up about this. Said they are talking to the AFL behind the scenes about a number of items that we are chasing for compensation. Sounds like we are not going to let this go until we get something we want out of it.

Glad that the Club is finally making some noise and not just laying down and taking it.

 

[jamesclean]

Personally I agree with Dawson. The umpire made a mistake. Hell they all make mistakes Remember that Dawson should have been awarded a free kick against Collingwood earlier and that would have given us a win. But that mistake was accepted/ The difference here is that the AFL have a system and the system needs a procedure to run it.

nah, I think the difference is the pies umpiring error would've been a shot on goal. in THIS instance we actually would have been in front, in a game where we had 12-1 scoring shots and all the clearance battle. way different - and also compounded by the fact it's the second time.

 

[The Karma Bus]

McAdam bumps a guy who gets up to play the game out in round 1, straight to the tribunal. 3 games, we appeal, ban stays.

McCartin bumps McAdam in the head, breaks his cheekbone. Not sent to tribunal, MRO give only 2 weeks. And the Academy Swans are appealing it.

Maybe they should also take the 4 points away from Adelai.... oh.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

Mark Knight nailed it in the HSUN today...

 

[jackster83]

Mark Knight nailed it in the HSUN today...

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That's pretty bad. I thought we'd moved past ableism.

 

[Hinkstuff]

That's pretty bad. I thought we'd moved past ableism.

Newscorp

 

[Samcro24]

McAdam bumps a guy who gets up to play the game out in round 1, straight to the tribunal. 3 games, we appeal, ban stays.

McCartin bumps McAdam in the head, breaks his cheekbone. Not sent to tribunal, MRO give only 2 weeks. And the Academy Swans are appealing it.

Maybe they should also take the 4 points away from Adelai.... oh.

Can’t get done for “potential to cause injury” when there’s an actual injury.

 

[rabidcrow]

Apparently sportsbet paid out on a crows win

Do that every second week on something.

They only paid on the head to head and most people bet in multis. Just comes out of their marketing budget and makes them seem like good guys


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[Eagleboy2011]

Caught the last 5 minutes ofthe 5AA interview with Olsen. Good to hear him firing up about this. Said they are talking to the AFL behind the scenes about a number of items that we are chasing for compensation. Sounds like we are not going to let this go until we get something we want out of it.

Glad that the Club is finally making some noise and not just laying down and taking it.

Always remember that Olsen was and forever will be a politician.

The old joke always applies.
How do you know a Politician is lying?
A: When his lips move.

 

[bonehilda]

McAdam bumps a guy who gets up to play the game out in round 1, straight to the tribunal. 3 games, we appeal, ban stays.

McCartin bumps McAdam in the head, breaks his cheekbone. Not sent to tribunal, MRO give only 2 weeks. And the Academy Swans are appealing it.

Watch McCartin’s get downgraded somehow because they need him week one of finals

 

[Geoffa32]

When it comes to the fixture concerns regarding Melbourne games, I think a heap of our supporters are stuck in the early 90's a bit.

I remember growing up, away games were mostly in Melbourne. That's because there only were WC, Syd and Bris as the other options.

Now with WC, Freo, Bris, GC, Syd, GWS, guaranteed double up against the Power and multiple Vic clubs selling home games the landscape has changed a lot.

We definitely cop the worst case scenario each year it feels like, but it's never going to be like the early 90s again.

We shouldn't have to play St Kilda in Cairns, Hawthorn and North in Tassie or Footscray in Ballarat. Need more of these in Melbourne.

Maybe one regional game a year. But not more than one.

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[Geoffa32]

Apparently sportsbet paid out on a crows win

Bonus bets.


Not sure we get them in SA?


GROTTO

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[Klug]

It would be nice to see a draw going forward where we never go back to Ballarat, Darwin or Alice Springs and only have to travel to Tasmania once the new side comes in. Give us 5 or 6 games in Melbourne EVERY year

Port had 4 games in Melbourne this year, before Crows had even had 1 game ( first in Round 15 v Cwd where we drew a Home and Away record crowd). How in the world is that possible?

Port had at total of 6 games in Melbourne for the year, plus 1 at the Corio cowpaddock.

6 Melbourne games is what Crows need to ask for next year.

 

[carlton_99]

Likely we will get a good draw next year paving the way to a finals finish - bit like what Carlton get.

Possibly get a good run of umpiring until the finals.

Apologies for the intrusion but this is a massive myth.

2019 - Carlton after finishing last in 2018 (with only 2 wins!!!) had a more difficult draw (based on Champion data rankings) than Richmond who made a prelim plus six other teams
2020 - Carlton's fixture was ranked 6th hardest despite finishing 16th in 2019, and this was harder than 7/8 of the top 8 teams from 2019
2021 - Carlton's fixture was again ranked as the 6th hardest despite finishing 11th (7-10 record) in 2020, and this was more difficult than 5 of the top 10 teams from 2020
2022 - Carlton's fixture was ranked the easiest of the comp (thanks to the fact they finished 13th which puts them in the bottom 6 group for "weighted" fixturing) but it ended up being far from that due to the significant improvement of 3/5 of their double-up opponents who all missed finals in 2021 (Pies, Dockers and Tigers). Carlton ended up playing 11/22 games against the top 8 (only Giants, Saints and Bombers played more with 12).

 

[kirky]

Plus. I just looked how many posts I had in this thread: 42

4+2 =… 6…..!



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Why did Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy be the first thing I remember from this post?

 

[glengowan]

Heard John Olsen on 5AA. All bullshit as usual.

In the AFL press conference Gill said the goal umpire believed there was “a clear noise and a clear deflection”, but on review “that wasn’t right”.

The only sound he could've heard was Mills slapping the goal post at the exact same time the ball went past. You can see on the replay the indent of Mills hand on the padding. This is a breach of the AFL Law 18.12

18.12 INTENTIONALLY SHAKING, CLIMBING OR OTHERWISE INTERFERING WITH A GOAL POST OR BEHIND POST
18.12.1 Free Kicks – Intentionally Shaking, Climbing or Otherwise Interfering with a Goal Post or Behind Post
Unless Law 18.12.3 applies, a field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player or Official who intentionally shakes, climbs or otherwise interferes with a goal or behind post (either before or after a Player has disposed of the football).

The AFL have hung the goal umpire out to dry with this. Yes, he should have called for the review, but he was deceived by Mills slap of the goal post. What else could've he possibly heard? It is not difficult to be deceived by sight.

I think this is the legal angle the club should be able to take to go further with this.

 

[Corvidae]

Remove the result of the game and play Adelaide vs Sydney again in the bye week.

You'd fill Adelaide Oval - money made.
There would be huge interest again in all this weeks games - money made.

Sydney would be pissed off, but they didn't deserve to win.

Let the result play out on the field.

Said the same thing earlier in the thread. It’s not the perfect solution as it could still be a dead rubber depending on other results in round 23, but at least the clubs affected by this stuff up would have finals on the line this weekend. It‘s certainly a much fairer outcome than just telling Adelaide to suck it up.

Not sure why so many people think the result should just stand when the result itself is the actual problem. And if you don’t like the vagaries of just correcting the score to reflect the goal to Adelaide when there was 78 seconds remaining and a kick-in rather than a reset in the centre then just declare the result null and void and replay the game. Fair to the Crows? Not really, as if the goal had been correctly rewarded they were more likely than not to hang on and win the game (they may have kicked another goal, who bloody knows?). Fair to Sydney? Not really as they at least would have had a chance to go back to the middle and try and regain the lead. So replaying the game sounds about right for both clubs given what’s at stake.

 

[glengowan]

Said the same thing earlier in the thread. It’s not the perfect solution as it could still be a dead rubber depending on other results in round 23, but at least the clubs affected by this stuff up would have finals on the line this weekend. It‘s certainly a much fairer outcome than just telling Adelaide to suck it up.

Not sure why so many people think the result should just stand when the result itself is the actual problem. And if you don’t like the vagaries of just correcting the score to reflect the goal to Adelaide when there was 78 seconds remaining and a kick-in rather than a reset in the centre then just declare the result null and void and replay the game. Fair to the Crows? Not really, as if the goal had been correctly rewarded they were more likely than not to hang on and win the game (they may have kicked another goal, who bloody knows?). Fair to Sydney? Not really as they at least would have had a chance to go back to the middle and try and regain the lead. So replaying the game sounds about right for both clubs given what’s at stake.

Yep. I thought the same when the 19th man incident happened with North and the Eagles in the SANFL a few years ago. It did go to legal advice and the advice was to replay the game, but the SANFL didn't have the capacity to do so. One, it would've cost them money and two, the Grand Final was already booked for the weekend after. In this case, there is a bye week already there and it would be a money spinner in more ways than one.

 

[Samcro24]

I don’t mean to harp on this but…

The AFL owns the licence. They ratify board selections.

I’m sure that licking their arse is included in the club’s constitituon.

Look, I found the first amendment

The Crows shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of the AFL; or abridging the freedom of speech of the AFL, or of the AFL press; or the right of the AFL peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Crows for a redress of grievances or a licking of AFL arses


Diabolical!

Without trying to make excuses, it begs the question as to exactly what leverage we have in these situations.

Ultimately they are the owner and have the final say. They can listen to us complain, nod, smile and then do what they like whilst rubbing their nipples.

It’s a bit like a player disputing an umpires call, a prisoner appealing to the jail warden, or a man trying to win an argument with his wife.

 

[Shaunbkk]

Without trying to make excuses, it begs the question as to exactly what leverage we have in these situations.

Ultimately they are the owner and have the final say. They can listen to us complain, nod, smile and then do what they like whilst rubbing their nipples.

It’s a bit like a player disputing an umpires call, a prisoner appealing to the jail warden, or a man trying to win an argument with his wife.

It resembles the way society is...less freedom...less care and responsibility or justice from those corrupt powerful ones...people need to revolt...pickets outside afl shithouse for one

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[Corvidae]

When it comes to the fixture concerns regarding Melbourne games, I think a heap of our supporters are stuck in the early 90's a bit.

I remember growing up, away games were mostly in Melbourne. That's because there only were WC, Syd and Bris as the other options.

Now with WC, Freo, Bris, GC, Syd, GWS, guaranteed double up against the Power and multiple Vic clubs selling home games the landscape has changed a lot.

We definitely cop the worst case scenario each year it feels like, but it's never going to be like the early 90s again.

Sure, but why can’t the AFL send every club to Ballarat to play the Bulldogs on a 17 year cycle? Ditto for Hawks and Kangaroos in Tasmania, and whatever s*$# club decides to sell their home games to Cairns or Darwin (Saints and the Suns?). You can’t just argue it’s about crowds either, because Adelaide v Bulldogs would always be a bigger crowd if played at Marvel or MCG. And if crowds are the ultimate determinant for where particular match-ups should be played we’d never play a heap of clubs anywhere other than AO (I’m using AFL logic here - it’s about crowds when we say it’s about crowds. And it’s not about crowds when we say it’s not about crowds). And given we’ve already played more than our fair share of games on the regional Australia AFL tour we shouldn’t see Ballarat or Tassie for roughly the next century.

 

[Shaunbkk]

Always remember that Olsen was and forever will be a politician.

The old joke always applies.
How do you know a Politician is lying?
A: When his lips move.

Exception..Senator Rennick

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[kirky]

When it comes to the fixture concerns regarding Melbourne games, I think a heap of our supporters are stuck in the early 90's a bit.

I remember growing up, away games were mostly in Melbourne. That's because there only were WC, Syd and Bris as the other options.

Now with WC, Freo, Bris, GC, Syd, GWS, guaranteed double up against the Power and multiple Vic clubs selling home games the landscape has changed a lot.

We definitely cop the worst case scenario each year it feels like, but it's never going to be like the early 90s again.

We don’t need to play North Melb and Hawks in Tasmania and Bulldogs in Ballarat - it is that simple. Geelong in Geelong is fine.

And get some other teams to go to Darwin/Alice Springs - we have done it enough times in the past 10 years (2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2023). Remember 2020 and 2021 were restricted due to Covid-19.

We have played the last 4 of 5 games against the Bulldogs in Ballarat with the other one in 2020 on Gold Coast. The last time we played them in Adelaide was 2018.