The problem with Richmond isnt player recruiting, its player development

[Embers]

Interesting comment David Rodan made the other day got me thinking. He came out and said he loves to go to training because he "learns something new every day". Now we can take this two ways. Either Port have the most fantastic super coaching team in world football who know everything. Or the more realistic outcome in that he really didnt learn that much about the game in his stay at Richmond.

Example no 2. Jarrod Oakley Nicholls. Comes to Richmond one of the skinniest blokes in the draft. Since hes been at Richmond he would be lucky to of put on 5kgs. How can a bloke like Robbie Warnock add 17kg+ yet a bloke like Oakley Nicholls at Richmond cannot add anytype of muscle definition. What about Brett Deledio. I actually think hes lost muscle since joining Richmond. Hes a good player but really in todays game how many superstars are not physically strong. Judd Cousins Kerr. All 3 are built like oxes and its a massive part of there game. Deledio is a twig. Will Thursfield. Spends 1 year out of the game. Comes back to the game a absolute twig. What the fricken hell was he doing for that one year. Surely he should of been at the gym? Im serious what did he actually do...

Another interesting point is to look at what i rate as the Tiges best 3 players this season. Nathan Foley, Jake King, Graham Polak. All 3 came to Tigerland mature aged and physically built for AFL footy. Polak learnt his trade down at Freo and put it into practice at Richmond. King did it in the VFL for Coburg. Essentially their 3 best players for the season, none of them learnt the game or built themselves up at the Richmond footy club

Its very very easy to blame player recruiting. Greg Miller isnt paid 500k per year. Terry Wallace is. Its clear as day Wallace is the problem here. Miller is drafting athletes. Its not his fault Wallace cannot turn them into AFL footballers. Tiges need a coaching cleanout and need to take a massive look at the way they bring young players into the team. Until changes are made 2011 will seem a pipe dream in the end

 

[gaelictiogar]

You make a very well made point. I don't necessarilly agree with you 100% but in general the truth - I think so anyway - is that our youngsters are as good and able as any but just don't seem to develop whilst in or near the starting line up. Why?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Terry Wallace is not interested/not capable of developing a list. Hence the reason he deserted the Bulldogs. 3 years in charge and their basic skills are deplorable. Just what has this man done in 3 years??

Wallace is just a match day coach, that's all he is. Don't think he's that good at that either. He should be sacked immediately.

 

[Embers]

You make a very well made point. I don't necessarilly agree with you 100% but in general the truth - I think so anyway - is that our youngsters are as good and able as any but just don't seem to develop whilst in or near the starting line up. Why?

The question has to be asked. What do you actually do at training. Judging by Rodan, you dont learn alot. Judging by JON you dont work out much. What does the club actually accomplish at training?

 

[eathb]

Rodan also said that he's learn't more in Port's preseason then his entire career at Richmond.

 

[Embers]

Terry Wallace is not interested/not capable of developing a list. Hence the reason he deserted the Bulldogs. 3 years in charge and their basic skills are deplorable. Just what has this man done in 3 years??

Wallace is just a match day coach, that's all he is. Don't think he's that good at that either. He should be sacked immediately.

Hes a good tactician. Your right. Hes the kind of bloke who would make a good assistant coach. He cant have the full coaching job because as I said in the opening post hes clueless in turning athletes into players and boys into men.

Rodan will be case point 1. I can see alot of current Richmond youngsters moving onto better things away from the Richmond footy club

 

[TigerGlory]

Interesting comment David Rodan made the other day got me thinking. He came out and said he loves to go to training because he "learns something new every day". Now we can take this two ways. Either Port have the most fantastic super coaching team in world football who know everything. Or the more realistic outcome in that he really didnt learn that much about the game in his stay at Richmond.

Example no 2. Jarrod Oakley Nicholls. Comes to Richmond one of the skinniest blokes in the draft. Since hes been at Richmond he would be lucky to of put on 5kgs. How can a bloke like Robbie Warnock add 17kg+ yet a bloke like Oakley Nicholls at Richmond cannot add anytype of muscle definition. What about Brett Deledio. I actually think hes lost muscle since joining Richmond. Hes a good player but really in todays game how many superstars are not physically strong. Judd Cousins Kerr. All 3 are built like oxes and its a massive part of there game. Deledio is a twig. Will Thursfield. Spends 1 year out of the game. Comes back to the game a absolute twig. What the fricken hell was he doing for that one year. Surely he should of been at the gym? Im serious what did he actually do...

Another interesting point is to look at what i rate as the Tiges best 3 players this season. Nathan Foley, Jake King, Graham Polak. All 3 came to Tigerland mature aged and physically built for AFL footy. Polak learnt his trade down at Freo and put it into practice at Richmond. King did it in the VFL for Coburg. Essentially their 3 best players for the season, none of them learnt the game or built themselves up at the Richmond footy club

Its very very easy to blame player recruiting. Greg Miller isnt paid 500k per year. Terry Wallace is. Its clear as day Wallace is the problem here. Miller is drafting athletes. Its not his fault Wallace cannot turn them into AFL footballers. Tiges need a coaching cleanout and need to take a massive look at the way they bring young players into the team. Until changes are made 2011 will seem a pipe dream in the end

You hit the nail right on the head. And is the explanation of why Tambling and JON are currently playing poor footy while Lance Franklin is looking likely to get an AA guernsey this year.

Until something is done to get some weight on these players they will continue to be pushed around like dolls.

The football world should thank its lucky stars we didnt go for Lance Franklin, he'd probably right now be anerexic in hospital.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

but in general the truth - I think so anyway - is that our youngsters are as good and able as any but just don't seem to develop whilst in or near the starting line up. Why?

No I don't think so. Don't think your youngsters are as good. They're almost anonymous. Make no mistake Greg Miller has a lot to answer for. Thinks he's some kind of guru yet has completely botched it up at Richmond. This man has made his name purely on getting Carey and Longmire from under Sydney's noses. He has achieved nothing else in football. An off-the-street football fan with a strong knowledge in football could do as good a job as Miller.

If the Bombers let Sheedy go, the Tigers should jump at the chance to grab him, even if just for 2-3 years to sought the place out.

Have they learnt nothing at Tigerland in the last 27 barren years???!!

 

[richmond fanatic]

Embers I agree with you 100%, and unfortunately I cant find an answer as to why guys like Rosa, Nathan Jones, all these solid midfielders have tons of definition. Then you look at our guys, and none of them have put on weight since they've been at the club. Is there a gym at Punt RD?

Others teams bully us on the field, we are just too skinny, getting pushed around all the time.

I dont think our terrible season, has anything to do with player talent, becuase its sooo obvious our young kids have got lots of it. Just go look at Coburg.

But your right Embers, and its been a problem of the clubs for a verrry long time.

 

[Embers]

Its more than just adding muscle. Rodan throws another thing into the mix here. He essentially is telling us he learnt nothing while down at Richmond. Anyone who goes to Richmond training. Can you tell me what the players actually do?

Do the coaches talk to them at all or just give em a ball and tell them to kick it around or something? I really do like the Tiges. My 2nd team. Major changes to the coaching staff need to be made. Not in 2 years time. NOW!!!, Things are getting worse and worse at the club, not better. Tiges president actions over the next 3 months will shape Richmonds destiny for a loong time ahead

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Good post Embers.Like most Tiger supporters i cant put a finger on it why our kids either take along time to get beefed up or not at all.The only answer i can give you is hopefully once the redevelopment of Punt Rd is complete things may turn around.

 

[Embers]

Good post Embers.Like most Tiger supporters i cant put a finger on it why our kids either take along time to get beefed up or not at all.The only answer i can give you is hopefully once the redevelopment of Punt Rd is complete things may turn around.

Too much running could be a problem. I cant really judge as I dont see Tiges train but their is MASSIVE problems in the way they go about preparing the players. Clearly

 

[Palmer Stoat]

Dunno about that. The best player development system ain't gonna turn lead into gold. Maybe the Tiges aren't developing young players as well as some rival clubs, but that, in part, surely has to do with them not drafting the best talent in the first place. Poor recruiting and poor development aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Hirdsgun]

I don't think Richmond have had a decent big bodied midfielder since Matty Knights.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Too much running could be a problem. I cant really judge as I dont see Tiges train but their is MASSIVE problems in the way they go about preparing the players. Clearly

Before xmas the main focus is running and conditioning whereas after xmas the main focus is more of playing mini practice matches with the main focus ironically executing under pressure.A skill error meant either a lashing from Wallace or sprints.
This maybe where the problem is.We look great within our group and as shown when the real stuff arrives we are found wanting under pressure.So perhaps Terry & Co have to change things i dont know how or what but simply the current setup isnt working.

 

[dyer-17]

I don't think Richmond have had a decent big bodied midfielder since Matty Knights.

is that a joke? knighter was hardly a big body!

anyway who would belive rodan nayway

lets wait and see how he plays next yr, first ur is the easiest, he gunned his first yr 4 us, got comfy and end of story

same will happen at port


jarred oak nicholls, had no pre season what so ever due to unjury, he played a fantastic game yesterday. next yr after a full pre season he will make all eat their words

and i bet next yr by rnd 12 we will see the last of rodan


we have foley as a small mid, now i would rather foley in my team over rodant anyday

 

[Embers]

is that a joke? knighter was hardly a big body!

anyway who would belive rodan nayway

lets wait and see how he plays next yr, first ur is the easiest, he gunned his first yr 4 us, got comfy and end of story

same will happen at port


jarred oak nicholls, had no pre season what so ever due to unjury, he played a fantastic game yesterday. next yr after a full pre season he will make all eat their words

and i bet next yr by rnd 12 we will see the last of rodan


we have foley as a small mid, now i would rather foley in my team over rodant anyday

So JON had no pre season . Yet still didnt put on any muscle. That is just ridiculous. What did he do for 6 months if he wasnt in the gym adding weight?

 

[dyer-17]

Interesting comment David Rodan made the other day got me thinking. He came out and said he loves to go to training because he "learns something new every day". Now we can take this two ways. Either Port have the most fantastic super coaching team in world football who know everything. Or the more realistic outcome in that he really didnt learn that much about the game in his stay at Richmond.

Example no 2. Jarrod Oakley Nicholls. Comes to Richmond one of the skinniest blokes in the draft. Since hes been at Richmond he would be lucky to of put on 5kgs. How can a bloke like Robbie Warnock add 17kg+ yet a bloke like Oakley Nicholls at Richmond cannot add anytype of muscle definition. What about Brett Deledio. I actually think hes lost muscle since joining Richmond. Hes a good player but really in todays game how many superstars are not physically strong. Judd Cousins Kerr. All 3 are built like oxes and its a massive part of there game. Deledio is a twig. Will Thursfield. Spends 1 year out of the game. Comes back to the game a absolute twig. What the fricken hell was he doing for that one year. Surely he should of been at the gym? Im serious what did he actually do...

Another interesting point is to look at what i rate as the Tiges best 3 players this season. Nathan Foley, Jake King, Graham Polak. All 3 came to Tigerland mature aged and physically built for AFL footy. Polak learnt his trade down at Freo and put it into practice at Richmond. King did it in the VFL for Coburg. Essentially their 3 best players for the season, none of them learnt the game or built themselves up at the Richmond footy club

Its very very easy to blame player recruiting. Greg Miller isnt paid 500k per year. Terry Wallace is. Its clear as day Wallace is the problem here. Miller is drafting athletes. Its not his fault Wallace cannot turn them into AFL footballers. Tiges need a coaching cleanout and need to take a massive look at the way they bring young players into the team. Until changes are made 2011 will seem a pipe dream in the end

this post shows u have no idea. delediop lost muscle since he started!!!! u r so stupid

btw, our players develop somewhat slower yes, i wonder why, one wonders how wce players develop so fast ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

when i saw deledio run off judd whilst bouncing the ball, they looked pretty much same size to me, just deledio was faster.

fancy judd being outrun by a twig

isnt woosha a pharmicist by proffession.............ahhhhhhhh that he is

 

[Hirdsgun]

is that a joke? knighter was hardly a big body!

anyway who would belive rodan nayway

lets wait and see how he plays next yr, first ur is the easiest, he gunned his first yr 4 us, got comfy and end of story

same will happen at port


jarred oak nicholls, had no pre season what so ever due to unjury, he played a fantastic game yesterday. next yr after a full pre season he will make all eat their words

and i bet next yr by rnd 12 we will see the last of rodan


we have foley as a small mid, now i would rather foley in my team over rodant anyday

So Richmond have never had a big body midfielder?

Ouch! no wonder Richmond have never done anything.

Ever since i started following AFL Richmond has always been a bottom side. I don't think i could ever picture Richmond being a power house team. It goes against everthing i seen in football.

 

[lou73]

Interesting comment David Rodan made the other day got me thinking. He came out and said he loves to go to training because he "learns something new every day". Now we can take this two ways. Either Port have the most fantastic super coaching team in world football who know everything. Or the more realistic outcome in that he really didnt learn that much about the game in his stay at Richmond.

Example no 2. Jarrod Oakley Nicholls. Comes to Richmond one of the skinniest blokes in the draft. Since hes been at Richmond he would be lucky to of put on 5kgs. How can a bloke like Robbie Warnock add 17kg+ yet a bloke like Oakley Nicholls at Richmond cannot add anytype of muscle definition. What about Brett Deledio. I actually think hes lost muscle since joining Richmond. Hes a good player but really in todays game how many superstars are not physically strong. Judd Cousins Kerr. All 3 are built like oxes and its a massive part of there game. Deledio is a twig. Will Thursfield. Spends 1 year out of the game. Comes back to the game a absolute twig. What the fricken hell was he doing for that one year. Surely he should of been at the gym? Im serious what did he actually do...

Another interesting point is to look at what i rate as the Tiges best 3 players this season. Nathan Foley, Jake King, Graham Polak. All 3 came to Tigerland mature aged and physically built for AFL footy. Polak learnt his trade down at Freo and put it into practice at Richmond. King did it in the VFL for Coburg. Essentially their 3 best players for the season, none of them learnt the game or built themselves up at the Richmond footy club

Its very very easy to blame player recruiting. Greg Miller isnt paid 500k per year. Terry Wallace is. Its clear as day Wallace is the problem here. Miller is drafting athletes. Its not his fault Wallace cannot turn them into AFL footballers. Tiges need a coaching cleanout and need to take a massive look at the way they bring young players into the team. Until changes are made 2011 will seem a pipe dream in the end

I don't think so Richmond have stuffed up big pick time with they're recruiting and Carlton are not to far behind.

We all know about Roughead and Franklin. But what about pick 8 2005 JON
Mitch Clarke would be perfect at Richmond and last year Jack Reiwoldt he's a bit small for key position. James Sellar maybe of would of been a better choice.

 

[dyer-17]

comparing warnoch and oackley nicholls, once again, nichols was injured all preseason and could not do a thing, but he still gained some weight naturally!

if we are such a bad team why is it wce only juist beat such a effed up skinny team early on.

richmond are just young and inexperienced but they will develop fine

 

[dyer-17]

So Richmond have never had a big body midfielder?

Ouch! no wonder Richmond have never done anything.

Ever since i started following AFL Richmond has always been a bottom side. I don't think i could ever picture Richmond being a power house team. It goes against everthing i seen in football.

yes the tigers have not beenm successful in the past 25 odd years
so what

and you think the aging bombers are in gr8 shape lol

u have won most games by luck this yr, and i doubt u wuill win another game this yr, ur luck has run out

now the tigers wont either, cos we are tanking just like essendon did last yr, but the diference is, our list is young, yours is full of son to be pensioners!

 

[richmond fanatic]

I don't think so Richmond have stuffed up big pick time with they're recruiting and Carlton are not to far behind.

We all know about Roughead and Franklin. But what about pick 8 2005 JON
Mitch Clarke would be perfect at Richmond and last year Jack Reiwoldt he's a bit small for key position. James Sellar maybe of would of been a better choice.

lol, have you seen Jack play?

 

[Embers]

lol, have you seen Jack play?

I like the look of Jack. Hes one of the exceptions in he looks to be physically developing and seems a fairly smart player. Im sure playing VFL most of last year helped in that process

 

[GO EAGLES]

tigers are going for the night club body type with nice hair and not the footy body type.