2nds The Official Port Board Thread for the Discussion of the Port Power Seconds Team

[PRDPower]

VFL option (with the removal of all SANFL connections) makes no sense to me.

No 'stand-alone' VFL sides (e.g. Collingwood & Essendon) have a VFL reserves, and no VFL clubs have under 18's. So, basically, it would be the same as succumbing to the SANFL demands, but adding additional travel and costs and COMPLETELY removing all PAFC SANFL based connections to the local community.

Compromise is needed. Enter a PAFC side - with the Magpies nickname - in the SANFL league comp, remove the SANFL reserves but retain all junior levels.

 

[Portia]

The Port Adelaide Football Club is not a physical entity.

Having a team in the SANFL is non-essential.

We can still have community links without one.

 

[PRDPower]

Having a team in the SANFL is non-essential.

We can still have community links without one.

I agree with this, but this doesn't mean the links can't be stronger with a SANFL team. Seems more logical to have a token reserve team in the SANFL then the VFL.

 

[Portia]

I agree that its more logical.

Sadly the entity that we deal with is not logical, the Spiteful And Neurotic Football League

 

[*PAF]

For mine the single most important issue is that we must do everything possible to keep all of our supporters and sponsors. Everybody else can go and ...

 

[Stewart2Austin Reborn]

I agree that its more logical.

Sadly the entity that we deal with is not logical, the Spiteful And Neurotic Football League

Surely you could have called it the Spiteful, Arrogant, Neurotic Football League or at least used another adjective starting with A.

 

[Portia]

I don't like ignoring the And in contractions.

 

[pastmyprimus]

What would be the ball park travel and accommodation costs of putting a reserves team in the VFL, assuming Port will need to meet these costs for Melbourne teams that play Port away. Lets say it's a 20 game season and 30 people (players and coaches) need to flown/put up in a hotel, just to keep things simple.

That's around $100k for flights (at $150 per ticket) and about $50k for accommodation (one night only; 2 persons per room at $100 - they can stay in a Flag Inn).

All up about $150k as the ball park estimate. That looks reasonably affordable and that's why the rumour can't be dismissed. On top of that we'll be charged a fee for playing in the VFL. As long as it's reasonable where do we sign.

 

[Janus]

I agree with this, but this doesn't mean the links can't be stronger with a SANFL team. Seems more logical to have a token reserve team in the SANFL then the VFL.

Logical would have been for the SANFL to acquiesce to what we asked for instead of a flat out no.

 

[Gillian Batty]

I agree with this, but this doesn't mean the links can't be stronger with a SANFL team. Seems more logical to have a token reserve team in the SANFL then the VFL.

In theory, you are 100% correct.

 

[Thunderer]

I don't understand why, if Port enters a team in the VFL, we still can't have an under 16 and under 18 team? What is to stop them? Furthermore, sure we might lose our zones but those would be SANFL zones. Under the VFL arrangement, wouldn't the entire state of South Australia be our zone? The only crux is once again, trying to maintain the Magpie identity in the VFL - which as history has shown, is probably next to impossible.

 

[Burningleviathan]

We can keep our U16s, U18's be called the Magpies and have a reserves team in we go to the Ammos as well. Would be far cheaper. Competition would be less, but is it not a genuine option?

 

[Rankor]

I don't understand why, if Port enters a team in the VFL, we still can't have an under 16 and under 18 team? What is to stop them? Furthermore, sure we might lose our zones but those would be SANFL zones. Under the VFL arrangement, wouldn't the entire state of South Australia be our zone? The only crux is once again, trying to maintain the Magpie identity in the VFL - which as history has shown, is probably next to impossible.

So we are going to fly 3 teams over every weekend? Thats just not feasible.

 

[Joelg]

What am I missing regarding the need for u/16 and u/18's

Don't we pick our players up through the draft?

Leave the development to the VFL, SANFL and WAFL.

Lets get on with winning our next Premiership

 

[FPPF]

VFL option (with the removal of all SANFL connections) makes no sense to me.

No 'stand-alone' VFL sides (e.g. Collingwood & Essendon) have a VFL reserves, and no VFL clubs have under 18's. So, basically, it would be the same as succumbing to the SANFL demands, but adding additional travel and costs and COMPLETELY removing all PAFC SANFL based connections to the local community.

Compromise is needed. Enter a PAFC side - with the Magpies nickname - in the SANFL league comp, remove the SANFL reserves but retain all junior levels.

If we enter a side in the VFL, what we could then do with our juniors is play them in the SAAFL. They have a pretty big and decent junior setup. Quite a few of their juniors get selected for development squads at sanfl clubs.

Then when players come of age, they move up to the senior ressies team in the VFL.

The VFL option is the best one imo.
Where do you think the big names at the Melbourne based clubs are dropped to? Back to their VFL sides.
Exposing our players to that, having them play against them, will be better for our development. Much better then playing a ressies side in the SANFL.

On top of that, by playing in the VFL, in Australia's second biggest city, our sponsorship and financial situation will improve.
A whole new world will open up for the club.
And our existing sponsors, like VIP and Renault, will have more exposure.

As an added benefit with our juniors in the SAAFL, the SAAFL could act as a feeder for the VFL like the TAC Cup does.

And I think most importantly, OUR CLUBS FUTURE will be in the hands of OUR CLUB, and will not be dictated to by the SANFL stooges.


You are aware that Collingwood and several other clubs are now looking at bringing back their juniors?
Why should we get rid of them?

We would not be cutting ours links with the local communities that make up the Port Adelaide FC zones. Simply put there will be different, bigger and better opportunities for kids growing up in our zones, and all of SA basically, to make it to the big time in footy.
If they are good enough, they will be exposed directly to the center of footy in this country, Melbourne, and all the recruiters there.

 

[chiwigi]

Vfl is a standard closer to the AFL...because its full of afl players. Simple

 

[*PAF]

...

On top of that, by playing in the VFL, in Australia's second biggest city
...

Never heard Bendigo or Ballarat being referred to as Australia's second biggest city.

 

[PRDPower]

If we enter a side in the VFL, what we could then do with our juniors is play them in the SAAFL. They have a pretty big and decent junior setup. Quite a few of their juniors get selected for development squads at sanfl clubs.

Then when players come of age, they move up to the senior ressies team in the VFL.

Which players are going to choose to play for the Port Adelaide SAAFL under 18's when they're already zoned to another team in a stronger under 18 competition? The one's who aren't good enough to automatically make the SANFL under 18's.

 

[FPPF]

Which players are going to choose to play for the Port Adelaide SAAFL under 18's when they're already zoned to another team in a stronger under 18 competition? The one's who aren't good enough to automatically make the SANFL under 18's.

Putting all the club politics involved with who gets a call up and who doesn't, there are plenty of SAAFL juniors who get called up.
By replacing the SANFL with SAAFL, and linking to the VFL similar to the TAC Cup and acting as a feeder for the VFL, will provide just as good, if not BETTER opportunities to young players.
In fact it will provide even more opportunities then playing in the SANFL development squads.

The development squads don't even play a full season anyway.
And what I'm suggesting would mean the SAAFL break away from the SANFL entirely, and align with the VFL like the TAC Cup.


Youngsters who make it into the ressies side and play in the VFL will be seen by more talent scouts/recruiters then they would by playing in the SANFL. Simple.

Most of SA youngsters that make it don't end up playing for Port or the Crows anyway..they end up playing for interstate teams.
Given that half the teams in the AFL are based on Melbourne(+Geelong), with the biggest clubs being there as well...who wouldn't want to have bigger and better opportunities to make it?

The VFL has representation from half the AFL.

Do the maths my friend, the VFL is superior to the SANFL for so many reasons.
From the fact that half the AFL is represented in the VFL already, from the fact that there is more sponsorship and financial benefits there, from the fact that young players have a better opportunity at making it.

And the big plus which should seal it, is that PAFC will no longer be bound by the SANFLs shackles.


Of course we are just speculating at options here..the club hasn't denied or confirmed anything.
All that the club has said is what's on the club site.

 

[chiwigi]

Trying our AFL game plan against other AFL game plans has to be better than trying it against teams wanting to kick lumps out of players just because they failed to get into the AFL.

I am VERY keen on VFL for so many reasons.

 

[woopedazz]

Solid interview at half time just now.

 

[Portmanteau]

Solid interview at half time just now.

Come on, man. Details.

 

[woopedazz]

Come on, man. Details.

He said he hates Port and is a Crows fan now.

 

[Dalphonso]

Gold Coast have their own reserves team that plays in the QLD league....Just saying

 

[FPPF]

Gold Coast have their own reserves team that plays in the QLD league....Just saying

Everyone has a reserves team, except us and the crows. Next year the crows will have a ressies, we wont(unless there is truth to the rumor of vfl).

There is only one sanfl..and unfortunately we are stuck with them here in SA. Hopefully we break the shackles very soon.