Roast The Problem That Remains With Our List

[Psicosis]

For a long time I think our list has severely lacked in two areas.

The most prominent area being players with outside run and skill. For as long as I can remember we haven't been a polished side, it is something which has been prevalent for the last decade. Boomer Harvey and Daniel Wells were for a long time our only really damaging outside players. NDS was a good pickup, but with his age is definitely not a long term fix. All three are in the last few years of their careers. This is a very concerning issue IMO. Skill-full outside players don't exactly grow on trees, and with all three of these players likely to hang up their boots in the next few years, we have sweet f*** all to replace them, and all of a sudden we will be in a worse situation then we are now. The addition of Atley and Mullett has definitely helped our run and carry, however we still lack young players with the combination of elite pace and skill. This is a serious problem.

Another issue has been key forwards. Drew has always been an honest good KPF, and has had a couple very good seasons, however he is reaching the end, and our forward stocks are in all sorts. Obviously Majak and Brown are projects. Black has shown he is talented but has serious issues with his game currently. There are a couple untried options with Wood and Curren also, however despite their level of promise, to rest the faith of a clubs forward line on them is unacceptable. It is an issue, when Drew leaves our forward line is a big BIG problem, especially if one of Daw, Tarrant, Brown or Black don't take the step to the next level, which at this point seems likely. This is another serious problem.

My point is that when Harvey, Petrie, NDS and Wells all move on which will be in the next couple years, our current list issues are only going to get worse. The club needs to try something different, I've been all for taking the best available talent until now, we need to fill these holes otherwise we are going to seriously pay for them over the next few years.

 

[Jack Reacher]

Daw is as useless as **** on a bull, there is no way he should be getting a game, trade/delist, im over it.

 

[Harris 10]

For a long time I think our list has severely lacked in two areas.

The most prominent area being players with outside run and skill. For as long as I can remember we haven't been a polished side, it is something which has been prevalent for the last decade. Boomer Harvey and Daniel Wells were for a long time our only really damaging outside players. NDS was a good pickup, but with his age is definitely not a long term fix. All three are in the last few years of their careers. This is a very concerning issue IMO. Skill-full outside players don't exactly grow on trees, and with all three of these players likely to hang up their boots in the next few years, we have sweet f*** all to replace them, and all of a sudden we will be in a worse situation then we are now. The addition of Atley and Mullett has definitely helped our run and carry, however we still lack young players with the combination of elite pace and skill. This is a serious problem.

Another issue has been key forwards. Drew has always been an honest good KPF, and has had a couple very good seasons, however he is reaching the end, and our forward stocks are in all sorts. Obviously Majak and Brown are projects. Black has shown he is talented but has serious issues with his game currently. There are a couple untried options with Wood and Curren also, however despite their level of promise, to rest the faith of a clubs forward line on them is unacceptable. It is an issue, when Drew leaves our forward line is a big BIG problem, especially if one of Daw, Tarrant, Brown or Black don't take the step to the next level, which at this point seems likely. This is another serious problem.

My point is that when Harvey, Petrie, NDS and Wells all move on which will be in the next couple years, our current list issues are only going to get worse. The club needs to try something different, I've been all for taking the best available talent until now, we need to fill these holes otherwise we are going to seriously pay for them over the next few years.

We lack class.

 

[Zondor]

Pace and Skill you say?

I've been trying to tell you turkeys for years we need "Pace and Skill" but did anybody want to listen?

Look at Geelong. Stokes, Varcoe, Christensen, Motlop to name just a few.

Our list Management has been ordinary. We have too many inside mids and mid paced outside types on our list. The balance is out. I'm not saying we need a list of just outside types with the ability to run and carry. What we need is to get the balance right. :stern look

 

[King Corey]

Key forwards are hellishly hard to find and we haven't passed on any/many quality ones. We've also tried some left-field options here so I can accept we are where we are in this area.

However we've been completely negligent with drafting speed and outside players. The fact we delisted Campbell and didn't look to bring in any equivalent last year was puzzling to say the least.

Not that it means much but an oddity of our drafting under Brad Scott has been that we've drafted only 1 indigenous player (rookie Malcolm Lynch) in 5 years.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Pace and Skill you say?

I've been trying to tell you turkeys for years we need "Pace and Skill" but did anybody want to listen?

Look at Geelong. Stokes, Varcoe, Christensen, Motlop to name just a few.

Our list Management has been ordinary. We have too many inside mids and mid paced outside types on our list. The balance is out. I'm not saying we need a list of just outside types with the ability to run and carry. What we need is to get the balance right. :stern look

Agree, although putting Varcoe in that list is a bit of a stretch. He is a crab of the highest order. I would have put Murdoch in instead, his pace is up there with anyone.

We've tried with Harper but injuries and inability to impact the stat sheet hurts. Garner too is one that could play that role. Probably the most disapointing, for me is Mullet. he should be the one giving us run outside the contest but unfortunately he is giving us doughnuts.

Needs to be fixed at the trade/draft table.

 

[Zondor]

I miss Matt Campbell. :stern look

 

[The Roosistence]

Pace and Skill you say?

I've been trying to tell you turkeys for years we need "Pace and Skill" but did anybody want to listen?

Look at Geelong. Stokes, Varcoe, Christensen, Motlop to name just a few.

Our list Management has been ordinary. We have too many inside mids and mid paced outside types on our list. The balance is out. I'm not saying we need a list of just outside types with the ability to run and carry. What we need is to get the balance right. :stern look

In all seriousness Varcoe and Stokes are average at best.

We've been unlucky that Harper hasn't come on. But looking over the drafts we haven't targeted anyone with pace for quite some time. Our squad was in shambles a few years ago so we needed to fill a number of holes in the team. Our pick first pick has always been the best available (happens to be ball winners like Cunnington, Jack, Basti etc).

Definitely a need now. Only problem is the fast silky players tend to have trouble finding the pill

 

[Hazey1977]

Anyone have thoughts on us passing up Kennedy Harris for Dumont? I don't know enough about either to have an opinion other than right now a quick fwd to put defensive pressure on could help.

 

[justroyal]

Even harper at his worst probably would have fitted into the performance during the last quarter.

Black needs to improve his aerobic endurance and learn to out run his defenders, make more room. Be able to break from them quicker and more effectively. He is 23 I'll give him that atm. But that is just for the moment.

I seriously just want to know was I being to hard of gibson last night?

 

[Zondor]

Guys Stokes can run and carry. So can Varcoe. Genuine breaking of the lines. Don't start with the "they aren't that good crap". They balance the Geelong side. Balance. ****en Balance. :stern look

 

[DCS OO7]

The list is one of a few problems.

The only players i see that have developed this year is Thomas, Greenwood, Hansen.

Further more, the harsh reality is that playing with Daw in the team basically puts us one man short on the park every week, I have never seen someone so useless.

We also don't have not even one mongrel player in this team to go up and confront opposition players when were being attacked. How many times i seen Kelly, Selwood, Johnson give it to our players and not even one player has any mongrel in them to fire back.

 

[Hazey1977]

Even harper at his worst probably would have fitted into the performance during the last quarter.

Black needs to improve his aerobic endurance and learn to out run his defenders, make more room. Be able to break from them quicker and more effectively. He is 23 I'll give him that atm. But that is just for the moment.

I seriously just want to know was I being to hard of gibson last night?

Black always appears 3-4 steps behind a lot of the time. It's like he's the pig in piggy in the middle. The opposition always get more numbers to contests on our half fwd line n smash us.

 

[The Roosistence]

Anyone have thoughts on us passing up Kennedy Harris for Dumont? I don't know enough about either to have an opinion other than right now a quick fwd to put defensive pressure on could help.

Trent was highly rated and slid so a good acquisition.
Already drafted Nahas so guess the club thought he could fill the void (I thought he did until his injury)

 

[Hazey1977]

Trent was highly rated and slid so a good acquisition.
Already drafted Nahas so guess the club thought he could fill the void (I thought he did until his injury)

He was definitely performing better than any if us could've hoped I reckon. We need high tempo pressure in the fwd line to help stop the reaming we get on the counter.

 

[Zondor]

Anyone have thoughts on us passing up Kennedy Harris for Dumont? I don't know enough about either to have an opinion other than right now a quick fwd to put defensive pressure on could help.

Dumont may very well become a good player for us but what our list needed was a Kennedy Harris type. Even when we were chasing Benny J in the year previous I had my eyebrows raised. How many slowish inside types do we want on our list? :stern look

 

[shintemaster]

We also don't have not even one mongrel player in this team to go up and confront opposition players when were being attacked. How many times i seen Kelly, Selwood, Johnson give it to our players and not even one player has any mongrel in them to fire back.

While I agree with you last night is a tough example. We had 3 free kicks paid against us for looking at them in the second quarter - difficult to give it back when all you seem capable of achieving is a free or a 50.

 

[The Roosistence]

Guys Stokes can run and carry. So can Varcoe. Genuine breaking of the lines. Don't start with the "they aren't that good crap". They balance the Geelong side. Balance. ****en Balance. :stern look

Varcoe is average. Barely gets it and is much maligned by the Geelong faithful.
Stokes is a good squad player but I don't see him breaking lines. More of a nibble/crafty player.

Murdoch breaks lines.

I get your point but if you are going to make it pick actual line breakers not just the aboriginal players in a team

 

[Dirty_11]

Mullet doesn't seem to be working well as a defender at the minute. Now with the emergence of LMac and JMac's return on the horizon how about we push Mullet up to a wing. He is a beautiful kick and starting his career in defense would certainly help in this area. He has speed and the ability to kick a long goal. Worth a look at the moment because he will end up just languishing in the twos.

 

[The Roosistence]

He was definitely performing better than any if us could've hoped I reckon. We need high tempo pressure in the fwd line to help stop the reaming we get on the counter.

12 games for Melbourne, 8 goals. Will take time to develop.

I think the list management thought our squad was in a better position so chose a player who could step in straight away (Nahas).

 

[Hazey1977]

12 games for Melbourne, 8 goals. Will take time to develop.

I think the list management thought our squad was in a better position so chose a player who could step in straight away (Nahas).

Yep...sorry I was also referring to Naha's not JKH.

 

[hotham]

We need to top up with a tall backline player and a tall forward who can actually kicks goals. Before we draft any player have their feet/joints checked for any weakness etc.

 

[Zondor]

Varcoe is average. Barely gets it and is much maligned by the Geelong faithful.
Stokes is a good squad player but I don't see him breaking lines. More of a nibble/crafty player.

Murdoch breaks lines.

I get your point but if you are going to make it pick actual line breakers not just the aboriginal players in a team

It is irrelevant what your background is. If you are quick you are quick. :stern look

 

[Arthur Cloke]

I miss Matt Campbell. :stern look

Whatever happened to him? Flush was the ideal Super Sub. I assume we got a decent draft-pick for him?
Last I heard he was working for Australia Post.

 

[Tander]

Mullet doesn't seem to be working well as a defender at the minute. Now with the emergence of LMac and JMac's return on the horizon how about we push Mullet up to a wing. He is a beautiful kick and starting his career in defense would certainly help in this area. He has speed and the ability to kick a long goal. Worth a look at the moment because he will end up just languishing in the twos.[/]

Surely your not suggesting we go to plan b??