The on topic thread 4.0

[Bojan KantKick]

Then perhaps you need to proof read what you're sending.

This all started because of a discussion about the right for religious people to not support gay rights, and are suggesting that 'respect is a two way street'. So you're suggesting that unless gay people respect religious people they shouldn't expect respect back. If that's not your suggestion then perhaps have a re-think.

Respect is a two way street. Muslims not wearing an armband or a jacket is not a sign of disrespect for an individual or group. Like wearing or not wearing a poppy on rememberance day. I wouldn't expect Turkish people to wear one or Indians.

Many religions including Islam, Christianity and Judaism consider homosexuality as immoral and forbidden (by them).

But religion largely teaches people to judge others by the content of their character. Sure there are extreme sections of all religions but they are outliers.

If you want to condense millions of gay, lesbian, bi, transgender, etc peoples character into one movement or one event then so be it.

I won't judge all religious people by what religion they follow. Live and let live. Do your thing and don't go out of your way to harm other people whatever colour, identity, creed or whatever they are. If they are violent in action or hurtful and disrespectful with their words, for example Israel Folau, then that should be condemned.

I'm generally against imposing your beliefs on others and respect people's right to have a different viewpoint. I'm not a religious person despite my parents best efforts and have loads of lesbian friends. We talk about all kinds of things and very rarely their sexual orientation because they don't live their lives through that. Same thing with my friends of various different Faith's, it doesn't define them.

Anyway, it appears as though you are quite intolerant of religion. With this in mind it is unlikely that you will consider a different point of view so this discussion should conclude.

 

[bok_party]

Then perhaps you need to proof read what you're sending.

This all started because of a discussion about the right for religious people to not support gay rights, and are suggesting that 'respect is a two way street'. So you're suggesting that unless gay people respect religious people they shouldn't expect respect back. If that's not your suggestion then perhaps have a re-think.

This is how I interpreted it.

 

[chef]

 

[jod23]

12 spots from Europe.

City, Madrid and Chelsea qualify as champions league winners in the past 4 years.

Co-efficients decide who gets the remaining places with the exception that if a country has two spots already, they can't get a third via the co-efficient route.

Bayern Munich, PSG, Dortmund, Inter, Porto, Atletico Madrid, Benfica, Juventus, Salzburg.

Liverpool, Leipzig, Barcelona, Napoli, Sevilla, AC Milan would have qualified if there wasn't already 2 qualified clubs from their country.

So next year Liverpool will be in regardless I guess? Cos Chelsea's CL will be more than 4 years ago or?

 

[SM]

Respect is a two way street. Muslims not wearing an armband or a jacket is not a sign of disrespect for an individual or group. Like wearing or not wearing a poppy on rememberance day. I wouldn't expect Turkish people to wear one or Indians.

Many religions including Islam, Christianity and Judaism consider homosexuality as immoral and forbidden (by them).

But religion largely teaches people to judge others by the content of their character. Sure there are extreme sections of all religions but they are outliers.

If you want to condense millions of gay, lesbian, bi, transgender, etc peoples character into one movement or one event then so be it.

I won't judge all religious people by what religion they follow. Live and let live. Do your thing and don't go out of your way to harm other people whatever colour, identity, creed or whatever they are. If they are violent in action or hurtful and disrespectful with their words, for example Israel Folau, then that should be condemned.

I'm generally against imposing your beliefs on others and respect people's right to have a different viewpoint. I'm not a religious person despite my parents best efforts and have loads of lesbian friends. We talk about all kinds of things and very rarely their sexual orientation because they don't live their lives through that. Same thing with my friends of various different Faith's, it doesn't define them.

Anyway, it appears as though you are quite intolerant of religion. With this in mind it is unlikely that you will consider a different point of view so this discussion should conclude.

Once again you've entirely missed the point of the discussion. The discussion wasn't about Mazraoui wearing or not wearing the jacket and no one has suggested he should have been forced to. The point, and the outrage, is over the rest of the United squad coddling him because he needed to be 'stood up for' or whatever weird BS is being used to justify it.

Yes, I'm intolerant of intolerance. Saying that I need to be tolerant of intolerance in order to not be hypocritical is idiotic.

 

[chef]

So next year Liverpool will be in regardless I guess? Cos Chelsea's CL will be more than 4 years ago or?

Is the tournament every 4 years?

 

[Zidane98]

What's wrong with giving a two touch free kick in the box as per current rules?

 

[Zidane98]

My idea for the Club World Cup. 32 or 64 team knockout tournament. 32 or 64 of the top ranked leagues 1st div champions qualify. Max 5-6 games instead of 7.

My idea is Champions of South America play Champions of Europe over two legs and that's it. Too many games, too many cups, too many tournaments. Every 2 years there's an international tournament in summer. Every other summer players need a rest.

 

[Zidane98]

What a farce it is with non professional Auckland City FC playing in this group.


Oceania confederation really needs to be folded into AFC as a sub association.

 

[Zidane98]

Also can Harry Kane manage to dodge the CWC trophy?

 

[Frank Bunn]

What's wrong with giving a two touch free kick in the box as per current rules?

Everyone ignores the 6 second rule but the principle is correct. Maybe change it to 10 or 12 seconds rather than a corner so that Stoke City and Arsenal get an advantage.

 

[Zidane98]

Everyone ignores the 6 second rule but the principle is correct. Maybe change it to 10 or 12 seconds rather than a corner so that Stoke City and Arsenal get an advantage.

Yeah that makes more sense. 6 seconds seems too quick. Sometimes a keeper is on the ground, needs to get up to release the ball.

Change it officially to 10 seconds and enforcing it religiously should do the trick.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Yeah that makes more sense. 6 seconds seems too quick. Sometimes a keeper is on the ground, needs to get up to release the ball.

Change it officially to 10 seconds and enforcing it religiously should do the trick.

Let's not bring religion into this!

 

[Zidane98]

Everyone ignores the 6 second rule but the principle is correct. Maybe change it to 10 or 12 seconds rather than a corner so that Stoke City and Arsenal get an advantage.

Thinking more about this it is almost never called. Here's one hilarious example of how long a keeper can take:

Klopp trolls Mignolet after Liverpool goalkeeper's time-wasting error

Mignolet held onto the football for 22 seconds which resulted in Bordeaux taking the lead after an indirect free-kick was awarded in the area

www.independent.co.uk

22 seconds ffs lol.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Once again you've entirely missed the point of the discussion. The discussion wasn't about Mazraoui wearing or not wearing the jacket and no one has suggested he should have been forced to. The point, and the outrage, is over the rest of the United squad coddling him because he needed to be 'stood up for' or whatever weird BS is being used to justify it.

Yes, I'm intolerant of intolerance. Saying that I need to be tolerant of intolerance in order to not be hypocritical is idiotic.

No. That is your interpretation. Imagine respecting and supporting your peers. I doubt you do though. 85% of the worlds population hold religious beliefs. I guess that makes you king of the bigots.

Regarding the United squad, we have had quite a few Muslim players of late so it's not particularly surprising.

 

[SM]

No. That is your interpretation. Imagine respecting and supporting your peers. I doubt you do though. 85% of the worlds population hold religious beliefs. I guess that makes you king of the bigots.

Regarding the United squad, we have had quite a few Muslim players of late so it's not particularly surprising.

As I said earlier, accept the L and move on.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

As I said earlier, accept the L and move on.

I'm alright thanks.

 

[bok_party]

Hiding behind religion to allow bigotry to take place should not be accepted.

 

[largebus]

The whole thing is disappointing but entirely predictable. Just look at the shitstorm when the Manly players refused to wear Pride jerseys. It's probably put off the AFL from trying anything like that for years. There'd be a few more closet Izzy Folaus coming out of the woodwork if they did.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I guess we did win a Champions League title kind of recently and maybe our coefficient?
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12 spots from Europe.

City, Madrid and Chelsea qualify as champions league winners in the past 4 years.

Co-efficients decide who gets the remaining places with the exception that if a country has two spots already, they can't get a third via the co-efficient route.

Bayern Munich, PSG, Dortmund, Inter, Porto, Atletico Madrid, Benfica, Juventus, Salzburg.

Liverpool, Leipzig, Barcelona, Napoli, Sevilla, AC Milan would have qualified if there wasn't already 2 qualified clubs from their country.

So its wank garbage aimed at more $$$$
FIFA on brand as always.

My idea for the Club World Cup. 32 or 64 team knockout tournament. 32 or 64 of the top ranked leagues 1st div champions qualify. Max 5-6 games instead of 7.

There's too much football as is though. UEFA competitions just got more matches.

 

[RPCB]

What a farce it is with non professional Auckland City FC playing in this group.


Oceania confederation really needs to be folded into AFC as a sub association.

Why? It’s fantastic for them. Auckland could either play in a much “easier” group and not make the knockout stage, or rub shoulders with some of the best footballers in the planet in all three matches.

 

[chef]

So its wank garbage aimed at more $$$$
FIFA on brand as always.

I guess you don't have to watch it if you don't want to haha.

I'm pretty keen to see how we go.

 

[moomba]

So its wank garbage aimed at more $$$$
FIFA on brand as always.

I wonder if any qualification setup short of cancelling the competition would be acceptable to you.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I wonder if any qualification setup short of cancelling the competition would be acceptable to you.

You make this too easy. Couldn't have set this up better for a one line retort if you tried.

It was unnecessary when played by a small few clubs in season, now it's a joke adding to the games played, and shortening players breaks. Something players and managers have been complaining about for a while.

 

[moomba]

You make this too easy. Couldn't have set this up better for a one line retort if you tried.

It was unnecessary when played by a small few clubs in season, now it's a joke adding to the games played, and shortening players breaks. Something players and managers have been complaining about for a while.

As I suspected.