The official "X v Y" thread

[samwise]

Drummond vs Shaw vs P.Burgoyne?

as hard as it is not to pick drummond i think it will be better not to pick him as even though he may average 100 and be cheap, he will score less points to shaw due to missing games. he averages like 11 games a season.
i dont mind burgoyne but am waiting on watching his next nab cup match.
cornes and bock are also good options from that range otherwise try and go up to mattner


houlihan or higgins +70k?

 

[trix17]

houlihan, personally, but there is upside and downside either way.

cross + boomer (fwd)
OR
hayes/smitchell + riewoldt

 

[anubis]

houlihan, personally, but there is upside and downside either way.

cross + boomer (fwd)
OR
hayes/smitchell + riewoldt

I would go with Cross and Boomer.Cross is a gun and i think Boomer will outscore roo early in the season.Roo will drop in price so you will be able to pay less to pick him up later on.That being said i have none of them lol.

Hille or Petrie

 

[abs_of_STEELE]

I would go with Cross and Boomer.Cross is a gun and i think Boomer will outscore roo early in the season.Roo will drop in price so you will be able to pay less to pick him up later on.That being said i have none of them lol.

Hille or Petrie

Hille, only has to battle Laycock and Bellchambers so will have a lot of TOG.

 

[abs_of_STEELE]

Adcock and Mundy

vs

Waite/Gilbee and Raines

Option 1 is safer since I don't know if I want to start Houlihan, Raines and Hill in my backs. Any advice? Thanks.

 

[kreuze control]

Adcock and Mundy

vs

Waite/Gilbee and Raines

Option 1 is safer since I don't know if I want to start Houlihan, Raines and Hill in my backs. Any advice? Thanks.

i'd go gilbee and raines. i wouldn't worry about houlihan as he is a certain starter and raines has to get a game based on his last 2 performances in the nab cup. hill i'm not so sure about.


petrenko vs suban?

 

[Pissi123]

N Riewoldt vs B Harvey
Newman vs Fisher

 

[cocka2]

N Riewoldt vs B Harvey
Newman vs Fisher

I would go Harvey and Fisher.

Riewoldt has too many injury clouds, harvey and fisher are untra consistant.

Mine is: Haselby V Masten ( +50k )

 

[abs_of_STEELE]

petrenko vs suban?

That's a tough one. Apparently Suban played alright today but I don't think he'll play round 1. Petrenko might not play round 1 either though so I guess we might have to wait until the round 1 teams come out. I'd go Petrenko, only because he played in the Crows NAB Cup game.

 

[abs_of_STEELE]

Mine is: Haselby V Masten ( +50k )

I think Hasleby had ice on his knee after today's game, not sure if it is serious though. I'd go Hasleby but only if he gets through the next few games.

 

[Baxter23]

Cox & Berger
v
Hille & McIntosh

 

[abs_of_STEELE]

McPhee vs Adcock

???

 

[abs_of_STEELE]

Cox & Berger
v
Hille & McIntosh

Hille and McIntosh...just. Although I think you need to get Cox but have someone better than Leuenberger.

 

[Baxter23]

McPhee vs Adcock

???

Adcock, good player only concerns are injuries.

McPhee too many clangers. Has the potential to have a good year if the rest of the team stay injury free. McPhee seems to fill the void when players get injured, even when those positions don't suit him.

 

[Baxter23]

Hille and McIntosh...just. Although I think you need to get Cox but have someone better than Leuenberger.

I'm trying to get Cox and McIntosh in together but would rather spend the money on other positions. Rucks are too inconsistent IMO.

 

[Baxter23]

Cox-McIntosh-Lucas

v

Hille-McIntosh-Fev

 

[abs_of_STEELE]

Cox-McIntosh-Lucas

v

Hille-McIntosh-Fev

So, it's Cox and Lucas vs Hille and Fev. Cox will average about 20-30ppg more than Hille and Fev will average about 15ppg more than Lucas (all IMO though). By going option 1 you are gaining points and a captain option. Obviously it depends what you think those players will average though.

 

[Baxter23]

So, it's Cox and Lucas vs Hille and Fev. Cox will average about 20-30ppg more than Hille and Fev will average about 15ppg more than Lucas (all IMO though). By going option 1 you are gaining points and a captain option. Obviously it depends what you think those players will average though.

I agree with your average estimates.
The only maybe is Lucas, a bit of an unknown cos of injuries.

 

[#6 Mark Williams]

I reckon Kornes is now off-limits, although he got 31 possessions tonight, which is great of course, the fact that he could only convert it into 91 SC points, is the last straw in my books. He's proven throughout 2008 and this pre-season can't even put up 100+ scores with multiple touches and the fact he is regularly tagging every week, even in NAB, just proves to me he is a lock-out, everyone agree?

 

[Spartan]

I reckon Kornes is now off-limits, although he got 31 possessions tonight, which is great of course, the fact that he could only convert it into 91 SC points, is the last straw in my books. He's proven throughout 2008 and this pre-season can't even put up 100+ scores with multiple touches and the fact he is regularly tagging every week, even in NAB, just proves to me he is a lock-out, everyone agree?

No. I don't agree.

Kornes has never really had perfect disposal. His SC points come from hard ball gets, tackles and shit like that. There are plenty of options around 500k but I wouldn't be discounting him yet.

By the above arguement Dal Santo who had 27 touches and 8 marks for 93 SC points against Brisbane is off-limits. Better scrap Chapman whos 25 touches and 1 goal today could only get 71 SC points. While we're at it we should also write off Delidio whos 25 touches and 6 marks could only get 75 SC points last night.

By the way Kornes scored 47 points last week (tagging o'keefe) in one half off 11 disposals.

 

[#6 Mark Williams]

No. I don't agree.

Kornes has never really had perfect disposal. His SC points come from hard ball gets, tackles and shit like that. There are plenty of options around 500k but I wouldn't be discounting him yet.

By the above arguement Dal Santo who had 27 touches and 8 marks for 93 SC points against Brisbane is off-limits. Better scrap Chapman whos 25 touches and 1 goal today could only get 71 SC points. While we're at it we should also write off Delidio whos 25 touches and 6 marks could only get 75 SC points last night.

By the way Kornes scored 47 points last week (tagging o'keefe) in one half off 11 disposals.

He's proven throughout 2008 and this pre-season can't even put up 100+ scores with multiple touches and the fact he is regularly tagging every week, even in NAB, just proves to me he is a lock-out, everyone agree?

You are making rubbish comparisons and being ridiculous, had you of read my post carefully (indicated by bold), you would have realised I was mainly referring to his 08 season (97 DT, 93 SC) and this NAB match as being the last straw in terms of me considering him.

I'm not isolating one off games like you are doing above, I'm referring it to the whole of last season, where I bet if you did a bit of research with a large sample space you would find out that all your facts above are the exact reverse of what you are saying, as these players generally always have higher SC scores than DT scores.

Do you understand now were I'm coming from?

 

[sblack]

You are making rubbish comparisons and being ridiculous, had you of read my post carefully (indicated by bold), you would have realised I was mainly referring to his 08 season (97 DT, 93 SC) and this NAB match as being the last straw in terms of me considering him.

I'm not isolating one off games like you are doing above, I'm referring it to the whole of last season, where I bet if you did a bit of research with a large sample space you would find out that all your facts above are the exact reverse of what you are saying, as these players generally always have higher SC scores than DT scores.

Do you understand now were I'm coming from?

Maybe you should take from a larger sample space. What Spartan is saying is that despite Kornes poor disposal, he has always managed to score. Look at his stats from past years, where he has pretty much played the same outside running defending midfielder

2005: 106.3
2006: 105.8
2007: 112.3
2008: 93.7

The anomaly is clearly visible. Why base a player on one year instead of his whole career. Kornes has shown over his career that he has been able to score despite debilitating abilities such as poor disposal. So why discount him when he hasn't changed how he plays, but has had an off season

And for what it is worth he turned his 31 touches today into 104. Adjusted for real game time.

I also may have totally missed the point here, but oh well

 

[Spartan]

You are making rubbish comparisons and being ridiculous, had you of read my post carefully (indicated by bold), you would have realised I was mainly referring to his 08 season (97 DT, 93 SC) and this NAB match as being the last straw in terms of me considering him.

I'm not isolating one off games like you are doing above, I'm referring it to the whole of last season, where I bet if you did a bit of research with a large sample space you would find out that all your facts above are the exact reverse of what you are saying, as these players generally always have higher SC scores than DT scores.

Do you understand now were I'm coming from?

You're funny. You make me laugh. But for the wrong reasons.

In addition to what sblack said above..

"He's proven throughout 2008 and this pre-season can't even put up 100+ scores with multiple touches and the fact he is regularly tagging every week, even in NAB, just proves to me he is a lock-out, everyone agree?"

The first game of this "pre-season" he scored 47 off 11 disposals. 47 SC / 33 DT ratio. Thats something even Dalsanto and Gilbee would be proud of. Yes its an isolation game, however i'm pointing out that if he played the whole game he would have cracked 100 (adjusted for real game time) just like he would have again cracked 100 in today's game.

1. So thats pretty much two 100pt games to start the pre-season off.

2. He scored over 100pts in 10 games out of 22 in 2008 (and almost got there in another 2 games).

Kornes has always been a 'lock out' player.

Kornes has always got a shitload of possessions.

He hasn't changed the way he plays. He scores points for hard ball gets, tackles and sheer number of possessions and loses points for shizenhousen disposal.

My example of scores from Dalsanto, Delidio and Chapman were merely to highlight the fact that sometimes high numbers of possessions do not translate into high SC scores, even for players like Dalsanto.

Perhaps insted of running your mouth whenever someone doesn't agree with you try and understand that everyone has their own opinion and this is a forum where we can share our opinions.

Do you understand now where i am coming from?

 

[Daitro]

Kornes kicking efficiency prior to last year has always been in the mid 70s. in 2008 it dropped markedly to 66%.

so what you guys are saying isn't quite correct. he wasn't scoring highly despite poor efficiency in previous years. he was just way more efficient by foot.

Salopek, Chad, the Burgoynes (even Cassissi who had a career year) all had their kicking efficiency drop similarly. increased opposition pressure in the midfield of an ailing team with no confidence and little incentive to win games towards the end of the season may have been a factor. or maybe they had trouble adapting to a new game plan?

 

[Itsblackandwhite]

Nathan Krakouer vs Vezpremi ??

Whos likely to be in the 22

Heard Krakouer had a good pre season, was amongst the points against the cats