Rules The Tribunal: Hearing Room - Season 25

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

AngryRanga is also a defendant in this case as Bears co-captain.

Case outline edited

Just passed the good word through.

 

[KohPhi]

Dang..can't help but acknowledge the corn y'all.. it's guilty from me.. now it's time for some hog-killin and some whoopin and a'holarin..


(don't ever let me speak like that again)

 

[Wacky Tiger]

At face value a rather innocuous mishap. But if we could all just invent players to be in our team, and be let off without severe penance? Anarchy.
An example needs to be set.

Also Clod those are some darn amusing tabs.

Noted

Just let me go back and see how he voted for me

brb

Guilty

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

Noted

Guilty

I'm fond of anarchy, it was an endorsement.
Last time you'll find me kindly call you an innocuous mishap.

 

[Ant Bear]

Hey, Josh. Remember that time you made me spend 4 hours on an online jigsaw?

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

Hey, Josh. Remember that time you made me spend 4 hours on an online jigsaw?

Best time of your life. Also recall the complementary, free and heartfelt provision of avatar.
But I wouldn't want these gestures of friendship to cloud the fact that I've detailed a true inconsistency with the accusations again my co-captain and I.

 

[fitzroybowiedog]

What about the time D2D didn't fill out the form properly and signed with gumbies.

 

[Loonerty]

What about the time D2D didn't fill out the form properly and signed with gumbies.

I think they went through the full 24 hour period for that.

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

So he's running with the argument that he thought that returning players were different by quoting the rule which says they are treated the same??

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Ah, the gallery.

Let's trot through the piece again, shall we?

"The player must enter the team sign up thread and the same rules apply as if the delisted free agent were a new or returning player to the Sweet FA."

gym4life, as a returning player, did enter the team sign up thread as evidenced by their posting in it. This sentence does not mean (by execution - not necessarily design) that the same rules apply for a returning payer as if they were a new one. It means that for a delisted free agent, the same rules apply as if they were a new player, or as if they were a returning player. It is evident in this case which of those we consider here.

"New players will only be found to have nominated once they fill out the application form in the OP of the sign up thread and the 24 hour period is from the time this is posted."

Not a new player - not a relevant rule.

As for returning players? Find me with retiracy an instruction for this instance with which I have not complied, and I'll hang up my fiddle.
These are appreciable readings of the rules, no hornswoggle. Church is out, holler if you need me.

 

[Loonerty]

Ah, the gallery.

Let's trot through the piece again, shall we?

"The player must enter the team sign up thread and the same rules apply as if the delisted free agent were a new or returning player to the Sweet FA."

gym4life, as a returning player, did enter the team sign up thread as evidenced by their posting in it. This sentence does not mean (by execution - not necessarily design) that the same rules apply for a returning payer as if they were a new one. It means that for a delisted free agent, the same rules apply as if they were a new player, or as if they were a returning player. It is evident in this case which of those we consider here.

"New players will only be found to have nominated once they fill out the application form in the OP of the sign up thread and the 24 hour period is from the time this is posted."

Not a new player - not a relevant rule.

As for returning players? Find me with retiracy an instruction for this instance with which I have not complied, and I'll hang up my fiddle.
These are appreciable readings of the rules, no hornswoggle. Church is out, holler if you need me.

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He is, however, a new player to your team.

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

He is, however, a new player to your team.

a new or returning player to the Sweet FA

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

Give them the spoon!

Is this deal on offer?

 

[Wosh]

Throw the book at the prick

 

[Paddles_]

After further reconsideration on my own behalf, I have decided JoshWoodenSpoon has put forward valid points and should be acquitted of all charges. NOT GUILTY

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

Throw the book at the prick

Already read it, thanks.

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

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on my own behalf

 

[Ant Bear]

Personally, on face value the penalty seems too high, and I wonder if in the off-season this should not be downgraded to a warning penalty. It's not like the Bears named the ineligible player in their team before he went through the proper sign-up period: they merely added G4L to their squad.

However, if it is interpreted within the current rules to be a clearly mandated penalty for the prescribed offence, I don't suppose there's any other option than a one game suspension.

Unless...

Medium Impact (one match suspension for captains):
Incorrect positional changes.
Listing an ineligible player.

These penalties are listed under the Team Submission rules, Section 4A of the Rules; not under squad submission rules, i.e. Section 3 of the Rules (specifically 3A and 3C). There is no penalty mandated under the Squad Submission Rules for premature additions to the squad.

The only penalties mandated under squad submission rules are:

Squads also must contain a minimum of 23 players and a maximum of 27 players. It is the captain's duty to ensure that their squad meets this criteria. Captains will serve a suspension (set by the administrator) for games played without a correct squad.

Should a team be under the minimum squad list by squad submission they will be immediately docked four premiership points and will lose four points per each additional round under the squad requirements.

I would argue that the captain/s suspension is therefore NOT a mandated penalty under the rules, but was a penalty given by the administrator for an error in squad submission, and should be downgraded to a warning. If I was JoshWoodenSpoon

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

Personally, on face value the penalty seems too high, and I wonder if in the off-season this should not be downgraded to a warning penalty. It's not like the Bears named the ineligible player in their team before he went through the proper sign-up period: they merely added G4L to their squad.

However, if it is interpreted within the current rules to be a clearly mandated penalty for the prescribed offence, I don't suppose there's any other option than a one game suspension.

Unless...


These penalties are listed under the Team Submission rules, Section 4A of the Rules; not under squad submission rules, i.e. Section 3 of the Rules (specifically 3A and 3C). There is no penalty mandated under the Squad Submission Rules for premature additions to the squad.

The only penalties mandated under squad submission rules are:


I would argue that the captain/s suspension is therefore NOT a mandated penalty under the rules, but was a penalty given by the administrator for an error in squad submission, and should be downgraded to a warning. If I was JoshWoodenSpoon

Agreed, penalty should just be downgraded to just AngryRanga.

 

[AngryRanga]

Agreed, penalty should just be downgraded to just AngryRanga.

I am willing to accept a lifetime ban in return for JWS' freedom to play some irrelevant Round 4 matchup, thus ensuring that we lose.

Cloud_

 

[Ant Bear]

Cloud_, can you inform us if the penalty was purely your decision, or if you applied the penalties described in Section 4A?

 

[Kennedy Parker]

Cloud_, can you inform us if the penalty was purely your decision, or if you applied the penalties described in Section 4A?

4A, I ruled the proper process to list a player wasn't followed

 

[Ant Bear]

4A, I ruled the proper process to list a player wasn't followed

Section 4A is about Team Submission rules. Not Squad Submission rules.

Squad Submission rules are under Section 3.

 

[Kennedy Parker]

Section 4A is about Team Submission rules. Not Squad Submission rules.

Squad Submission rules are under Section 3.

The squad represents the possible players that could be selected in a team at a given point in time, team submission is based atop squad submission. Hence, failure to submit a squad is a high impact team submission offense.

 

[Ant Bear]

The squad represents the possible players that could be selected in a team at a given point in time, team submission is based atop squad submission. Hence, failure to submit a squad is a high impact team submission offense.

*Medium impact
Gym4Life was not named in the Bear's team last week, though, so this is a Squad Submission offence under Section 3, of which they are certainly guilty. However, the argument that JoshWoodenSpoon should be using is against the penalty applied, which was applied under Team Submission rules in Section 4.

Over to you, Joshy. I'm not arguing on your behalf anymore.

 

[Ant Bear]

Bombers docked of 8 points and KohPhi misses 4 weeks

Threadban yourself.