WSYD The Sydney Celtics

[Bouvet_Island]

I've been away for a few days so can only now respond by misspelling the name Glascgow 4times in a row I made it a repeditive typo and as previous said the City name was added to help people.

No, a typo is accidentally hitting the wrong key, or keys in the wrong order - everyone does it now and theb (sic).

Consistently spelling the same word in the same incorrect manner 4 times in a row implies you honestly don't know how to spell the word.

Oh, and you spelt it wrong again (albeit differently to your previous misspellings) in your last post.


But never mind that, I'm sure you're a huuuuuge fan of that team from Glascow... I mean... Glascgow... I mean... oh whatever, I'm sure you are big fan

 

[zero]

so it was all a fanciful idea never really considered.

fair enough, that makes sense.

roll on the western sydney wolves (or whatever)

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

As I said in my only post in this thread it was a stupid idea. I can't believe how many people backed the merit of the idea. But I guess it's easier to contemplate pissing other peoples money up against the wall than your own.

 

[Saint77]

You need an English lesson to fully grasp the term 'racist'.

Irish is not a race.

If anything, it is bigotry, not racism.

And its not even bigotry.

Your statement is racist.

The majority of the Irish people around the world have bloodlines from the Gaelic Celtic race. When we talk about Irish we are generally talking about the Gaelic Celts of this world whose ancestors hale from Ireland.

We are not talking about Irish citizenship which you seem to be. There are over 60,000 Chinese in Ireland and they are Irish, but they are not part of the Irish race.

Bigotry is intolerance toward those of different creeds or religious affiliations.

The British have historically mistreated the Irish people; they have tried to destroy their culture, language, religion, and customs for over 700 years. Only 150 years go there were articles written by the British stating that the Irish Celtic race were far more inferior to the British Anglo-Saxon race. The articles even have references that the Irish have more characteristics towards monkeys than all other European races. They have gone as far to say that they are the missing link between man and ape. And it is from these British articles that Irish jokes developed.

You are obviously racist towards the Irish people in stating that they are not a race.
The Irish dispora of this world have have done many great things; people such as Neil Armstrong, John F. Kennedy, John Lennon, and Che Guevara.

And it is you who has done nothing except give me the shits today!

 

[cos789]

But I guess it's easier to contemplate pissing other peoples money up against the wall than your own.

Finally . You get it .
That's why it's such a good idea .
Whether it stands up to intense scrutiny is another thing .
.

 

[Pessimistic]

Your statement is racist.

The majority of the Irish people around the world have bloodlines from the Gaelic Celtic race. When we talk about Irish we are generally talking about the Gaelic Celts of this world whose ancestors hale from Ireland.

We are not talking about Irish citizenship which you seem to be. There are over 60,000 Chinese in Ireland and they are Irish, but they are not part of the Irish race.

Bigotry is intolerance toward those of different creeds or religious affiliations.

The British have historically mistreated the Irish people; they have tried to destroy their culture, language, religion, and customs for over 700 years. Only 150 years go there were articles written by the British stating that the Irish Celtic race were far more inferior to the British Anglo-Saxon race. The articles even have references that the Irish have more characteristics towards monkeys than all other European races. They have gone as far to say that they are the missing link between man and ape. And it is from these British articles that Irish jokes developed.

You are obviously racist towards the Irish people in stating that they are not a race.
The Irish dispora of this world have have done many great things; people such as Neil Armstrong, John F. Kennedy, John Lennon, and Che Guevara.

And it is you who has done nothing except give me the shits today!

In Ireland they have 'Irish Jokes" but its "the man from Kerry"

Every country has Irish Jokes - they just use a different group.

Kiwi or Abbo ring a bell ?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Finally . You get it .
That's why it's such a good idea .
Whether it stands up to intense scrutiny is another thing .
.

No good, ideas are good on paper an in practice. This was stupid on both counts.

 

[1903]

No good, ideas are good on paper an in practice. This was stupid on both counts.

In your opinion .
.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Even the AFL woke up.

 

[Shinboner Schem]

Good idea in principle, but i doubt it will captivate the locals

Did anyone post a population breakdown in any of the 18 pages?

Lets take the Boston Celtics as a successful case study... (with Wikipedia as a resource)
Boston: "People of Irish descent form the largest single ethnic group in the city, making up 15.8% of the population, followed by Italians, accounting for 8.3% of the population."
Sydney: Ranking the ethnicity of those born overseas see Irish 23rd, just below Maltese.
And in the Blacktown area, there is no dominant ethnicity - the nearest being Vietnames in the Cabramatta area.

Based on this information, I don't think the idea will fly.

 

[Beckers]

Even the AFL woke up.

Who says the AFL and media don't read Big Footy?

 

[Saint77]

Good idea in principle, but i doubt it will captivate the locals

Did anyone post a population breakdown in any of the 18 pages?

Lets take the Boston Celtics as a successful case study... (with Wikipedia as a resource)
Boston: "People of Irish descent form the largest single ethnic group in the city, making up 15.8% of the population, followed by Italians, accounting for 8.3% of the population."
Sydney: Ranking the ethnicity of those born overseas see Irish 23rd, just below Maltese.
And in the Blacktown area, there is no dominant ethnicity - the nearest being Vietnames in the Cabramatta area.

Based on this information, I don't think the idea will fly.

If the new Sydney club is going to be named the Celtics, it will not matter the slightest of where they are based. The majority of the clubs supporters we be in the wider Sydney area, Melbourne and overseas, and they will make up a huge number. For example most of Glasgow Celtic's supporters hail from the USA and Ireland. In fact there is over 1000 supporter clubs for Celtic in the US.

Melbourne has 34% Irish descent in its population, the state of Victoria has over 40%. There is a good chance that most of the clubs supporters will be located in Victoria. And there will be a fair few who will be switching clubs for this new Celtic club.

Did you know that only a small percentage of Collingwood's, St.Kilda's, Richmond's, Hawthorn's,.. etc, supporters actually live in these areas for these teams?

The Celtic name is huge and where they are based will have no affect on getting supporters and members for the club.

 

[Fire]

If the new Sydney club is going to be named the Celtics, it will not matter the slightest of where they are based. The majority of the clubs supporters we be in the wider Sydney area, Melbourne and overseas, and they will make up a huge number. For example most of Glasgow Celtic's supporters hail from the USA and Ireland. In fact there is over 1000 supporter clubs for Celtic in the US.

Melbourne has 34% Irish descent in its population, the state of Victoria has over 40%. There is a good chance that most of the clubs supporters will be located in Victoria. And there will be a fair few who will be switching clubs for this new Celtic club.

Did you know that only a small percentage of Collingwood's, St.Kilda's, Richmond's, Hawthorn's,.. etc, supporters actually live in these areas for these teams?

The Celtic name is huge and where they are based will have no affect on getting supporters and members for the club.

Everything you say is stupid.

 

[Capone]

Melbourne has 34% Irish descent in its population, the state of Victoria has over 40%. There is a good chance that most of the clubs supporters will be located in Victoria. And there will be a fair few who will be switching clubs for this new Celtic club.

Why not just base the team in Victoria then. You don't get this 'expansion' malarky do you? I guess you don't need to normally due to the insular nature of the southern code. Look 'expansion' up one day though for all times sake

 

[Fire]

Why not just base the team in Victoria then. You don't get this 'expansion' malarky do you? I guess you don't need to normally due to the insular nature of the southern code. Look 'expansion' up one day though for all times sake

Oh good, you are still here. i was afraid you left.

Please respond to this post

 

[Cassio del Monte]

If the new Sydney club is going to be named the Celtics, it will not matter the slightest of where they are based. The majority of the clubs supporters we be in the wider Sydney area, Melbourne and overseas, and they will make up a huge number. For example most of Glasgow Celtic's supporters hail from the USA and Ireland. In fact there is over 1000 supporter clubs for Celtic in the US.

Celtic are the best supported club in the world. You might as well say that most of their supporters hail from Earth.

The Celtic name is huge and where they are based will have no affect on getting supporters and members for the club.

Except that "Sydney Celtics" isn't Celtic. It's a sad imitation of Celtic created by a league that nobody has heard of.

 

[fabulousphil]

Good idea in principle, but i doubt it will captivate the locals

Did anyone post a population breakdown in any of the 18 pages?

Lets take the Boston Celtics as a successful case study... (with Wikipedia as a resource)
Boston: "People of Irish descent form the largest single ethnic group in the city, making up 15.8% of the population, followed by Italians, accounting for 8.3% of the population."
Sydney: Ranking the ethnicity of those born overseas see Irish 23rd, just below Maltese.
And in the Blacktown area, there is no dominant ethnicity - the nearest being Vietnames in the Cabramatta area.

Based on this information, I don't think the idea will fly.

Big mistake ....

spot the difference.



People of irish descent in western sydney would be as many or more than Boston.

Irish convicts settled and built Sydneys west.

 

[emuboy]

I think the Sydney Celtics are a bad idea; AFL clubs should be for geographical areas not specific groups of people. It would be like resurrecting University; although there are plenty of AFL players who have their VCE and would be eligible to play, the idea would not work.

Something like the West Sydney Falcons or the West Sydney Wolves would be much better.

 

[Shinboner Schem]

Big mistake ....

spot the difference.



People of irish descent in western sydney would be as many or more than Boston.

Irish convicts settled and built Sydneys west.

yes i couldn't find exact stats (descent / born o/s)

but i think i made my point: calling the team the Celtics will not do a good job attracting the locals, and that is exactly what the AFL wants this team to do.

I would assume the concerntration of Irish wouldn't be as high as Boston

 

[cos789]

People of irish descent in western sydney would be as many or more than Boston.Irish convicts settled and built Sydneys west.

Whilst the Celtics idea is novel and has merit I don't see it as really
appealing to the WS and that is the target audience .
.

 

[Fire]

I'm of Irish (and Italian) descent on both sided of my family.

I don't consider myself remotely Irish. A Celtic team wouldn't appeal to me, and I doubt it would appeal to anyone like me. Doesn't mean I'd be turned off by the moniker though.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

I'm of Irish (and Italian) descent on both sided of my family.

I don't consider myself remotely Irish. A Celtic team wouldn't appeal to me, and I doubt it would appeal to anyone like me. Doesn't mean I'd be turned off by the moniker though.

You're underestimating the Irish Diaspora (forget the actual Irish, there's only about 6 million of them) of some 80 million people strong. The branding of something 'Celtic' definitely can't hurt. The Irish diaspora is renowned for rabid and fanatical following of sport.

 

[Black Falcon]

I think the Sydney Celtics are a bad idea; AFL clubs should be for geographical areas not specific groups of people. It would be like resurrecting University; although there are plenty of AFL players who have their VCE and would be eligible to play, the idea would not work.

Something like the West Sydney Falcons or the West Sydney Wolves would be much better.

Totally agree emuboy. West Sydney Falcons!

Has anyone suggested the Sydney Gaelics yet?

 

[fabulousphil]

yes i couldn't find exact stats (descent / born o/s)

but i think i made my point: calling the team the Celtics will not do a good job attracting the locals, and that is exactly what the AFL wants this team to do.

I would assume the concerntration of Irish wouldn't be as high as Boston

Irish descent in Australia as a % is about the highest in the world, (besides Ireland of course) most male convicts were in fact English with a minority being Irish but most female convicts were Irish and catholic.

Thus many male English convicts married female Irish convicts, this is one of the reasons why you see so many English surnames at catholic schools in OZ ..... because kids were bought up catholics because of their mothers religion.

Most people who have lived here for a couple of generations have a fair sprinkling of celtic blood, but most would not be able to tell you how much.

Three cities with more than their fair share of irish blood would be Hobart, Melbourne and Sydney.

 

[Shinboner Schem]

Got any data to back those comments up fabulousphil?

Just because the mothers imposed their religion, doesn't mean they have any celtic affinity. The female society back then was not as independant at the time