The war against renewable energy
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Your Ignorance is strong.
Did you not see it over taken diesel trucks like they were standing still?
The amount of fuel savings makes them way more profitable than a ICE truck..
road trains? They’ll come.
Australian trucking giants to roll out another 54 electric heavy trucks and charging network
Two of Australia's biggest trucking groups land federal funds to roll out 54 electric trucks and build charging infrastructure to support them.
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Your activism is compelling.Your Ignorance is strong.
Did you not see it over taken diesel trucks like they were standing still?
The amount of fuel savings makes them way more profitable than a ICE truck..
road trains? They’ll come.
Australian trucking giants to roll out another 54 electric heavy trucks and charging network
Two of Australia's biggest trucking groups land federal funds to roll out 54 electric trucks and build charging infrastructure to support them.
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Join the ride … we are witnessing a massive shift in technology. Exciting times.
What you call activism I call mathematics…. The numbers just make sense
Just the Hume highway would need around 200MW of "firm" electricity to supply trucks.
That's the busiest road , but not the only road.
If you are correct the electricity for the trucks will keep coal going longer. Which is what i said earlier. We are putting the cart before the horse.
Then there are the logistics of charging all the trucks and the electricity infrastructure to the charging places.
Big charging stations for cars need 5000KVA transformers. Trucks will need more.
Some of the roadhouses in places like the Nullabor are actually "off grid ", massive task for them.
I'd suggest whoever is building such infrastructure won't be doing it for free.
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Have you looked at the energy consumption of these first generation trucks? The amount of savings in fuel costs will be extraordinary. Around 1kWh per kilometre…
The infrastructure will come because it makes financial sense, the fuel savings will pay it off fast.
Let’s say 100 kWh per 100km @15c KWh … $15
Diesel 30lites per 100km @$1.80= $54
Saving $40 per 100kmh
Mel to syd return saving $600.
Thats over $200k savings in fuel costs per truck per year.
Trucking depots will invest in their own infrastructure.
The Hume hwy is a perfect for large charging stations, it’s close to the solar farms and hydro stations with plenty of heavy industries already established. Space is plentiful…
45 minute truck stop will add close to 4-5 hours of range.
The transition won’t take as long as people think.
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Trucks and commercials operating working hours in residential areas should be an easier use cases….with the double advantage they no longer pollute residential areas
Like i said, they will take energy from the grid, faster than the grid is expanding, which means coal will stay longer.
The "big" solar farm near Glenrowan, isn't big enough to charge 1/4 of all the trucks on the Hume.
Hydro currently being used in Victoria, would all be consumed by the Hume trucks.
Then there are other roads.
I don't think you understand how trucking companies work either.
From what you say, you seem to think we should subsidize trucking companies, at the expense of existing electricity users. ( Since you are clearly giving them their electricity at wholesale price ).
Meanwhile a good part of the diesel fuel levy is used to pay for roads. ( A road that can take 50Tonne, costs a LOT more than a road that can take 4 Tonne).
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Diesel which australia is increasingly reliant upon as imports as we foolishly shut our own refineries down
Yep, Samsung has moved manufacturing to multiple countries which is what we to encourage for renewables rather than having one country as a sole source of a critical industry.
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Well your company gets power for 10c which is below wholesale… I used 15c.
Even at 30c it’s still cheaper.
We are currently subsidising fossil fuels!!!
The infrastructure is scale able and doesnt need to be built all at once.
Please explain what the subsidy for Diesel fuel is.
Diesel is taxed 50c a litre, supposedly to go towards road costs. ( It was more before the Ukrain war , but the gov took some of it out as prices skyrocketed ).
People who like to scream about subsidising fossil fuels, consider that waiving this tax for farmers, is subsidising the fuel company. They are wrong. Its clearly not.
Those smart people who make lists of subsidies rate the Fuel Tax Credit Scheme as the largest fossil fuel subsidy. All those doctorates and they are too stupid to realise its not a subsidy ( or more realistically they have their own agenda and no-one can publish stuff without an agenda these days ). It is a tax used for roads. Of course you could charge farmers the tax, but farmers aren't doing it easy, so then you'd need to subsidise them. ( Cue those with the green agenda bitching about subsidising the farting cows ).
( Miners also get fuel tax credits, because they have vehicles not used on public roads , IT'S A ROAD TAX ).
Another question mark is , in a future where there are significant electric vehicles on the road, how will the federal government fund roads?
The company i work for has a regular power connection, and certainly doesn't need a high rated special transformer.
Under such conditions the network charges would be huge.
Yes , we should focus on our Grid before worrying about road transport.
The electricity grid makes more black balloons.
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Levies are on the way for EVs.
One other thing that might hold back EV adoption is greed from insurance companies. EVs are already much more costly to insure. Adding a "fire risk" premium and you could be playing more that 10% of the car value annually in insurance.
Yep they add charges simply because they can.
I was shocked when they told me they were charging me more because my car was under finance. I'd paid it off 2 years previously ( and they gave me a refund ) it just never occurred to me to tell them, because i didn't think it would affect my insurance.
The only thing is, that if EV's become the norm, they can't really charge too much if they are competing with other insurance companies.
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What fire risk?
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Insurance companies gouging is a whole other subject.
Laughing at the new budget direct ad where they imply they will pay out for a meteor strike
Laughing at the new budget direct ad where they imply they will pay out for a meteor strike
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This one
Controlling fire risks in the EV race - Zurich Australia
Global electric vehicle (EV) sales continue to accelerate as the automotive industry races to meet ambitious climate targets. But with demand outpacing infrastructure development, fire risks related to lithium-ion batteries are emerging.
and this one
How to manage electric vehicle risks
Find out about the state of the EV market in Australia and the risks businesses and drivers need to manage.
and this one
Understanding electric vehicle fires: A comprehensive guide
Uptake of electric vehicles (EVs) is on the increase in Australia, offering a sustainable alternative to internal combustion engine vehicles. As with any technology, EVs come with their own set of challenges.
Doesn't matter what you or I think, these are insurance companies talking about fire risk associated with lithium batteries and they are the ones who decide on your premium.
You can disagree - just like you can about being in a supposed flood area, but no amount of arguing is going to change the mind of insurance companies.
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Controlling fire risks in the EV race - Zurich Australia
Global electric vehicle (EV) sales continue to accelerate as the automotive industry races to meet ambitious climate targets. But with demand outpacing infrastructure development, fire risks related to lithium-ion batteries are emerging.brokers.zurich.com.au
and this one
How to manage electric vehicle risks
Find out about the state of the EV market in Australia and the risks businesses and drivers need to manage.www.qbe.com
and this one
Understanding electric vehicle fires: A comprehensive guide
Uptake of electric vehicles (EVs) is on the increase in Australia, offering a sustainable alternative to internal combustion engine vehicles. As with any technology, EVs come with their own set of challenges.www.mynrma.com.au
Doesn't matter what you or I think, these are insurance companies talking about fire risk associated with lithium batteries and they are the ones who decide on your premium.
You can disagree - just like you can about being in a supposed flood area, but no amount of arguing is going to change the mind of insurance companies.
Well ICE cars are 20 times more likely to catch on fire than EVs .. that’s not what I think that’s fact.
So it’s purely insurance companies profiteering… is anyone surprised?
As of June 2024, there have been 6 verified electric vehicle (EV) battery fires in Australia since 2010:
- One was caused by arson
- One was caused by a crash
- One was caused by road debris penetrating the battery
- Three were caused by an external fire unrelated to the vehicle
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They burn hotter… but to say that a ICE car on fire is less dangerous is pure BS…. As you would know.
And I’m sorry I made a mistake.. Ice Cars aren’t 20 times more likely to catch on fire but 80 times more likely.
What’s the next myth want to bring up?
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“A study by Germany’s Fraunhofer Institute shows how electric vehicles (EVs) could double as home storage batteries using bidirectional charging.
Most EVs in Germany are driven for just 1 hour daily, leaving 23 hours of idle time. During this downtime, EVs could stabilize energy grids by storing and sharing power when demand peaks.
This strategy could boost solar and wind energy use, as EVs could store excess daytime energy and release it at night. The study estimates EVs could cover 9% of the EU’s energy needs—or up to 20% in ideal conditions.
For individual EV owners, this could mean annual savings of €31 to €780 by sharing stored energy with their home or the grid.”
what would I know…
Most EVs in Germany are driven for just 1 hour daily, leaving 23 hours of idle time. During this downtime, EVs could stabilize energy grids by storing and sharing power when demand peaks.
This strategy could boost solar and wind energy use, as EVs could store excess daytime energy and release it at night. The study estimates EVs could cover 9% of the EU’s energy needs—or up to 20% in ideal conditions.
For individual EV owners, this could mean annual savings of €31 to €780 by sharing stored energy with their home or the grid.”
what would I know…
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What’s you usage during peak periods? And what do you pay?
Let’s say 6kwh @.50c … $3 a day …, $1000 year.
But that really wasn’t the the point of the post… 20% of the grid can be covered by EV batteries..
