VFL The VFL Thread Part II - [Wildcard Round (7 v 10) Melbourne v North Melbourne, Sunday 27 Aug, 2.45pm, Casey Fields]

[danj]

Do you mean U19s?

Was there both?

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

It's interesting in theory yes. But our 3-peat VFL alignment with North Ballarat didn't really translate to much at all.

Critical part is to look at which NMFC players are thriving in the VFL.

At a glance Phillips, Hansen Jr, Bergman and Goater were the North listed players whose performances yesterday offer carryover into our 2024+ senior side.

That was only a partial alignment. Half of our players were listed with North Ballarat and the other half with Tasmania initially, and later, with Werribee. For that reason, North Ballarat had to recruit very good players of their own and that's what formed the backbone of the three-peat, not so much the North Melbourne listed players.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Was there both?

There was an Under 19s comp (in addition to reserves) up until 1991. We won Under 19s premierships in 84, 87, 88, 90, and 91. There's the basis of your 90s AFL team.

 

[King Corey]

That was only a partial alignment. Half of our players were listed with North Ballarat and the other half with Tasmania initially, and later, with Werribee. For that reason, North Ballarat had to recruit very good players of their own and that's what formed the backbone of the three-peat, not so much the North Melbourne listed players.

I know but still hoped (expected?) more carryover of such a strong VFL showing from a team that held half our reserves. That said..

..about a 50/50 split between VFL success and some form of future tangible AFL success (below). Have been kind in terms of assessing "future achievements". Went with the assumption of seeing demonstrated success within 5 years of a VFL flag.

The North Melbourne U19s powerhouse that became the Team of the 90s (as you well know) cannot be directly related to the current AFL-VFL setup.

Year	VFL Premier	Future Achievement
2008​	North Ballarat (partial align)
2009​	North Ballarat (partial align)	2014-15 prelims
2010​	North Ballarat (partial align)	2014-15 prelims
2011​	Port Melbourne (16)
2012​	Geelong reserves (3)
2013​	Box Hill (2)	2013-15 premiers
2014​	Footscray reserves	2016 premiers
2015​	Williamstown (14)
2016​	Footscray reserves (2)	2021 GF
2017​	Port Melbourne (17)
2018​	Box Hill (3)
2019​	Richmond reserves	2020 premiers
2020​	Season not contested due to COVID-19 pandemic in Victoria
2021​	Finals series not contested and premiership not awarded due to COVID-19 pandemic in Victoria
2022​	Casey Demons (6)

 

[The Nostradamus]

Bit annoying that we have overlap between vfl and afl game on sunday

Get the first half of vfl then afl game starts

 

[Twangler]

Bit annoying that we have overlap between vfl and afl game on sunday

Get the first half of vfl then afl game starts

That’s nothing new, they’ve managed to orchestrate it so it just happens like that just about every week!

 

[giantroo]

Geelong v North Melbourne​

9 Will Phillips (NM)
6 Daniel Capiron (GEEL)
5 Tyler Sellers (NM)
3 Ben Cunnington

10

Ben Cunnington

Age

33

Ht

185cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.4

5star

K

9.0

3star

HB

12.4

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

5.6

5star

D

17.7

4star

K

6.0

2star

HB

11.7

5star

M

2.0

2star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.0

5star

D

15.8

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

9.4

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

3.0

5star

(NM)
3 Ben Davis

40

Ben Davis

Age

27

Ht

189cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.0

1star

K

3.5

1star

HB

2.5

2star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.5

3star

MG

169.0

3star

D

5.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.0

3star

MG

169.0

3star

D

6.0

2star

K

3.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.5

4star

MG

169.0

3star

(NM)
2 Jye Chalcraft (GEEL)
2 Josh Goater (NM)

VFL R16 coaches' votes: Young mid tops count

Will Phillips has earned nine votes after his impressive performance in the midfield against the Cats on Sunday night

www.nmfc.com.au

 

[Merlin007]

Geelong v North Melbourne​

9 Will Phillips (NM)
6 Daniel Capiron (GEEL)
5 Tyler Sellers (NM)
3 Ben Cunnington (NM)
3 Ben Davis (NM)
2 Jye Chalcraft (GEEL)
2 Josh Goater (NM)

VFL R16 coaches' votes: Young mid tops count

Will Phillips has earned nine votes after his impressive performance in the midfield against the Cats on Sunday night

www.nmfc.com.au

Phillips a no-brainer; Miller Bergmann stiff imo

roos_fanatic08 flew the kite for Sellers to go on the rookie list, which certainly has merit; the other one I really like is Davis - smooth mover

 

[King Corey]

I like Sellers in the VFL but not sure about him for AFL. Kicking dicey and seems a bit undersized/underpowered for the role at that level.

 

[Merlin007]

I like Sellers in the VFL but not sure about him for AFL. Kicking dicey and seems a bit undersized/underpowered for the role at that level.

The critique has merit, esp. his set shot which can be flakey. On the other hand, he's a good contested mark and you'd think he'd improve in a full time environment (still only 20, I think?), and we've rookied worse. With exception of Ben Brown, we've seen some good players go from under our nose (Isaac Smith, Michael Barlow.....)

 

[muttley45]

Very nice goal assist by Spicer for Hansen's ? 3rd goal

 

[zoomba23]

Geelong v North Melbourne​

9 Will Phillips (NM)
6 Daniel Capiron (GEEL)
5 Tyler Sellers (NM)
3 Ben Cunnington (NM)
3 Ben Davis (NM)
2 Jye Chalcraft (GEEL)
2 Josh Goater (NM)

VFL R16 coaches' votes: Young mid tops count

Will Phillips has earned nine votes after his impressive performance in the midfield against the Cats on Sunday night

www.nmfc.com.au

Who's the biased campaigner in charge of Shlong's VFL? Voting his own player BOG in a six goal loss. The cheek of it

 

[King Corey]

Who's the biased campaigner in charge of Shlong's VFL? Voting his own player BOG in a six goal loss. The cheek of it

Actually Capiron received his votes for being the best Chris Scott impersonator on the field.

 

[DocSholl]

The critique has merit, esp. his set shot which can be flakey. On the other hand, he's a good contested mark and you'd think he'd improve in a full time environment (still only 20, I think?), and we've rookied worse. With exception of Ben Brown, we've seen some good players go from under our nose (Isaac Smith, Michael Barlow.....)

Good incentive to attract players to our vfl program too

 

[Lomas]

I like Sellers in the VFL but not sure about him for AFL. Kicking dicey and seems a bit undersized/underpowered for the role at that level.

It may be my rose tinted VFL glasses, watching them has been a highlight of the season, but he has bit that catches the eye.

 

[Lomas]

Who's the biased campaigner in charge of Shlong's VFL? Voting his own player BOG in a six goal loss. The cheek of it

Hird used to do it pretty often.

Edit: I just assumed he got confused between coaches votes and coach’s medal.

 

[hellas_johnny]

He's not as tall but still takes a good grab. Needs work on his kicking definitely knows how to get to the right spots

 

[hoffseason gains]

Sellers is 192cm but shows clear athleticism and overhead marking ability. Proven to be pretty dangerous on the lead too. Puts on pressure for a guy his size.
Think he needs to put on some size and work a bit on his goal kicking action.

Definitely worth a rookie shot in my opinion.

Over on the national draft thread we’re currently discussing the performances of two ~192cm forwards and the idea of picking them 2/17. Reckon Sellers at 20 despite his size might be worth a shot as a rookie in comparison to those two.

Then you take in to account the kid has never been in an elite performance environment before, has heaps of growth left in him I reckon. Would almost go as far as saying he’d have been playing against hawthorn this week had he been on our list.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Tough week against a good Box Hill side.

 

[giantroo]

Round 17 North Melbourne v Box Hill Hawks
Sunday 16 July 2023 12:05 PM (AEST)
Arden Street

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Tough week against a good Box Hill side.

probably going to pull 5-6 players out of the VFL side too.

 

[Mav]

Who's the biased campaigner in charge of Shlong's VFL? Voting his own player BOG in a six goal loss. The cheek of it

Maybe it was our coaches that didn’t give him best on!!

 

[The Nostradamus]

Lowson and butler apparently injured
Didn’t notice them have any issues playing out the game last week tbh

Experienced midfield Goldy cunners greenwood and Phillips
With laz also

 

[giantroo]

Sunday, July 16​

North Melbourne v Box Hill Hawks at Arden St Oval, 12.05pm AEST

B	A. Bonar (16)	K. Dawson (42)	B. Davis (50)
HB	J. Lienert (66)	A. Hall (43)	M. Bergman (27)
C	C. Downie (47)	C. Lazzaro (35)	K. Turner (28)
HF	R. Hansen (46)	J. Watkins (56)	H. Greenwood (18)
F	P. Spicer (36)	B. Drury (41)	J. Edwards (32)
R	T. Goldstein (22)	B. Cunnington (10)	W. Phillips (29)
INT	N. Stevens (55)	C. Smith (53)	J. McCormick (84)
	T. Sellers (62)	B. Bath (58)
23rd Player	J. McCormick (84)
EMG	B. Stevens (52)	A. Noblett (57)
INS	H. Greenwood (18)	C. Lazzaro (35)	C. Smith (53)
	B. Stevens (52)	B. Bath (58)	J. Lienert (66)
	J. McCormick (84)
OUTS	C. Taylor (17) - AFL	J. Goater (39) - AFL	J. Archer (37) - AFL
	D. Howe (38) - AFL	L. Butler (18) - injured	S. Lowson - injured
	T. O'Sullivan (80)

 

[hellas_johnny]

Good you see Nick Stevens back