The Otherworldly Circus - The America Thread

[Glaeken Oracle]

Shame Harris was not the choice for the top job.
She is smart , educated and articulate , very impressive woman.

Those 4 adjectives don’t exactly describe the current leader of the free world !

Some other world leaders would struggle to claim all 4 as well!

 

[goodcop badcop]

Whats your interpretation of what being a Marxist means ?

Basically to overthrow capitalism across the globe because it's oppressive and not an equal system. Then pretty much lead the world to a communist system.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Weren't people on here saying Antifa doesn't exist? And I have heard one or two proponents of the BLM movement comment on the rioting saying stuff like 'we can't tell people how to grieve' - so not denouncing rioting and looting. Don't know how many of them have the same attitude.

This from today.

Black Lives Matter Chicago said early Monday's looting of stores was a form of 'reparations' as the group held a protest Monday night in support of the more than 100 people arrested after an evening of violence.

Ariel Atkins, a BLM organizer, called the looting 'reparations'.

'I don’t care if someone decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike store, because that makes sure that person eats,' Atkins said. 'That makes sure that person has clothes.

'Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these businesses have insurance.'

Chicago goes into lockdown after night of chaos led to 100 arrests

Chicago is bracing for another night of looting and violence, after a wave of lawlessness in the early hours of Monday. Drawbridges to downtown were closed and SWAT police patrolled.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[BEaston]

This from today.

Black Lives Matter Chicago said early Monday's looting of stores was a form of 'reparations' as the group held a protest Monday night in support of the more than 100 people arrested after an evening of violence.

Ariel Atkins, a BLM organizer, called the looting 'reparations'.

'I don’t care if someone decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike store, because that makes sure that person eats,' Atkins said. 'That makes sure that person has clothes.

'Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these businesses have insurance.'

Chicago goes into lockdown after night of chaos led to 100 arrests

Chicago is bracing for another night of looting and violence, after a wave of lawlessness in the early hours of Monday. Drawbridges to downtown were closed and SWAT police patrolled.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Personally think the linking of looting/rioting to racially based police brutality is generally a subterfuge strategy used to divert attention away from the real issues.

You can see it in those people who didn't have a word to speak of regarding BLM or deaths/violence by police, etc but as soon as something negative can be attached to it they all come out of the woodwork.

Did you watch the video I posted of the Portland rioting ? Paints a picture or who some of those people are. I'm sure some others are living in poverty and need to steal shit to eat, as she describes. I'm sure there's others doing it just cos they can.

Ariel Atkins is basketball player. She's just one person, by attempting to link her comments to a whole civil rights movement is just ignorant or deliberately obfuscating. Not surprising from a trash media outlet like daily mail that wants to push an obvious narrative which suckers people in.

 

[Fossie 32]

Personally think the linking of looting/rioting to racially based police brutality is generally a subterfuge strategy used to divert attention away from the real issues.

You can see it in those people who didn't have a word to speak of regarding BLM or deaths/violence by police, etc but as soon as something negative can be attached to it they all come out of the woodwork.

Did you watch the video I posted of the Portland rioting ? Paints a picture or who some of those people are. I'm sure some others are living in poverty and need to steal sh*t to eat, as she describes. I'm sure there's others doing it just cos they can.

Ariel Atkins is basketball player. She's just one person, by attempting to link her comments to a whole civil rights movement is just ignorant or deliberately obfuscating. Not surprising from a trash media outlet like daily mail that wants to push an obvious narrative which suckers people in.

Huh? Is it a coincidence it started right after the R King incident?

 

[Mofra]

Military officials in extraordinary Trump letter

President Trump’s top military man has just been delivered an extraordinary request by two senior military staffers in a worst case scenario following the upcoming US election.

www.news.com.au

 

[Pugz89]

Military officials in extraordinary Trump letter

President Trump’s top military man has just been delivered an extraordinary request by two senior military staffers in a worst case scenario following the upcoming US election.

www.news.com.au

“We do not live in ordinary times. The president of the United States is actively subverting our electoral system, threatening to remain in office in defiance of our Constitution. In a few months’ time, you may have to choose between defying a lawless president or betraying your Constitutional oath. We write to assist you in thinking clearly about that choice."

It is easy to throw words around, but I've yet to see any actual proof he is trying to actively subvert the electoral system or threaten to remain in office in defiance of the US constitution.

 

[LittleG]

“We do not live in ordinary times. The president of the United States is actively subverting our electoral system, threatening to remain in office in defiance of our Constitution. In a few months’ time, you may have to choose between defying a lawless president or betraying your Constitutional oath. We write to assist you in thinking clearly about that choice."

It is easy to throw words around, but I've yet to see any actual proof he is trying to actively subvert the electoral system or threaten to remain in office in defiance of the US constitution.

GOP is not giving extra funding to the states to run the election. Most state governments will either need to enlarge polling places to reach CDC guidelines regarding social distancing OR count millions of mail in votes. The result will be probably 4-6 weeks late, due to not enough money being spent on counting postal votes.


Are those good enough reasons? Do you need more?


Additional:
Trump has also refused to guarantee he would abide by the results of the election.

 

[Mofra]

“We do not live in ordinary times. The president of the United States is actively subverting our electoral system, threatening to remain in office in defiance of our Constitution. In a few months’ time, you may have to choose between defying a lawless president or betraying your Constitutional oath. We write to assist you in thinking clearly about that choice."

It is easy to throw words around, but I've yet to see any actual proof he is trying to actively subvert the electoral system or threaten to remain in office in defiance of the US constitution.

Really? You musn't be looking very hard.
He has started a campaign against mail-in voting (despite using it himself in Florida) and the GOP have a long history of gerrymandering, and then there's the voter ID scandals. That's before you consider ease of polling in predominantly black neighbourhoods compared to white neighbourhoods.

He not even confirmed he would accept electoral defeat. The letter is in response to very real situations.

 

[Pugz89]

GOP is not giving extra funding to the states to run the election. Most state governments will either need to enlarge polling places to reach CDC guidelines regarding social distancing OR count millions of mail in votes. The result will be probably 4-6 weeks late, due to not enough money being spent on counting postal votes.


Are those good enough reasons? Do you need more?

But if that is consistent across all states, it is not as if it favours GOP or DNC in particular. 4-6 weeks late is not good, but it is not unconstitutional. The 2000 US election was decided in the Supreme Court after more than a month of recounts in Florida, there is no rule saying a President-elect needs to be announced on the night. Just means that if Biden was to win, the transition period would be considerably shorter than normal before inauguration.

 

[Pugz89]

Really? You musn't be looking very hard.
He has started a campaign against mail-in voting (despite using it himself in Florida) and the GOP have a long history of gerrymandering, and then there's the voter ID scandals. That's before you consider ease of polling in predominantly black neighbourhoods compared to white neighbourhoods.

He not even confirmed he would accept electoral defeat. The letter is in response to very real situations.

I'll admit I don't know much about gerrymandering and whether it is as partisan as has been reported. To be fair though, there has been voter fraud before. More than a million Californians were on the voting roll when they were dead, moved to another state etc. Clean up the voter rolls and I doubt there would be any issues with voter fraud, therefore it would be an election of integrity.

Anyway, none of those reasons have shown that Trump will stay in beyond his term even if Biden is elected. He will leave if he loses imo, so all this is for nothing anyway.

 

[LittleG]

But if that is consistent across all states, it is not as if it favours GOP or DNC in particular. 4-6 weeks late is not good, but it is not unconstitutional. The 2000 US election was decided in the Supreme Court after more than a month of recounts in Florida, there is no rule saying a President-elect needs to be announced on the night. Just means that if Biden was to win, the transition period would be considerably shorter than normal before inauguration.

IF you go to the US on polling day and visit the polling booths, you will change your mind. In a largely African American area with 1 booth, you can wait 6+ hours to vote. 50km away in a largely white area, there were 4 polling booths with less than a minute wait. In the African American booth, it was using only 1/4 of the available space and could easily have been made larger. That booth was to service 20 times the number of people compared to the booths 50km away.

I was with a GOP political operative during my US visit. He showed me how they suppressed the vote effectively. He started my ‘education’ that led to me opening my eyes.

One thing we have in Australia is the AEC who do a good job.

 

[LittleG]

I'll admit I don't know much about gerrymandering and whether it is as partisan as has been reported. To be fair though, there has been voter fraud before. More than a million Californians were on the voting roll when they were dead, moved to another state etc. Clean up the voter rolls and I doubt there would be any issues with voter fraud, therefore it would be an election of integrity.

Anyway, none of those reasons have shown that Trump will stay in beyond his term even if Biden is elected. He will leave if he loses imo, so all this is for nothing anyway.

Trump hasn’t agreed that he will accept the result. Which is why all this news is coming up.

An example of gerrymandering:
My cousin lives in the US. He is a registered DNC member and has been moved from his current booth, where all his neighbours vote, to one 10km away. He along with 6 other people he knows are no longer in their marginal GOP seat.

 

[Mofra]

I'll admit I don't know much about gerrymandering and whether it is as partisan as has been reported. To be fair though, there has been voter fraud before. More than a million Californians were on the voting roll when they were dead, moved to another state etc. Clean up the voter rolls and I doubt there would be any issues with voter fraud, therefore it would be an election of integrity.

A million? Where did you source this?
This article says 458,000 changes since the last election, including residents who have moved address.

Will Hundreds Of Thousands Of Vote-By-Mail Ballots Go To Californians Who Have Died Or Moved? Election Experts Are Skeptical.

Election officials say the claim ignores measures used to to update voter rolls and the safeguards in place to prevent fraud.

www.capradio.org

Anyway, none of those reasons have shown that Trump will stay in beyond his term even if Biden is elected. He will leave if he loses imo, so all this is for nothing anyway.

They are separate issues.
Trump has not promised he will vacate the WH post election, hence the extraordinary step by two US Generals. This issue is a very real one.

 

[King Harold]

A million? Where did you source this?
This article says 458,000 changes since the last election, including residents who have moved address.

Will Hundreds Of Thousands Of Vote-By-Mail Ballots Go To Californians Who Have Died Or Moved? Election Experts Are Skeptical.

Election officials say the claim ignores measures used to to update voter rolls and the safeguards in place to prevent fraud.

www.capradio.org

They are separate issues.
Trump has not promised he will vacate the WH post election, hence the extraordinary step by two US Generals. This issue is a very real one.

Mofra my friend, if our colleague Pugz hasn’t worked out who Trump is ,and is capable of ,then frankly he never will.

 

[Pugz89]

A million? Where did you source this?
This article says 458,000 changes since the last election, including residents who have moved address.

Will Hundreds Of Thousands Of Vote-By-Mail Ballots Go To Californians Who Have Died Or Moved? Election Experts Are Skeptical.

Election officials say the claim ignores measures used to to update voter rolls and the safeguards in place to prevent fraud.

www.capradio.org

They are separate issues.
Trump has not promised he will vacate the WH post election, hence the extraordinary step by two US Generals. This issue is a very real one.

Ok, sorry. I thought it was a million. 458,000 is still a lot though. Also, Barack Obama never promised he will vacate the WH post election. I don't believe any president has been on record stating it in those words tbh. Anyway, I know I am in the minority. I will shut up now.

 

[BrisDog]

Ok, sorry. I thought it was a million. 458,000 is still a lot though. Also, Barack Obama never promised he will vacate the WH post election. I don't believe any president has been on record stating it in those words tbh. Anyway, I know I am in the minority. I will shut up now.

On the record Trump said he would ‘wait and see’ if he would accept the 2020 election results.

That is not good.

 

[Pugz89]

On the record Trump said he would ‘wait and see’ if he would accept the 2020 election results.

That is not good.

It isn't, I agree.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

The question of leaving office after the election was just another in the daily torrent of distractions that Trump trots out as he attempts to gaslight an entire nation and to divert attention away from his appalling handling of the pandemic.

Until Trump gave a typically ambiguous answer as to whether he would leave office should he be defeated at the election, the notion of a president not doing so was seen as absurd.

It's the very reason that Obama, who not only understood the constitution but actually taught the subject at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years never had to spell it out.

Neither of which is a claim that the lawless Dolt-In-Chief can make.

 

[Next Waiting]

IF you go to the US on polling day and visit the polling booths, you will change your mind. In a largely African American area with 1 booth, you can wait 6+ hours to vote. 50km away in a largely white area, there were 4 polling booths with less than a minute wait. In the African American booth, it was using only 1/4 of the available space and could easily have been made larger. That booth was to service 20 times the number of people compared to the booths 50km away.

I was with a GOP political operative during my US visit. He showed me how they suppressed the vote effectively. He started my ‘education’ that led to me opening my eyes.

One thing we have in Australia is the AEC who do a good job.

Trump hasn’t agreed that he will accept the result. Which is why all this news is coming up.

An example of gerrymandering:
My cousin lives in the US. He is a registered DNC member and has been moved from his current booth, where all his neighbours vote, to one 10km away. He along with 6 other people he knows are no longer in their marginal GOP seat.

It's just so extraordinary and an affront to our concept of a fair go. It's one $#@^ed up country where an arseh*le like this can a) be embraced by anyone and b) elected to the most powerful position in international politics by people who have the right to choose . What's wrong with these f%$3ing people!

 

[LittleG]

It's just so extraordinary and an affront to our concept of a fair go. It's one $#@^ed up country where an arseh*le like this can a) be embraced by anyone and b) elected to the most powerful position in international politics by people who have the right to choose . What's wrong with these f%$3ing people!

Occasionally you hear voices here calling for optional voting and complain about redistribution taking away their seats.
Our system keeps us more central and hopefully we add a strong anti-corruption body to the mix, once we get rid of our current government.

Note:
I prefer a conservative government just not within a string anti corruption watchdog.

 

[Wizard17]

Occasionally you hear voices here calling for optional voting and complain about redistribution taking away their seats.
Our system keeps us more central and hopefully we add a strong anti-corruption body to the mix, once we get rid of our current government.

Note:
I prefer a conservative government just not within a string anti corruption watchdog.

Australia needs a anti corruption watchdog badly both for State and Federal. So many scandals ranging from giving mates huge government grants for the reef instead of appropriate organisations, the security contractors run out of a hut on kangaroo island and what is going on in S.A. right now.

 

[LittleG]

Good scientific based assessment of why the Coronavirus is about to get much worse in the US.

 

[Dogs Rule]

166k Americans dead from COVID and the Prez....

You can’t make this stuff up.

The US president’s hair-washing complaints have prompted a proposal on easing of shower-pressure standards.

The Trump administration presented rule changes that would allow showerheads to boost water pressure, after Donald Trump complained that bathroom fixtures do not work to his liking.

The Department of Energy plan followed Trump's comments last month at a White House event on rolling back regulations where he said he believed water does not come out fast enough from fixtures. ‘My hair … I don’t know about you, but it has to be perfect,' he said.

'My hair has to be perfect': Trump prompts change in showerhead rule – video

The Trump administration proposed rule changes that would allow shower heads to boost water pressure, after Donald Trump repeatedly complained that bathroom fixtures did not work to his liking

www.theguardian.com

 

[Glaeken Oracle]

166k Americans dead from COVID and the Prez....

You can’t make this stuff up.

The US president’s hair-washing complaints have prompted a proposal on easing of shower-pressure standards.

The Trump administration presented rule changes that would allow showerheads to boost water pressure, after Donald Trump complained that bathroom fixtures do not work to his liking.

The Department of Energy plan followed Trump's comments last month at a White House event on rolling back regulations where he said he believed water does not come out fast enough from fixtures. ‘My hair … I don’t know about you, but it has to be perfect,' he said.

'My hair has to be perfect': Trump prompts change in showerhead rule – video

The Trump administration proposed rule changes that would allow shower heads to boost water pressure, after Donald Trump repeatedly complained that bathroom fixtures did not work to his liking

www.theguardian.com

So that person with the gun at the White House the other day, how close did they get to him? And does he still do any outside pressers? Asking for a friend.